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Mike can really seem like a nice guy sometimes. I feel sorry from him. He writes these letters to
everyone spilling his heart. If only he would have spilled his heart on the bike, then he would have
a team for next year. Racing with LOVE not hate.[email hidden] (TritonRider) wrote in message
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Racing with LOVE not hate.
=20 20Funny you should say that because I happened to read this recently
from amasuperbike.com:
Feel the power of the dark side
As one World Superbike competitor said recently in a private = conversation when asked why he became
a rider, "I don't like racing. I = don't like riding, hell, I don't even like motorcycles. I just
like = beating guys. And riding motorcycles is the one way that I can beat = guys."=20Many riders would concur with the theory of hate being the companion to = success in racing. Gary
Nixon never had a better day of racing than the = weekend his wife left him and his business partner
closed their business = and took all the inventory. Carl Fogarty said not too long ago that his =
results started suffering the moment he stopped hating his rivals. = Someone convinced him that hate
was an unhealthy emotion, so he tried = being Mr. Nice Guy for a time, but without that extra surge
of = motivation that comes from the animosity, he lost touch for a few races. ="Let yourself go to the dark side," wheezed the Rebel Master to Luke = Skywalker in Return of the
Jedi. You can walk through the paddock of a = World Superbike race and if so inclined, easily point
out the riders who = have stepped over to the dark side: John Kocinski, Carl Fogarty, Scott =
Russell and, at Laguna Seca, Miguel DuHamel. Now point to the nice guys, = riders you wouldn't mind
your sister dating: Mike Hale, Neil Hodgson, = Jamie Whitam. If you had to make a pre-race wager on
a winner, where = would you put your money?That old time religion
"It's not that I don't believe in God, or think that religion is a bad = thing. I don't,"
pontificated a Ducati rider who shall remain nameless = in the paddock at Laguna Seca. He spoke of
the mental edge needed to = race at the front in AMA and World Superbike. He has watched his rivals
= praise the Lord in chapel meetings at the track and thanking Him for = their success from the
podium. He continued: "I believe in God. I think = that religion is a good thing to have in your
life. But if you believe = you can be deeply religious and run at the front, you're wrong. You =
can't be thinking 'be compassionate to all men' and then come here and = win. It can't be done, man.
To win in Superbike or in Grand Prix you = have to wake up every morning hating the other riders and
thinking that = they're hopeless. I do. I used to help people at the track when I was = coming up
and all it did was help people pass me. You look at all the = guys who were good, really good, Kenny
Roberts, Eddie Lawson, Wayne = Gardner and those type of riders - not a Bible thumper among them.
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<DVII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>Racing with LOVE not hate.<BR>> = <BR>>=20
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<DVIII><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Funny you should say that because I = happened to=20 read this
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motorcycles. I just like beating guys. And = riding=20 motorcycles is the one way that I can
beat guys."=20
<R>Many riders would concur with the theory of hate being the companion = to=20 success in
racing. Gary Nixon never had a better day of racing than the = weekend=20 his wife left him
and his business partner closed their business and = took all=20 the inventory. Carl Fogarty
said not too long ago that his results = started=20 suffering the moment he stopped hating
his rivals. Someone convinced him = that=20 hate was an unhealthy emotion, so he tried being
Mr. Nice Guy for a = time, but=20 without that extra surge of motivation that comes from the
animosity, he = lost=20 touch for a few races.=20
<S>"Let yourself go to the dark side," wheezed the Rebel Master to Luke=20 Skywalker in <I>
Return of the Jedi</I>. You can walk through the = paddock of a=20 World Superbike race and
if so inclined, easily point out the riders who = have=20 stepped over to the dark side: John
Kocinski, Carl Fogarty, Scott = Russell and,=20 at Laguna Seca, Miguel DuHamel. Now point to
the nice guys, riders you = wouldn't=20 mind your sister dating: Mike Hale, Neil Hodgson,
Jamie Whitam. If you = had to=20 make a pre-race wager on a winner, where would you put your
money?</P>
<S><A>That old time religion</B><BR>
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pontificated a Ducati rider who shall remain nameless in the = paddock=20 at Laguna Seca. He
spoke of the mental edge needed to race at the front = in AMA=20 and World Superbike. He has
watched his rivals praise the Lord in chapel =meetings at the track and thanking Him for their success from the = podium. He=20 continued: "I
believe in God. I think that religion is a good thing to = have in=20 your life. But if you believe
you can be deeply religious and run at the = front,=20 you're wrong. You can't be thinking 'be
compassionate to all men' and = then come=20 here and win. It can't be done, man. To win in
Superbike or in Grand = Prix you=20 have to wake up every morning hating the other riders and
thinking that = they're=20 hopeless. I do. I used to help people at the track when I was coming up =
and all=20 it did was help people pass me. You look at all the guys who were good, = really=20 good,
Kenny Roberts, Eddie Lawson, Wayne Gardner and those type of = riders - not=20 a Bible thumper among
them. There was only one exception - Spencer. Deep = down=20 the others hated
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Mike can really seem like a nice guy sometimes. I feel sorry from him. He writes these letters to
everyone spilling his heart. If only he would have spilled his heart on the bike, then he would
have a team for next year. Racing with LOVE not hate.Are you suggesting that Mike didn't race his heart out? Any particular instances you'd like to offer
as evidence, or other anecdotal evidence or opinions you can share about why Mike doesn't currently
have a team?S.
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Mike can really seem like a nice guy sometimes. I feel sorry from him. He writes these letters to
everyone spilling his heart. If only he would have spilled his heart on the bike, then he would
have a team for next year. Racing with LOVE not hate.Holy [censored]...........I'll pass this along to all those Pro's that don't have jobs for next year so
they know why the phone isn't ringing! Seriously, if anyone had seen Michael at the end of the World
RR there wasn't anything left to spill... It was a tough, tough year for him, he trained his ass off
starting in December/January, maybe too hard, but it certainly wasn't from lack of commitment or
dedication. He had a serious bout with mono that really took a major toll mid-year. Hey, that's bike
racing, you have to learn to comeback from setbacks and frustrations. Even without a team, he is
making plans to start training again in New Mexico in December. He isn't going to give up and he
will be back again for another year."OMC"
Sorry YMC, I know...NO more Posts !!!
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Mike can really seem like a nice guy sometimes. I feel sorry from him. He writes these letters
to everyone spilling his heart. If only he would have spilled his heart on the bike, then he
would have a team for next year. Racing with LOVE not hate.Holy [censored]...........I'll pass this along to all those Pro's that don't have jobs for next year so
they know why the phone isn't ringing! Seriously, if anyone had seen Michael at the end of the
World RR there wasn't anything left to spill... It was a tough, tough year for him, he trained his
ass off starting in December/January, maybe too hard, but it certainly wasn't from lack of
commitment or dedication. He had a serious bout with mono that really took a major toll mid-year.
Hey, that's bike racing, you have to learn to comeback from setbacks and frustrations. Even
without a team, he is making plans to start training again in New Mexico in December. He isn't
going to give up and he will be back again for another year."OMC"
Sorry YMC, I know...NO more Posts !!!
Regardless of ones opinion of YMC's personality traits, there is not, IMO, any reason to suspect he
hasn't given his best while racing. The sport grows and contracts with the economy. It isn't a
pleasant time right now for many domestic teams (and some Div 1 -- III either). Look at West
Virginia for example. And I don't buy the argument that you have to hate to win. You have to want to
win and have the ability. If some of the winners are jerks, I think that is more a commentary on
society and the individual as opposed to proof of a theory for winning. -
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Sorry YMC, I know...NO more Posts !!!
Hey. That'd suck. YMC is one of the more interesting young personalities around, and he can
really ride too. Glad to hear he's still getting ready for next year. Good luck to both of
you. Bill CActually, to clarify.....YMC asked OMC not to post here ! He will still write his bike.com articles.
"OMC"
"One of the still alive Parents"
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OMC said:
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From: [email hidden] (OMC)
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Sorry YMC, I know...NO more Posts !!!
Hey. That'd suck. YMC is one of the more interesting young personalities around, and he can
really ride too. Glad to hear he's still getting ready for next year. Good luck to both of you.
Bill CActually, to clarify.....YMC asked OMC not to post here ! He will still write his bike.com
articles."OMC"
"One of the still alive Parents"
why can't you post here but just not talk about ymc?
hh
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"RacerX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Racing with LOVE not hate.
Funny you should say that because I happened to read this recently
from amasuperbike.com:
Feel the power of the dark side
As one World Superbike competitor said recently in a private conversation when asked why he became
a rider, "I don't like racing. I don't like riding, hell, I don't even like motorcycles. I just
like beating guys. And riding motorcycles is the one way that I can beat guys."Many riders would concur with the theory of hate being the companion to success in racing. Gary
Nixon never had a better day of racing than the weekend his wife left him and his business partner
closed their business and took all the inventory. Carl Fogarty said not too long ago that his
results started suffering the moment he stopped hating his rivals. Someone convinced him that hate
was an unhealthy emotion, so he tried being Mr. Nice Guy for a time, but without that extra surge
of motivation that comes from the animosity, he lost touch for a few races."Let yourself go to the dark side," wheezed the Rebel Master to Luke Skywalker in Return of the
Jedi. You can walk through the paddock of a World Superbike race and if so inclined, easily point
out the riders who have stepped over to the dark side: John Kocinski, Carl Fogarty, Scott Russell
and, at Laguna Seca, Miguel DuHamel. Now point to the nice guys, riders you wouldn't mind your
sister dating: Mike Hale, Neil Hodgson, Jamie Whitam. If you had to make a pre-race wager on a
winner, where would you put your money?I'm not all that sure that Kocinski hated his rivals, but he definitely was on the dark side. A
strange one, no doubt. Obsessive-compulsive behavior galore. Oh, and a haunted motor home, heh.
But Randy Mamola would be a guy to sort of prove the validity of the argument. Way too nice of a
guy to actually hate the guys he raced against, but he never won the title. Mamola was the
Raymond Poulidor of the 500GP class with four runner-up positions. How old was the article, btw?
Mick Doohan had to have hated everyone else (especially his team mates) as much as Fogarty, but
Fogarty was far more obvious in his expressions of
it. Micky D just did everyone else's heads in with mind games (the most subtle form of hate): I'd
bet that 90% of the other riders had lost before the flag even flew.--
tanx, Howard"Danger, you haven't seen the last of me!"
"No, but the first of you turns my stomach!"
Firesign Theatreremove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Racing with LOVE not hate.
Feel the power of the dark sideMany riders would concur with the theory of hate being the companion to success in racing. ...
"Let yourself go to the dark side," wheezed the Rebel Master to Luke Skywalker in Return of the
Jedi....Armstrong on the darkside ? In the second year of his pro career I read an interwiew in which he
stated agressively that "... wanted to kick some ass". Nothing wrong with that in the modern sense
but still hardly a Christian ethic.I think the circumstances around his contract negotiations with a particular pro team when he was
diagnosed with cancer have left him bitter (maybe rightly so) and this is a major source of his
darker motivation.As a counter point I saw a tv program that correllated religion with sport and a lot of high
achievers are deeply religious - Johnaton Edwards (triple jump record holder), Brazillian football
team (they had undershirts that proclaimed "Jesus the Saviour" on when the won the World Cup
Final), Michael Johnson (200 & 400m Olympic Champion and world record holder) is a devote
Christian and regards his faith as an intrinsic part of his success. Wasn't Carl Lewis a dediacted
Christan as well ? -
h squared said:
why can't you post here but just not talk about ymc?
hh
in fact, you could stop posting as omc and just use a fake name (shocking!!).
i don't really care about your kid, but you post here and we like you so it's vexing that you would
have to stop.heather
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Rik O'Shea said:
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Racing with LOVE not hate.
Feel the power of the dark side
Many riders would concur with the theory of hate being the companion to success in racing. ...
"Let yourself go to the dark side," wheezed the Rebel Master to Luke Skywalker in Return of the
Jedi....Armstrong on the darkside ? In the second year of his pro career I read an interwiew in which he
stated agressively that "... wanted to kick some ass". Nothing wrong with that in the modern sense
but still hardly a Christian ethic.Lance has stated he's either atheist or at the very least agnostic.
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I think the circumstances around his contract negotiations with a particular pro team when he was
diagnosed with cancer have left him bitter (maybe rightly so) and this is a major source of his
darker motivation.As a counter point I saw a tv program that correllated religion with sport and a lot of high
achievers are deeply religious - Johnaton Edwards (triple jump record holder), Brazillian football
team (they had undershirts that proclaimed "Jesus the Saviour" on when the won the World Cup
Final), Michael Johnson (200 & 400m Olympic Champion and world record holder) is a devote
Christian and regards his faith as an intrinsic part of his success. Wasn't Carl Lewis a dediacted
Christan as well ? -
Rik O'Shea said:
As a counter point I saw a tv program that correllated religion with sport and a lot of high
achievers are deeply religious - Johnaton Edwards (triple jump record holder), Brazillian football
team (they had undershirts that proclaimed "Jesus the Saviour" on when the won the World Cup
Final), Michael Johnson (200 & 400m Olympic Champion and world record holder) is a devote
Christian and regards his faith as an intrinsic part of his success. Wasn't Carl Lewis a dediacted
Christan as well ?I think there's little historical evidence to support the notion that Christians are incapable of
hatred. A goodly number of card carrying Nazis were Christian. Ever heard of the Spanish
Inquisition? The list here could get very large, and it seems like it ought to be a familiar notion.The point is that Christians are still capable of hate. Become a Christian, fight to prove your
righteousness by defeating those heathens you're racing against AND ... you're right there on the
dark side.I am SOOO off topic here.
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Rik O'Shea said:
As a counter point I saw a tv program that correllated religion with sport and a lot of high
achievers are deeply religious - Johnaton Edwards (triple jump record holder), Brazillian
football team (they had undershirts that proclaimed "Jesus the Saviour" on when the won the
World Cup Final), Michael Johnson (200 & 400m Olympic Champion and world record holder) is a
devote Christian and regards his faith as an intrinsic part of his success. Wasn't Carl Lewis a
dediacted Christan as well ?I think there's little historical evidence to support the notion that Christians are
incapable of hatred. A goodly number of card carrying Nazis were Christian. Ever heard of the
Spanish Inquisition? The list here could get very large, and it seems like it ought to be a
familiar notion.The point is that Christians are still capable of hate. Become a Christian, fight to prove your
righteousness by defeating those heathens you're racing against AND ... you're right there on the
dark side.I am SOOO off topic here.
I think that you've gone off on a major tangent here. The topic relates to source of motivation for
sporting performance. On one hand there is a small minority who use their deeply held religious
beliefs/ideologies (Christian, Muslim, what ever) as a source of motivation and inspiration. On the
other hand there are others who use life events, rivalries or even hatred as a deep source of
motivation that drives their performance.But whenever someone mentions the Nazis in a thread I known it's time to wrap it up. Since we all
know that the Nazis are at the bottom of everything we'll leave it there. -
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On one hand there is a small minority who use their deeply held religious beliefs/ideologies
(Christian, Muslim, what ever) as a source of motivation and inspiration.Well, you've broadened it out to include others as well. That makes a big difference.
Nazis aren't at the bottom of much of anything these days that I know about. Seems to me like the
problem has ALWAYS been that people find a reason to believe they're better than everyone else and
therefore entitled to something. We're pretty creative with those reasons.
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