OK, so ive been MTBing for a long time and thought I knew the reasons and solutions for this but as I dont I'm returning here to see if anyone has anything to say that might spring a new thought in my head...
Giant NRS ('04) with Z1 (100mm) coil oil. Running an oldschool ritchey megabite up front and a tioga factory DH rear but have run everything from mudmad DHs to unknown copies of copies. I find I keep wiping out the front end, even on what seems to me to be tame terrain. I've come from a bike with 5 inches of boing either end and was used to nailing it over just about anything without trouble, but I found i couldnt ride it UP anything lol. So now im a little perplexed - Ive tried numerous tyres and the mudmad DH's were the best for grip in most situations, but a tad on the heavy side. I find that if i run lightweight tyres at lowish pressures I get lots of sidewall flop and it feels squirrelly and orrible, if I run them at high pressures I might as well be on ice. Ive tried shifting my weight forwards and rearwards in corners, though I naturally tend to go rearwards as the old boinger nailed corners like it was on rails no matter what.
Any tips on keeping the front from washing out at high speeds and on sharpish corners? Is my front fork still too much boing at 100mm for a 2004 NRS? The head angle seems a little shallow for a meanie XC machiney.
OK, so ive been MTBing for a long time and thought I knew the reasons and solutions for this but as I dont I'm returning here to see if anyone has anything to say that might spring a new thought in my head...
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Giant NRS ('04) with Z1 (100mm) coil oil. Running an oldschool ritchey megabite up front and a tioga factory DH rear but have run everything from mudmad DHs to unknown copies of copies. I find I keep wiping out the front end, even on what seems to me to be tame terrain. I've come from a bike with 5 inches of boing either end and was used to nailing it over just about anything without trouble, but I found i couldnt ride it UP anything lol. So now im a little perplexed - Ive tried numerous tyres and the mudmad DH's were the best for grip in most situations, but a tad on the heavy side. I find that if i run lightweight tyres at lowish pressures I get lots of sidewall flop and it feels squirrelly and orrible, if I run them at high pressures I might as well be on ice. Ive tried shifting my weight forwards and rearwards in corners, though I naturally tend to go rearwards as the old boinger nailed corners like it was on rails no matter what.
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Any tips on keeping the front from washing out at high speeds and on sharpish corners? Is my front fork still too much boing at 100mm for a 2004 NRS? The head angle seems a little shallow for a meanie XC machiney.
2.5 continental diesel, though heavy (stupid me bought the wire bead), it doesn't wash out. Gary- Hide quoted text -
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Yeah, the 2.3 mudmads are good for not washing out, but i find them similar to accelerating a tank with a 50cc engine - they make the bike feel unresponsive. I know its a trade-off but i was wondering if i was doing something more fundamentally wrong technique wise or bike setup- wise maybe?
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OK, so ive been MTBing for a long time and thought I knew the reasons and solutions for this but as I dont I'm returning here to see if anyone has anything to say that might spring a new thought in my head...
Giant NRS ('04) with Z1 (100mm) coil oil. Running an oldschool ritchey megabite up front and a tioga factory DH rear but have run everything from mudmad DHs to unknown copies of copies. I find I keep wiping out the front end, even on what seems to me to be tame terrain. I've come from a bike with 5 inches of boing either end and was used to nailing it over just about anything without trouble, but I found i couldnt ride it UP anything lol. So now im a little perplexed - Ive tried numerous tyres and the mudmad DH's were the best for grip in most situations, but a tad on the heavy side. I find that if i run lightweight tyres at lowish pressures I get lots of sidewall flop and it feels squirrelly and orrible, if I run them at high pressures I might as well be on ice. Ive tried shifting my weight forwards and rearwards in corners, though I naturally tend to go rearwards as the old boinger nailed corners like it was on rails no matter what.
Any tips on keeping the front from washing out at high speeds and on sharpish corners? Is my front fork still too much boing at 100mm for a 2004 NRS? The head angle seems a little shallow for a meanie XC machiney.
2.5 continental diesel, though heavy (stupid me bought the wire bead), it doesn't wash out. Gary
OK, so ive been MTBing for a long time and thought I knew the reasons and solutions for this but as I dont I'm returning here to see if anyone has anything to say that might spring a new thought in my head...
Giant NRS ('04) with Z1 (100mm) coil oil. Running an oldschool ritchey megabite up front and a tioga factory DH rear but have run everything from mudmad DHs to unknown copies of copies. I find I keep wiping out the front end, even on what seems to me to be tame terrain. I've come from a bike with 5 inches of boing either end and was used to nailing it over just about anything without trouble, but I found i couldnt ride it UP anything lol. So now im a little perplexed - Ive tried numerous tyres and the mudmad DH's were the best for grip in most situations, but a tad on the heavy side. I find that if i run lightweight tyres at lowish pressures I get lots of sidewall flop and it feels squirrelly and orrible, if I run them at high pressures I might as well be on ice. Ive tried shifting my weight forwards and rearwards in corners, though I naturally tend to go rearwards as the old boinger nailed corners like it was on rails no matter what.
Any tips on keeping the front from washing out at high speeds and on sharpish corners? Is my front fork still too much boing at 100mm for a 2004 NRS? The head angle seems a little shallow for a meanie XC machiney.
Have you messed with damping and spring rates in your fork? If compression is too fast (too low spring rate and/or too little compression damping) the front end won't stay hooked up. Too rigid will launch you off the smallest bumps too. Complicated but worth messing with.
OK, so ive been MTBing for a long time and thought I knew the reasons and solutions for this but as I dont I'm returning here to see if anyone has anything to say that might spring a new thought in my head...
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Giant NRS ('04) with Z1 (100mm) coil oil. Running an oldschool ritchey megabite up front and a tioga factory DH rear but have run everything from mudmad DHs to unknown copies of copies. I find I keep wiping out the front end, even on what seems to me to be tame terrain. I've come from a bike with 5 inches of boing either end and was used to nailing it over just about anything without trouble, but I found i couldnt ride it UP anything lol. So now im a little perplexed - Ive tried numerous tyres and the mudmad DH's were the best for grip in most situations, but a tad on the heavy side. I find that if i run lightweight tyres at lowish pressures I get lots of sidewall flop and it feels squirrelly and orrible, if I run them at high pressures I might as well be on ice. Ive tried shifting my weight forwards and rearwards in corners, though I naturally tend to go rearwards as the old boinger nailed corners like it was on rails no matter what.
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Any tips on keeping the front from washing out at high speeds and on sharpish corners? Is my front fork still too much boing at 100mm for a 2004 NRS? The head angle seems a little shallow for a meanie XC machiney.
Have you messed with damping and spring rates in your fork? If compression is too fast (too low spring rate and/or too little compression damping) the front end won't stay hooked up. Too rigid will launch you off the smallest bumps too. Complicated but worth messing with.
Shawn
I'm not sure im going fast enough in the majority of cases when this occurs, certainly will do a stripdown and rebuild again and have a go at setting it up properly again. I havent altered the fork since i had it on the long-travel setup and it was just fine then, the conversion to 100mm was done on the old frame and didnt seem to alter handling.
In message <[email hidden]>, coyoteboy <[email hidden]> writes
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OK, so ive been MTBing for a long time and thought I knew the reasons and solutions for this but as I dont I'm returning here to see if anyone has anything to say that might spring a new thought in my head...
Giant NRS ('04) with Z1 (100mm) coil oil. Running an oldschool ritchey megabite up front and a tioga factory DH rear but have run everything from mudmad DHs to unknown copies of copies. I find I keep wiping out the front end, even on what seems to me to be tame terrain. I've come from a bike with 5 inches of boing either end and was used to nailing it over just about anything without trouble, but I found i couldnt ride it UP anything lol. So now im a little perplexed - Ive tried numerous tyres and the mudmad DH's were the best for grip in most situations, but a tad on the heavy side. I find that if i run lightweight tyres at lowish pressures I get lots of sidewall flop and it feels squirrelly and orrible, if I run them at high pressures I might as well be on ice. Ive tried shifting my weight forwards and rearwards in corners, though I naturally tend to go rearwards as the old boinger nailed corners like it was on rails no matter what.
Any tips on keeping the front from washing out at high speeds and on sharpish corners? Is my front fork still too much boing at 100mm for a 2004 NRS? The head angle seems a little shallow for a meanie XC machiney.
Get a longer stem. -- Devs "Punchdown Pete the old Kroner"
OK, so ive been MTBing for a long time and thought I knew the reasons and solutions for this but as I dont I'm returning here to see if anyone has anything to say that might spring a new thought in my head...
Quoted message said:
Giant NRS ('04) with Z1 (100mm) coil oil. Running an oldschool ritchey megabite up front and a tioga factory DH rear but have run everything from mudmad DHs to unknown copies of copies. I find I keep wiping out the front end, even on what seems to me to be tame terrain. I've come from a bike with 5 inches of boing either end and was used to nailing it over just about anything without trouble, but I found i couldnt ride it UP anything lol. So now im a little perplexed - Ive tried numerous tyres and the mudmad DH's were the best for grip in most situations, but a tad on the heavy side. I find that if i run lightweight tyres at lowish pressures I get lots of sidewall flop and it feels squirrelly and orrible, if I run them at high pressures I might as well be on ice. Ive tried shifting my weight forwards and rearwards in corners, though I naturally tend to go rearwards as the old boinger nailed corners like it was on rails no matter what.
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Any tips on keeping the front from washing out at high speeds and on sharpish corners? Is my front fork still too much boing at 100mm for a 2004 NRS? The head angle seems a little shallow for a meanie XC machiney.
2.5 continental diesel, though heavy (stupid me bought the wire bead), it doesn't wash out.
I don't find the Diesel wire bead heavy at all for a 2.5. They are a touch too much tire for my Z100 because of my weight, but still a great tire.
In message <[email hidden]>, coyoteboy <[email hidden]> writes
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OK, so ive been MTBing for a long time and thought I knew the reasons and solutions for this but as I dont I'm returning here to see if anyone has anything to say that might spring a new thought in my head...
Quoted message said:
Giant NRS ('04) with Z1 (100mm) coil oil. Running an oldschool ritchey megabite up front and a tioga factory DH rear but have run everything from mudmad DHs to unknown copies of copies. I find I keep wiping out the front end, even on what seems to me to be tame terrain. I've come from a bike with 5 inches of boing either end and was used to nailing it over just about anything without trouble, but I found i couldnt ride it UP anything lol. So now im a little perplexed - Ive tried numerous tyres and the mudmad DH's were the best for grip in most situations, but a tad on the heavy side. I find that if i run lightweight tyres at lowish pressures I get lots of sidewall flop and it feels squirrelly and orrible, if I run them at high pressures I might as well be on ice. Ive tried shifting my weight forwards and rearwards in corners, though I naturally tend to go rearwards as the old boinger nailed corners like it was on rails no matter what.
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Any tips on keeping the front from washing out at high speeds and on sharpish corners? Is my front fork still too much boing at 100mm for a 2004 NRS? The head angle seems a little shallow for a meanie XC machiney.
Get a longer stem. -- Devs "Punchdown Pete the old Kroner"
Funny you should say that - i do actually have a shorter stem on than i used to have and have noticed a wheelie-ing problem up hills too.
PMSL 🙂 Frame is a 17.5 (medium) with a 6'1 rider - frame is more likely to be on the small side but is no different in size to the rest of my previous bikes. Frame has no sag, yet handles wonderfully - i prefer the hardtail-esque sprintyness that you just dont get with sag, yet other frames dont feel right with no sag lol. In fact i was originally thinking about going back to a hardtail but the NRS came up and i thought I'd take a chance - works nicely at the rear!
