New hub from shimano

Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm said:

Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??

http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html

Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new Shimano
low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite, scandium and carbon
fiber composite rims. 😉

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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??

http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html

Now by the looks of it all we now need is a retrofitkit to get rid of
the aluminium axle 😉

--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

M-gineering said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??

http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html

Now by the looks of it all we now need is a retrofitkit to get rid of
the aluminium axle 😉

has anyone had a problem with the 7800 hub?

jim beam said:

M-gineering said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com said:

Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??

http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html

Now by the looks of it all we now need is a retrofitkit to get rid of
the aluminium axle 😉

has anyone had a problem with the 7800 hub?

Yes, as in selling Ultegra hubs where previously you would have made
more money with DA 😉 (there is a whole bunch of cogsets which won't fit
for starters)
--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

M-gineering said:

jim beam said:

M-gineering said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
> Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
> freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??

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>http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___in...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Now by the looks of it all we now need is a retrofitkit to get rid of
the aluminium axle 😉

Quoted message said:

has anyone had a problem with the 7800 hub?

Yes, as in selling Ultegra hubs where previously you would have made
more money with DA 😉 (there is a whole bunch of cogsets which won't fit
for starters)
--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

We've had a few with FH/pawl problems, sticking down..maybe that has
something to do with changing the design...I think a poor copy of
Campag's hubs...plus the bonded to the axle cone..cone/axle sold as an
assembly...$50.

Not the smoothest hub either, even after overhauling..7700 was much
better, hopefully 7850 will be too.

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Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm said:

Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new Shimano
low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite, scandium and carbon
fiber composite rims. 😉

The heck with Peter.
We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom handbuilt
wheel sales for us.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Andrew Muzi mused:

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Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm said:

Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new Shimano
low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite, scandium and
carbon fiber composite rims. 😉

The heck with Peter.
We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom handbuilt
wheel sales for us.

Replacement wheels for customers who want something less foo-foo than
the OEM wheels?

Can one even build a wheel with "16 butted (2.0-1.5-2.0), stainless
steel spokes" without a special fixture to deflect the rim at the spoke
that is being tensioned?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
BEER IS FOOD

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Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

Andrew Muzi mused:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
> Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
> freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
> http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new
Shimano low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite, scandium
and carbon fiber composite rims. 😉

The heck with Peter.
We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom handbuilt
wheel sales for us.

Replacement wheels for customers who want something less foo-foo than
the OEM wheels?

Can one even build a wheel with "16 butted (2.0-1.5-2.0), stainless
steel spokes" without a special fixture to deflect the rim at the spoke
that is being tensioned?

of course!!! wow, jobstian fud swallowed hook, line & sinker!!!

jim beam said:

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

Andrew Muzi mused:

Quoted message said:

> Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
>> Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
>> freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
>> http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new
> Shimano low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite, scandium
> and carbon fiber composite rims. 😉

The heck with Peter.
We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom handbuilt
wheel sales for us.

Replacement wheels for customers who want something less foo-foo than
the OEM wheels?

Can one even build a wheel with "16 butted (2.0-1.5-2.0), stainless
steel spokes" without a special fixture to deflect the rim at the
spoke that is being tensioned?

of course!!! wow, jobstian fud swallowed hook, line & sinker!!!

So how many low-spoke wheels have you built "jim"? I thought you
recommended buying them "out of box"?

--
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BEER IS FOOD

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Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

jim beam said:

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

Andrew Muzi mused:
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
>>> Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
>>> freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
>>> http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new
>> Shimano low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite,
>> scandium and carbon fiber composite rims. 😉
>
> The heck with Peter.
> We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom handbuilt
> wheel sales for us.

Replacement wheels for customers who want something less foo-foo than
the OEM wheels?

Can one even build a wheel with "16 butted (2.0-1.5-2.0), stainless
steel spokes" without a special fixture to deflect the rim at the
spoke that is being tensioned?

of course!!! wow, jobstian fud swallowed hook, line & sinker!!!

So how many low-spoke wheels have you built "jim"? I thought you
recommended buying them "out of box"?

only 16 spoke from what used to be a 32 spoke wheel. but don't worry
about the little details tom - i just mess about with stuff to see if
the bullshitters know what they're talking about.

how much other stuff do you believe from what you read on the net btw?
did you see the one about the ww2 bomber found on the moon?

jim beam said:

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

jim beam said:

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
>>>> Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
>>>> freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
>>>> http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new
>>> Shimano low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite,
>>> scandium and carbon fiber composite rims. 😉
>>
>> The heck with Peter.
>> We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom handbuilt
>> wheel sales for us.
>
> Replacement wheels for customers who want something less foo-foo
> than the OEM wheels?
>
> Can one even build a wheel with "16 butted (2.0-1.5-2.0), stainless
> steel spokes" without a special fixture to deflect the rim at the
> spoke that is being tensioned?
>

of course!!! wow, jobstian fud swallowed hook, line & sinker!!!

So how many low-spoke wheels have you built "jim"? I thought you
recommended buying them "out of box"?

only 16 spoke from what used to be a 32 spoke wheel. but don't worry
about the little details tom - i just mess about with stuff to see if
the bullshitters know what they're talking about.

Like the wheel with missing spokes that can support a static load, but
would not work if the bicycle were actually moving?

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how much other stuff do you believe from what you read on the net btw?

I consider the source - anonymous sock puppets are generally not reliable.

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did you see the one about the ww2 bomber found on the moon?

How about the story of the ex-metallurgist who thought he was an engineer?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
“twisting may help if yawl can chew gum and walk.” - gene daniels

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jim beam said:

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

Andrew Muzi mused:
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
>>> Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
>>> freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
>>>

http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news
/new_dura-ace_freehub.html

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>
>
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> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new
>> Shimano low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite, scandium
>> and carbon fiber composite rims. 😉
>
> The heck with Peter.
> We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom handbuilt
> wheel sales for us.

Replacement wheels for customers who want something less foo-foo than
the OEM wheels?

Can one even build a wheel with "16 butted (2.0-1.5-2.0), stainless
steel spokes" without a special fixture to deflect the rim at the
spoke that is being tensioned?

of course!!! wow, jobstian fud swallowed hook, line & sinker!!!

So how many low-spoke wheels have you built "jim"? I thought you
recommended buying them "out of box"?

LOL pwned

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Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

jim beam said:

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

"jim beam" wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
>>>>> Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
>>>>> freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
>>>>> http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new
>>>> Shimano low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite,
>>>> scandium and carbon fiber composite rims. 😉
>>>
>>> The heck with Peter.
>>> We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom
>>> handbuilt wheel sales for us.
>>
>> Replacement wheels for customers who want something less foo-foo
>> than the OEM wheels?
>>
>> Can one even build a wheel with "16 butted (2.0-1.5-2.0), stainless
>> steel spokes" without a special fixture to deflect the rim at the
>> spoke that is being tensioned?
>>
>
> of course!!! wow, jobstian fud swallowed hook, line & sinker!!!

So how many low-spoke wheels have you built "jim"? I thought you
recommended buying them "out of box"?

only 16 spoke from what used to be a 32 spoke wheel. but don't worry
about the little details tom - i just mess about with stuff to see if
the bullshitters know what they're talking about.

Like the wheel with missing spokes that can support a static load, but
would not work if the bicycle were actually moving?

suppositional [censored]. you go ahead and try that experiment at home
rather than just [censored] and moan from a position of ignorance.

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how much other stuff do you believe from what you read on the net btw?

I consider the source - anonymous sock puppets are generally not reliable.

so self-proclaimed "experts" that announce their name and credentials
/are/ reliable? like jobst brandt? the guy that thinks anodizing
causes rim cracking? or that bike bearings don't brinell? or that
elasto-hydrodynamic separation somehow "protects" bike bearings? or
that materials without a fatigue endurance limit can be made fatigue
proof? or that spoke gauge has no effect on tensiometer deflection?
what a joke.

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did you see the one about the ww2 bomber found on the moon?

How about the story of the ex-metallurgist who thought he was an engineer?

how about the guy that has opinions on every subject under the sun from
the comfort and safety of his sofa? the guy that feels qualified to
condemn stuff he's never used?

jim beam said:

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

jim beam said:

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> "jim beam" wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
>>>>>> Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
>>>>>> http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/news/new_dura-ace_freehub.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>> Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new
>>>>> Shimano low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite,
>>>>> scandium and carbon fiber composite rims. 😉
>>>>
>>>> The heck with Peter.
>>>> We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom
>>>> handbuilt wheel sales for us.
>>>
>>> Replacement wheels for customers who want something less foo-foo
>>> than the OEM wheels?
>>>
>>> Can one even build a wheel with "16 butted (2.0-1.5-2.0),
>>> stainless steel spokes" without a special fixture to deflect the
>>> rim at the spoke that is being tensioned?
>>>
>>
>> of course!!! wow, jobstian fud swallowed hook, line & sinker!!!
>
> So how many low-spoke wheels have you built "jim"? I thought you
> recommended buying them "out of box"?
>

only 16 spoke from what used to be a 32 spoke wheel. but don't worry
about the little details tom - i just mess about with stuff to see if
the bullshitters know what they're talking about.

Like the wheel with missing spokes that can support a static load, but
would not work if the bicycle were actually moving?

suppositional [censored]. you go ahead and try that experiment at home
rather than just [censored] and moan from a position of ignorance.

Why would I want to destroy a perfectly good rim and risk injuring myself?

Why doesn't "jim beam" post a video of the wheel with the spokes missing
being ridden on YouTube (or the equivalent)? (He could always scramble
the image of his head to protect his anonymity.) Come on "jim", show us
that this wheel works!

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how much other stuff do you believe from what you read on the net btw?

I consider the source - anonymous sock puppets are generally not
reliable.

so self-proclaimed "experts" that announce their name and credentials
/are/ reliable? like jobst brandt? the guy that thinks anodizing
causes rim cracking?

Citations that anodizing does NOT cause rim cracking?

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or that bike bearings don't brinell?

We only have your word for that (and "Dear Carl" imposing loads with a
hammer on a cheap headset that are unlike anything that would happen on
a bicycle in use).

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or that elasto-hydrodynamic separation somehow "protects" bike bearings?

Well, Jobst has done real world work in tribology. What "jim beam" has
done is a mystery.

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or that materials without a fatigue endurance limit can be made fatigue
proof?

Is this Jobst's real claim, or is his claim that one spokes are "stress
relieved" the endurance limit is high enough that fatigue is no longer a
PRACTICAL concern?

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or that spoke gauge has no effect on tensiometer deflection?

No effect, or no significant effect?

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what a joke.

Here is a hint "jim". Engineers do not concern themselves with
insignificant effects. Why? Well, because they are insignificant, and
add unnecessary complication to the problem.

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did you see the one about the ww2 bomber found on the moon?

How about the story of the ex-metallurgist who thought he was an
engineer?

how about the guy that has opinions on every subject under the sun from
the comfort and safety of his sofa?

It's a futon. However, I should get a keyboard mount for my trike. 😉

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the guy that feels qualified to condemn stuff he's never used?

I see enough examples of other people have problems with foo foo
components, that I have no wish to waste my limited financial resources
on them (assuming such stuff would even fit my bikes).

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
“Twisting may help if yawl can chew gum and walk.” - gene daniels

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[censored]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TYVM.

A Muzi said:

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Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm said:

Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___in...

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new Shimano
low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite, scandium and carbon
fiber composite rims. 😉

The heck with Peter.
We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom handbuilt
wheel sales for us.
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

WTF Andy, I think the new hub is a good thing....more wheels built for
us as well. 7700 hubs were getting hard to find.

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm said:

Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___in...

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new Shimano
low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite, scandium and carbon
fiber composite rims. 😉

The heck with Peter.
We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom handbuilt
wheel sales for us.
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I get it..too early this morning after a busy week.....'interesting'
to see 2 of the 'players' go at it again tho...just missing one other
and it would be complete.

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I still am curious of what "jim" is so afraid of that he/she needs to
hide his/her real identity. To a rational observer, his/her stalking of
Brandt goes beyond factual disagreement.

-----------
Jim is Jobst.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

Das Fahrrad-Rad

Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm said:

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
> Great news..at least they are 'listening", I guess. I wonder if the
> freehub can be retro-fitted to a 7800 hub??
> http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___in...

Tom 'Johnny Sunset' Sherman said:

Gee Peter, I thought you would have been excited about the new Shimano
low spoke count (16/20 F/R) carbon-alloy composite, scandium and carbon
fiber composite rims. 😉

The heck with Peter.
We're quite excited, these things generate lots of custom handbuilt
wheel sales for us.
--
Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I get it..too early this morning after a busy week.....'interesting'
to see 2 of the 'players' go at it again tho...just missing one other
and it would be complete.

So Peter, tell us how you like the new rims and complete wheel sets.

--
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