A Day in the Life of a Fat Girl

(Maggie) said:

So, I watched. And I commented. The person is an obese woman.
With bad grammar and spelling. But that's besides the point.

What's really sad is the lack of hope. Or a plan. Or a spine. I'm
not sure which. The theme that runs through it is basically like this:
"I hate my life as an obese woman. But I hate contemplating any
change that might alter that condition. So, I'm gonna stick this
suckiness
out until the end. I might even off myself."

What is remarkable to me is that you cannot reasonably do
the same things, over and over again, and expect to get different
results.
I'm a low carber, but I'm not going to be sectarian about a change.
The
thing is, if you are miserable in your present state, then maybe you
want to
make changes.

Hollywood said:

(Maggie) said:

So, I watched. And I commented. The person is an obese woman.
With bad grammar and spelling. But that's besides the point.

What's really sad is the lack of hope. Or a plan. Or a spine. I'm
not sure which. The theme that runs through it is basically like this:
"I hate my life as an obese woman. But I hate contemplating any
change that might alter that condition. So, I'm gonna stick this
suckiness
out until the end. I might even off myself."

What is remarkable to me is that you cannot reasonably do
the same things, over and over again, and expect to get different
results.
I'm a low carber, but I'm not going to be sectarian about a change.
The
thing is, if you are miserable in your present state, then maybe you
want to
make changes.

Give the girl a break - she said she is going on 700 cals a day now, so
she IS trying.

However, that low an intake might cause her to keel over with
malnutrition. She should just eat 1000 cals less than she has been, cut
out the soft drinks/sugar foods and lose 2 lbs a week. It will be a long
time before she can get down to 700 cals safely. Rule of thumb would be
10 cals times current weight in lbs - 1000 = cals per day for a 2 lb a
week weightloss. [I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know -
but maybe she doesn't.]

If Maggie could walk a bit, carrying around that much weight would be
good exercise at first. The pumping iron is for later, when walking is
no longer challenging.

I think making a video is a great idea. And, unless the MD she saw had
detailed genetic testing done, he was lying to her to make her feel the
weight was not her fault. If he had the genetic testing done (not likely
as it is an expensive and complicated process,) then caloric restriction
is still the way to go for better health.

Rally around now and give the girl some useful support. Let's hear your
low carb advice.

Mal

Mal said:

Hollywood said:

(Maggie) said:

Quoted message said:

So, I watched. And I commented. The person is an obese woman.
With bad grammar and spelling. But that's besides the point.

Quoted message said:

What's really sad is the lack of hope. Or a plan. Or a spine. I'm
not sure which. The theme that runs through it is basically like this:
"I hate my life as an obese woman. But I hate contemplating any
change that might alter that condition. So, I'm gonna stick this
suckiness
out until the end. I might even off myself."

Quoted message said:

What is remarkable to me is that you cannot reasonably do
the same things, over and over again, and expect to get different
results.
I'm a low carber, but I'm not going to be sectarian about a change.
The
thing is, if you are miserable in your present state, then maybe you
want to
make changes.

Give the girl a break - she said she is going on 700 cals a day now, so
she IS trying.

However, that low an intake might cause her to keel over with
malnutrition. She should just eat 1000 cals less than she has been, cut
out the soft drinks/sugar foods and lose 2 lbs a week. It will be a long
time before she can get down to 700 cals safely. Rule of thumb would be
10 cals times current weight in lbs - 1000 = cals per day for a 2 lb a
week weightloss. [I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know -
but maybe she doesn't.]

If Maggie could walk a bit, carrying around that much weight would be
good exercise at first. The pumping iron is for later, when walking is
no longer challenging.

I think making a video is a great idea. And, unless the MD she saw had
detailed genetic testing done, he was lying to her to make her feel the
weight was not her fault. If he had the genetic testing done (not likely
as it is an expensive and complicated process,) then caloric restriction
is still the way to go for better health.

Rally around now and give the girl some useful support. Let's hear your
low carb advice.

So, I do protein power, not Atkins (not that there's a huge
difference, but, well).
My advice for her, based on the video and that's all:
1- Don't worry about calories. Without measuring everything or eating
processed
center aisle foods, you aren't counting accurately.

2- She noted that she drinks a lot of pop and juice. Dump it.
Immediately. Drink
some diet pop, but the juice is of, well, not much use, particularly
if she's
insulin resistant, like a lot of folks who are in her situation are.

3- Figure out how much protein she should have, using one of the
Eades' charts.
The one in Protein Power Life Plan is very simple. Then, make sure you
get
at least that amount.

4- Buy a book (protein power life plan is the best imho, but that's
only mho). Read
the book. Follow it like it's your fantasy football team and you have
no prospects for
company among members of the opposite sex.

I suppose we could sum up the book as:
1- Follow directions.
2- Eat until satisfied, not full. Learn the difference.
3- Take your vitamins and supplements.
4- Exercise somewhat.
On the exercise, I think there's a ladder, like Maslow's hierarchy. If
you are couch bound,
walking a little is good. If you are walking a little, walking more is
probably good. If you
are walking a lot, you might look at lifting some weights or jogging.
If you're at that level,
add some weight or some sophistication. The key thing is, move up to a
level that's
useful to you and sustainable by you.

Calorie restriction to ~600kcal/day is probably a quick route to
frustration, hunger,
and everything that comes with that. Never mind sustainability and
recidivism rates.

Again, I didn't want to get sectarian. I think there's stuff we can
all agree on, like
stick with a plan
get your vitamins and other nutrients
cut free, loose sugar
Move around more than you are currently.

I'd also add that she might want to look into talking to a doc about
treating what seems, to
a casual observer, to be a fairly deep clinical depression.

Hollywood said:

Mal said:

Hollywood said:

On Aug 25, 10:17 am, [email hidden] (Maggie) wrote:
>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, I watched. And I commented. The person is an obese woman.
With bad grammar and spelling. But that's besides the point.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What's really sad is the lack of hope. Or a plan. Or a spine. I'm
not sure which. The theme that runs through it is basically like this:
"I hate my life as an obese woman. But I hate contemplating any
change that might alter that condition. So, I'm gonna stick this
suckiness
out until the end. I might even off myself."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is remarkable to me is that you cannot reasonably do
the same things, over and over again, and expect to get different
results.
I'm a low carber, but I'm not going to be sectarian about a change.
The
thing is, if you are miserable in your present state, then maybe you
want to
make changes.

Quoted message said:

Give the girl a break - she said she is going on 700 cals a day now, so
she IS trying.

Quoted message said:

However, that low an intake might cause her to keel over with
malnutrition. She should just eat 1000 cals less than she has been, cut
out the soft drinks/sugar foods and lose 2 lbs a week. It will be a long
time before she can get down to 700 cals safely. Rule of thumb would be
10 cals times current weight in lbs - 1000 = cals per day for a 2 lb a
week weightloss. [I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know -
but maybe she doesn't.]

Quoted message said:

If Maggie could walk a bit, carrying around that much weight would be
good exercise at first. The pumping iron is for later, when walking is
no longer challenging.

Quoted message said:

I think making a video is a great idea. And, unless the MD she saw had
detailed genetic testing done, he was lying to her to make her feel the
weight was not her fault. If he had the genetic testing done (not likely
as it is an expensive and complicated process,) then caloric restriction
is still the way to go for better health.

Quoted message said:

Rally around now and give the girl some useful support. Let's hear your
low carb advice.

So, I do protein power, not Atkins (not that there's a huge
difference, but, well).
My advice for her, based on the video and that's all:
1- Don't worry about calories. Without measuring everything or eating
processed
center aisle foods, you aren't counting accurately.

2- She noted that she drinks a lot of pop and juice. Dump it.
Immediately. Drink
some diet pop, but the juice is of, well, not much use, particularly
if she's
insulin resistant, like a lot of folks who are in her situation are.

3- Figure out how much protein she should have, using one of the
Eades' charts.
The one in Protein Power Life Plan is very simple. Then, make sure you
get
at least that amount.

4- Buy a book (protein power life plan is the best imho, but that's
only mho). Read
the book. Follow it like it's your fantasy football team and you have
no prospects for
company among members of the opposite sex.

I suppose we could sum up the book as:
1- Follow directions.
2- Eat until satisfied, not full. Learn the difference.
3- Take your vitamins and supplements.
4- Exercise somewhat.
On the exercise, I think there's a ladder, like Maslow's hierarchy. If
you are couch bound,
walking a little is good. If you are walking a little, walking more is
probably good. If you
are walking a lot, you might look at lifting some weights or jogging.
If you're at that level,
add some weight or some sophistication. The key thing is, move up to a
level that's
useful to you and sustainable by you.

Calorie restriction to ~600kcal/day is probably a quick route to
frustration, hunger,
and everything that comes with that. Never mind sustainability and
recidivism rates.

Again, I didn't want to get sectarian. I think there's stuff we can
all agree on, like
stick with a plan
get your vitamins and other nutrients
cut free, loose sugar
Move around more than you are currently.

I'd also add that she might want to look into talking to a doc about
treating what seems, to
a casual observer, to be a fairly deep clinical depression.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I added comments as well.

Three words - ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin.

It worked for me.

It give you energy, it suppresses hunger, it helps you burn fat while
sparing lean muscle mass.

Yeah, there is some small danger if you have certain medical
conditions or go crazy overdosing on it but being overweight has risks
as well

and yes, lol, she really should have used a spellchecker.

Hollywood said:

Mal said:

Hollywood said:

On Aug 25, 10:17 am, [email hidden] (Maggie) wrote:
>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, I watched. And I commented. The person is an obese woman.
With bad grammar and spelling. But that's besides the point.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What's really sad is the lack of hope. Or a plan. Or a spine. I'm
not sure which. The theme that runs through it is basically like this:
"I hate my life as an obese woman. But I hate contemplating any
change that might alter that condition. So, I'm gonna stick this
suckiness
out until the end. I might even off myself."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is remarkable to me is that you cannot reasonably do
the same things, over and over again, and expect to get different
results.
I'm a low carber, but I'm not going to be sectarian about a change.
The
thing is, if you are miserable in your present state, then maybe you
want to
make changes.

Quoted message said:

Give the girl a break - she said she is going on 700 cals a day now, so
she IS trying.

Quoted message said:

However, that low an intake might cause her to keel over with
malnutrition. She should just eat 1000 cals less than she has been, cut
out the soft drinks/sugar foods and lose 2 lbs a week. It will be a long
time before she can get down to 700 cals safely. Rule of thumb would be
10 cals times current weight in lbs - 1000 = cals per day for a 2 lb a
week weightloss. [I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know -
but maybe she doesn't.]

Quoted message said:

If Maggie could walk a bit, carrying around that much weight would be
good exercise at first. The pumping iron is for later, when walking is
no longer challenging.

Quoted message said:

I think making a video is a great idea. And, unless the MD she saw had
detailed genetic testing done, he was lying to her to make her feel the
weight was not her fault. If he had the genetic testing done (not likely
as it is an expensive and complicated process,) then caloric restriction
is still the way to go for better health.

Quoted message said:

Rally around now and give the girl some useful support. Let's hear your
low carb advice.

So, I do protein power, not Atkins (not that there's a huge
difference, but, well).
My advice for her, based on the video and that's all:
1- Don't worry about calories. Without measuring everything or eating
processed
center aisle foods, you aren't counting accurately.

2- She noted that she drinks a lot of pop and juice. Dump it.
Immediately. Drink
some diet pop, but the juice is of, well, not much use, particularly
if she's
insulin resistant, like a lot of folks who are in her situation are.

3- Figure out how much protein she should have, using one of the
Eades' charts.
The one in Protein Power Life Plan is very simple. Then, make sure you
get
at least that amount.

4- Buy a book (protein power life plan is the best imho, but that's
only mho). Read
the book. Follow it like it's your fantasy football team and you have
no prospects for
company among members of the opposite sex.

I suppose we could sum up the book as:
1- Follow directions.
2- Eat until satisfied, not full. Learn the difference.
3- Take your vitamins and supplements.
4- Exercise somewhat.
On the exercise, I think there's a ladder, like Maslow's hierarchy. If
you are couch bound,
walking a little is good. If you are walking a little, walking more is
probably good. If you
are walking a lot, you might look at lifting some weights or jogging.
If you're at that level,
add some weight or some sophistication. The key thing is, move up to a
level that's
useful to you and sustainable by you.

Calorie restriction to ~600kcal/day is probably a quick route to
frustration, hunger,
and everything that comes with that. Never mind sustainability and
recidivism rates.

Again, I didn't want to get sectarian. I think there's stuff we can
all agree on, like
stick with a plan
get your vitamins and other nutrients
cut free, loose sugar
Move around more than you are currently.

I'd also add that she might want to look into talking to a doc about
treating what seems, to
a casual observer, to be a fairly deep clinical depression.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I added comments as well, and no, technically this is NOT diet talk.

Three words - ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin.

The ECA stack. It worked for me.

It gives you energy, it suppresses hunger, and it helps you burn fat
while sparing lean muscle mass.

Yeah, there is some small danger if you have certain medical
conditions or go crazy overdosing on it but being overweight has
risks
as well

and yes, lol, she really should have used a spellchecker.

P.S. The world is not going to change its perception of fat people
just because you want it to.

The Vanishing Hitchhiker said:

Hollywood said:

On Aug 27, 12:04 am, Mal <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hollywood wrote:
> On Aug 25, 10:17 am, [email hidden] (Maggie) wrote:
>>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> So, I watched. And I commented. The person is an obese woman.
> With bad grammar and spelling. But that's besides the point.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> What's really sad is the lack of hope. Or a plan. Or a spine. I'm
> not sure which. The theme that runs through it is basically like this:
> "I hate my life as an obese woman. But I hate contemplating any
> change that might alter that condition. So, I'm gonna stick this
> suckiness
> out until the end. I might even off myself."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> What is remarkable to me is that you cannot reasonably do
> the same things, over and over again, and expect to get different
> results.
> I'm a low carber, but I'm not going to be sectarian about a change.
> The
> thing is, if you are miserable in your present state, then maybe you
> want to
> make changes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Give the girl a break - she said she is going on 700 cals a day now, so
she IS trying.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

However, that low an intake might cause her to keel over with
malnutrition. She should just eat 1000 cals less than she has been, cut
out the soft drinks/sugar foods and lose 2 lbs a week. It will be a long
time before she can get down to 700 cals safely. Rule of thumb would be
10 cals times current weight in lbs - 1000 = cals per day for a 2 lb a
week weightloss. [I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know -
but maybe she doesn't.]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If Maggie could walk a bit, carrying around that much weight would be
good exercise at first. The pumping iron is for later, when walking is
no longer challenging.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think making a video is a great idea. And, unless the MD she saw had
detailed genetic testing done, he was lying to her to make her feel the
weight was not her fault. If he had the genetic testing done (not likely
as it is an expensive and complicated process,) then caloric restriction
is still the way to go for better health.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Rally around now and give the girl some useful support. Let's hear your
low carb advice.

Quoted message said:

So, I do protein power, not Atkins (not that there's a huge
difference, but, well).
My advice for her, based on the video and that's all:
1- Don't worry about calories. Without measuring everything or eating
processed
center aisle foods, you aren't counting accurately.

Quoted message said:

2- She noted that she drinks a lot of pop and juice. Dump it.
Immediately. Drink
some diet pop, but the juice is of, well, not much use, particularly
if she's
insulin resistant, like a lot of folks who are in her situation are.

Quoted message said:

3- Figure out how much protein she should have, using one of the
Eades' charts.
The one in Protein Power Life Plan is very simple. Then, make sure you
get
at least that amount.

Quoted message said:

4- Buy a book (protein power life plan is the best imho, but that's
only mho). Read
the book. Follow it like it's your fantasy football team and you have
no prospects for
company among members of the opposite sex.

Quoted message said:

I suppose we could sum up the book as:
1- Follow directions.
2- Eat until satisfied, not full. Learn the difference.
3- Take your vitamins and supplements.
4- Exercise somewhat.
On the exercise, I think there's a ladder, like Maslow's hierarchy. If
you are couch bound,
walking a little is good. If you are walking a little, walking more is
probably good. If you
are walking a lot, you might look at lifting some weights or jogging.
If you're at that level,
add some weight or some sophistication. The key thing is, move up to a
level that's
useful to you and sustainable by you.

Quoted message said:

Calorie restriction to ~600kcal/day is probably a quick route to
frustration, hunger,
and everything that comes with that. Never mind sustainability and
recidivism rates.

Quoted message said:

Again, I didn't want to get sectarian. I think there's stuff we can
all agree on, like
stick with a plan
get your vitamins and other nutrients
cut free, loose sugar
Move around more than you are currently.

Quoted message said:

I'd also add that she might want to look into talking to a doc about
treating what seems, to
a casual observer, to be a fairly deep clinical depression.- Hide quoted text -

Quoted message said:

- Show quoted text -

I added comments as well, and no, technically this is NOT diet talk.

Three words - ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin.

The ECA stack. It worked for me.

It gives you energy, it suppresses hunger, and it helps you burn fat
while sparing lean muscle mass.

Yeah, there is some small danger if you have certain medical
conditions or go crazy overdosing on it but being overweight has
risks
as well

and yes, lol, she really should have used a spellchecker.

P.S. The world is not going to change its perception of fat people
just because you want it to.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

P.P.S. and if you want to talk about hope - the ECA combo works BETTER
the more overweight you are.

Mal said:

Hollywood said:

What is remarkable to me is that you cannot reasonably do
the same things, over and over again, and expect to get different
results.

Give the girl a break - she said she is going on 700 cals a day now, so
she IS trying.

I trimmed to that point for a reason - What's the chance that she
has already tried and failed at the extremist approach to cutting
all the way to 700 calories? Same actions, same results. She
needs to try something other than that if she's tried extremist
low calorie before.

There a problem with an all-or-nothing approach - Almost every
time the result is nothing. Extreme low calorie approaches trigger
relentless hunger and frustration. Eventually they lead to crash
and burn and regain.

Moderate approaches take more mental effort. Measure
current intake, cut 500 calories from it, try that level a few
months, gauge results, see if subtracting another 100 is called
for. But such a plan works far better in the long run than an
extreme approach.

Quoted message said:

However, that low an intake might cause her to keel over with
malnutrition. She should just eat 1000 cals less than she has been, cut
out the soft drinks/sugar foods and lose 2 lbs a week.

I suggested 500, Hollywood suggested 1000. Okay.

Quoted message said:

It will be a long
time before she can get down to 700 cals safely.

That low safely? I suggest never. The 800 calorie level is what
was done in concentration camps.

Quoted message said:

Rule of thumb would be
10 cals times current weight in lbs - 1000 = cals per day for a 2 lb a
week weightloss. [I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know -
but maybe she doesn't.]

I like a compromise count method:

(10 times current weight) + (10 times goal weight) / 2.

It assumes that fat takes fewer calories than lean. It is greatly
oversimplified. It self-adjusts as you lose month to month.

Quoted message said:

If Maggie could walk a bit, carrying around that much weight would be
good exercise at first. The pumping iron is for later, when walking is
no longer challenging.

Levels of fitness - There's a point when you can walk for 30-60
minutes on the level and wonder why that counts as exercise.
Get to there first, then worry about the fancy stuff. If today's walk
can only be 10 minutes, then target 11 next week and 12 the week
after that.

Quoted message said:

Rally around now and give the girl some useful support. Let's hear your
low carb advice.

Six month minimum commitment. Read the book, follow the
directions, especially including the parts of the directions you
don't understand or disagree with.

The Vanishing Hitchhiker said:

P.P.S. and if you want to talk about hope - the ECA combo works BETTER
the more overweight you are.

So does exercise.

Winners don't do drugs.

"Kaz Kylheku" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The Vanishing Hitchhiker said:

P.P.S. and if you want to talk about hope - the ECA combo works BETTER
the more overweight you are.

So does exercise.

Winners don't do drugs.

Nor do they post platitudes

(Maggie) said:

yeah, i watched this too. it's a travesty of injustice. what fat
people go through is every bit as unfair a discrimination against a
person for their race, yet its widely accepted and common practice.
this strike me as vulgar a uncivilized, and extremely unfair. wake up
world, fat people are human and have feelings. smarten up, and fat
people should organize to get a law passed against this
discrimination, and work to see it get enforced, I hear San Francisco
is the only city in America to have such a law. this law should go
nationwide. jenius.

jenius said:

(Maggie) said:

yeah, i watched this too. it's a travesty of injustice. what fat
people go through is every bit as unfair a discrimination against a
person for their race, yet its widely accepted and common practice.

What discrimination?

--

Kaz Kylheku said:

On Aug 27, 9:41 am, The Vanishing Hitchhiker

Quoted message said:

P.P.S. and if you want to talk about hope - the ECA combo works BETTER
the more overweight you are.

So does exercise.

Winners don't do drugs.

at least *I* cared enough to watch this fat chick's other videos "who
is hope"

she ALREADY does drugs to control both physical and psychological
problems, oh I know, I know, psychological problems are all in your
head, lol, and only looooosers take librium et. al. to stabilize
bipolar disorder which results in weight gain...

but those are PRESCRIPTION drugs so they MUST be safe whereas not only
are the ones I suggested LEGAL, they are also available over the
counter

but stay self-righteous, stay self-satisfied, stay ignorant, and most
of all stay fat. Some people just deserve it.

"The Vanishing Hitchhiker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
.....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Winners don't do drugs.

at least *I* cared enough to [yammer on and on and]

Quoted message said:

to be self-righteous, stay ignorant, and most
of all stay fat. Some people just deserve it.

Well said. I agree wholeheartedly

jenius said:

(Maggie) said:

yeah, i watched this too. it's a travesty of injustice. what fat
people go through is every bit as unfair a discrimination against a
person for their race, yet its widely accepted and common practice.
this strike me as vulgar a uncivilized, and extremely unfair. wake up
world, fat people are human and have feelings. smarten up, and fat
people should organize to get a law passed against this
discrimination, and work to see it get enforced, I hear San Francisco
is the only city in America to have such a law. this law should go
nationwide. jenius.

Hrm. While I suspect that no one really wants to be obese, I think
there
are a lot of people who look at the alternative of fixing their broken
metabolisms
as more terrible than staying obese. I suspect there are folks who
like to be
"insert race here." In general (exception of Michael Jackson), they
don't even
have a painful alternative, so it's not the same.

FWIW: If you are so obese as to be mobility challenged (like can't use
stairs),
you should probably be covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act
(I am
sure people with disabilities would be very welcoming to a new class
that they
perceive as special, a drain on funding and in some ways, very
different).

The Vanishing Hitchhiker said:

Three words - ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin.

The ECA stack. It worked for me.

It gives you energy, it suppresses hunger, and it helps you burn fat
while sparing lean muscle mass.

Yeah, there is some small danger if you have certain medical
conditions or go crazy overdosing on it but being overweight has
risks as well

If she's as obese as it's made out in the video, as immobile too, and
likely
having MetS, I dunno that a dose of amphetamines is the best solution.
Her
ticker is maybe challenged enough as it is. But, yeah, solutions are
out there.

Ditto comment about world vs. self vis-a-vis perceptions. If you want
to change
the world, you have to start with yourself and model the change you
want. That's
what Rob Quinn, PhD, professor at U Michigan MBA has to say on the
subject.

The Vanishing Hitchhiker said:

but stay self-righteous, stay self-satisfied, stay ignorant, and most
of all stay fat.

Wrong guess. I'm easily maintaining a < 7% body fat level, year-round,
by means of nutrition and sport.

Through drugs, you will never /be/ me. You might manage to look the
part (at least while you're on them) which isn't quite the same thing.

Kaz Kylheku said:

On Aug 27, 8:08 pm, The Vanishing Hitchhiker

Quoted message said:

but stay self-righteous, stay self-satisfied, stay ignorant, and most
of all stay fat.

Wrong guess. I'm easily maintaining a < 7% body fat level, year-round,
by means of nutrition and sport.

Through drugs, you will never /be/ me. You might manage to look the
part (at least while you're on them) which isn't quite the same thing.

yet you still spend your time trolling on a fat acceptance group.

yeah, I want your life for just one minute, it must be very full and
satisfying, lol!

Helena Handbasket said:

Kaz Kylheku said:

Through drugs, you will never /be/ me. You might manage to look the
part (at least while you're on them) which isn't quite the same thing.

yet you still spend your time trolling on a fat acceptance group.

This is cross-posted to five newsgroups. [I've now removed that one
using the Followup-To: header]

On 28 Aug 2007, Hollywood <[email hidden]> posted some
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

jenius said:

(Maggie) said:

yeah, i watched this too. it's a travesty of injustice. what fat
people go through is every bit as unfair a discrimination against a
person for their race, yet its widely accepted and common practice.
this strike me as vulgar a uncivilized, and extremely unfair. wake
up world, fat people are human and have feelings. smarten up, and fat
people should organize to get a law passed against this
discrimination, and work to see it get enforced, I hear San Francisco
is the only city in America to have such a law. this law should go
nationwide. jenius.

[censored], "jenius". Moron... You're just pushing the "Love My Fat"
movement. I think your fat is disgusting and you should all be sent to
fitness camps in New Mexico until you look like humans again. If you lard
up again, back you go.

It's pure discrimination against healthy people who care about their lives
and health. Fat people don't care or they'd do something about it. It's
a personal choice. Yeah it's hard to lose weight and keep it off, but all
it takes is a little self discipline and the effort to put down the TV
remote and fork. Nothing worth doing is easy, all it takes is a little
time and effort to get it done and move on.

Quoted message said:

Hrm. While I suspect that no one really wants to be obese, I think
there
are a lot of people who look at the alternative of fixing their broken
metabolisms
as more terrible than staying obese. I suspect there are folks who
like to be
"insert race here." In general (exception of Michael Jackson), they
don't even
have a painful alternative, so it's not the same.

Jackson has problems because of the drugs he takes and the enemas he pumps
up his butt on an hourly basis. His liver is shot and he'll be dead soon.
Good riddance.

Quoted message said:

FWIW: If you are so obese as to be mobility challenged (like can't use
stairs),
you should probably be covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act
(I am
sure people with disabilities would be very welcoming to a new class
that they
perceive as special, a drain on funding and in some ways, very
different).

No way. Excessive lard because somebody won't regulate their food intake
and exercise is not a qualifying disability.