keep pulling calf

Eigenvector said:

Been battling this one for about a month now. One day while running a got a
sudden cramp in the calf, unfortunately I stepped down on it before I could
stop myself and ended up pulling the muscle pretty badly.

I cringed when I read that part...

Quoted message said:

It was pretty
painful for a couple of days, but after that it was just stiff and sore. A
week later I tried running on it, it was somewhat tender, but nothing
terrible. As I ran it got worse and worse, and finally I decided to throw
in the towel - but not before I felt a wet popping in the side of my calf.
My leg gave out and I fell, picked myself up and limped home. So I've given
it a couple weeks, no pain, no stiffness, no obvious problems. Have even
done long bike rides with no ill effects. Today, got back on the horse, ran
about 100 feet and felt that same popping sensation - stopped before it got
painful. When I get back in the office tommorow I'll schedule an
appointment with my physical therapist, but to be honest this doesn't feel
like a torn achillies - no dents in the tendon, no lingering pain, no
problems walking or riding a bike.

Sounds like something serious. Here is a suggestion, stop trying to
run on it. Listen to the doc and do the therapy he/she prescribes

John

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Quoted message said:

Eigenvector said:

Been battling this one for about a month now. One day while running a
got a
sudden cramp in the calf, unfortunately I stepped down on it before I
could
stop myself and ended up pulling the muscle pretty badly.

I cringed when I read that part...

Quoted message said:

It was pretty
painful for a couple of days, but after that it was just stiff and sore.
A
week later I tried running on it, it was somewhat tender, but nothing
terrible. As I ran it got worse and worse, and finally I decided to
throw
in the towel - but not before I felt a wet popping in the side of my
calf.
My leg gave out and I fell, picked myself up and limped home. So I've
given
it a couple weeks, no pain, no stiffness, no obvious problems. Have even
done long bike rides with no ill effects. Today, got back on the horse,
ran
about 100 feet and felt that same popping sensation - stopped before it
got
painful. When I get back in the office tommorow I'll schedule an
appointment with my physical therapist, but to be honest this doesn't
feel
like a torn achillies - no dents in the tendon, no lingering pain, no
problems walking or riding a bike.

Sounds like something serious. Here is a suggestion, stop trying to
run on it. Listen to the doc and do the therapy he/she prescribes

John

Well we'll see what happens. I suspect its going to be the same old
prognosis - get rest, ice it, stretch it and in a month get back out there.

I don't know what's so special about running that would cause it to hurt. I
do 26 mile bike commutes to work every other day - never have problems.

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Quoted message said:

"runsrealfast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Eigenvector said:

Been battling this one for about a month now. One day while running a
got a
sudden cramp in the calf, unfortunately I stepped down on it before I
could
stop myself and ended up pulling the muscle pretty badly.

I cringed when I read that part...

Quoted message said:

It was pretty
painful for a couple of days, but after that it was just stiff and sore.
A
week later I tried running on it, it was somewhat tender, but nothing
terrible. As I ran it got worse and worse, and finally I decided to
throw
in the towel - but not before I felt a wet popping in the side of my
calf.
My leg gave out and I fell, picked myself up and limped home. So I've
given
it a couple weeks, no pain, no stiffness, no obvious problems. Have
even
done long bike rides with no ill effects. Today, got back on the horse,
ran
about 100 feet and felt that same popping sensation - stopped before it
got
painful. When I get back in the office tommorow I'll schedule an
appointment with my physical therapist, but to be honest this doesn't
feel
like a torn achillies - no dents in the tendon, no lingering pain, no
problems walking or riding a bike.

Sounds like something serious. Here is a suggestion, stop trying to
run on it. Listen to the doc and do the therapy he/she prescribes

John

Well we'll see what happens. I suspect its going to be the same old
prognosis - get rest, ice it, stretch it and in a month get back out
there.

I don't know what's so special about running that would cause it to hurt.
I do 26 mile bike commutes to work every other day - never have problems.

Biking doesn't use the calf muscle that much.

After I badly strained my calf muscle, my physio told me to get
on the bike - no problems even though I couldn't run for a couple
of weeks. From what I understand - in general, biking uses muscles
from the front of the legs - quads and lower front muscles, while
running uses more the calf and hamstring from the back of the leg.

Anthony.

Eigenvector said:

Been battling this one for about a month now. One day while running a got a
sudden cramp in the calf, unfortunately I stepped down on it before I could
stop myself and ended up pulling the muscle pretty badly. It was pretty
painful for a couple of days, but after that it was just stiff and sore. A
week later I tried running on it, it was somewhat tender, but nothing
terrible. As I ran it got worse and worse, and finally I decided to throw
in the towel - but not before I felt a wet popping in the side of my calf.
My leg gave out and I fell, picked myself up and limped home. So I've given
it a couple weeks, no pain, no stiffness, no obvious problems. Have even
done long bike rides with no ill effects. Today, got back on the horse, ran
about 100 feet and felt that same popping sensation - stopped before it got
painful. When I get back in the office tommorow I'll schedule an
appointment with my physical therapist, but to be honest this doesn't feel
like a torn achillies - no dents in the tendon, no lingering pain, no
problems walking or riding a bike.

I had this same thing happen to me, and it was the reason I found this
group, to pose exactly this same question. I eventually solved the
problem. To make sure that we're on the same page, I'll describe more
in detail what the pulled muscle feels like.

First, I'd returned to running after a two-year layoff. After I'd been
running for a while and was getting into it, I attempted to increase the
distance. I noticed at first a tendency of the calf muscle of my right
leg to knot. The sensation would intensify and I had to be
self-conscious about how I stepped out. In my mind, as I sometimes do
in the case of sickness and injury, I formed a picture of it, and I
imagined it like a marble growing in the muscle. The sensation of
hardening would increase with each uncontrolled, unconscious step. The
impression was that if I stepped out with a full push, hitting the calf
muscle deeply, the loose knot would tighten and I'd be screwed. One day
it felt like it popped and I was unable to complete the workout. I
rested for about a week. During that time, I stretched the muscle at
every opportunity. I did calve raises on escalators; I stopped on
stairs and did a few. Then I resumed the running and jogging. But
here's what I did that was new. When I felt the knot forming, I didn't
push myself to keep going. At the point I felt a mild tug in my calf,
I'd stop, then find some way to stretch the muscle. For example, using
a sign post for balance, I'd stand on the tip of my toes on a curb to
get a full stretch, and do calve raises. I'd let the stretch go deep,
switching from controlling the stretch to relaxing into it and letting
gravity take the stretch to the limit of a full movement. Then I'd ride
the stretch, holding it for, like, ten breaths. This would pull the
newly forming knot loose, and I'd feel warmth in it, and then I'd resume
the run. When I felt the knot returning (and when I say "returning,"
I'm not talking about the full-blown debilitating knot; I'm catching it
before it gets that far), I again stopped and performed the exercise. I
continued in this manner for about a week or two, and eventually there
was no need for it at all. I do, however, still exercise on escalators,
and at the conclusion of a workout, I do full stretches on the street by
bending at the ankles with the feet flat, leaning against a telephone
pole, and holding for breaths of ten. I don't think I have to do it,
but I enjoy the sensation, the limbering.

The main thing to remember here is that you have to be honest with
yourself about what you're feeling. YOU have to keep in touch with that
muscle and know what's right for it. Don't get out there and try to
prove something that doesn't need proving. What you described sounds
exactly what was happening to me. What I just described cured the
problem.

--
_________________
Alric Knebel

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com

Alric Knebel [email protected] said:

Eigenvector said:

Been battling this one for about a month now. One day while running a got a
sudden cramp in the calf, unfortunately I stepped down on it before I could
stop myself and ended up pulling the muscle pretty badly. It was pretty
painful for a couple of days, but after that it was just stiff and sore. A
week later I tried running on it, it was somewhat tender, but nothing
terrible. As I ran it got worse and worse, and finally I decided to throw
in the towel - but not before I felt a wet popping in the side of my calf.
My leg gave out and I fell, picked myself up and limped home. So I've given
it a couple weeks, no pain, no stiffness, no obvious problems. Have even
done long bike rides with no ill effects. Today, got back on the horse, ran
about 100 feet and felt that same popping sensation - stopped before it got
painful. When I get back in the office tommorow I'll schedule an
appointment with my physical therapist, but to be honest this doesn't feel
like a torn achillies - no dents in the tendon, no lingering pain, no
problems walking or riding a bike.

I had this same thing happen to me, and it was the reason I found this
group, to pose exactly this same question. I eventually solved the
problem. To make sure that we're on the same page, I'll describe more
in detail what the pulled muscle feels like.

First, I'd returned to running after a two-year layoff. After I'd been
running for a while and was getting into it, I attempted to increase the
distance. I noticed at first a tendency of the calf muscle of my right
leg to knot. The sensation would intensify and I had to be
self-conscious about how I stepped out. In my mind, as I sometimes do
in the case of sickness and injury, I formed a picture of it, and I
imagined it like a marble growing in the muscle. The sensation of
hardening would increase with each uncontrolled, unconscious step. The
impression was that if I stepped out with a full push, hitting the calf
muscle deeply, the loose knot would tighten and I'd be screwed. One day
it felt like it popped and I was unable to complete the workout. I
rested for about a week. During that time, I stretched the muscle at
every opportunity. I did calve raises on escalators; I stopped on
stairs and did a few. Then I resumed the running and jogging. But
here's what I did that was new. When I felt the knot forming, I didn't
push myself to keep going. At the point I felt a mild tug in my calf,
I'd stop, then find some way to stretch the muscle. For example, using
a sign post for balance, I'd stand on the tip of my toes on a curb to
get a full stretch, and do calve raises. I'd let the stretch go deep,
switching from controlling the stretch to relaxing into it and letting
gravity take the stretch to the limit of a full movement. Then I'd ride
the stretch, holding it for, like, ten breaths. This would pull the
newly forming knot loose, and I'd feel warmth in it, and then I'd resume
the run. When I felt the knot returning (and when I say "returning,"
I'm not talking about the full-blown debilitating knot; I'm catching it
before it gets that far), I again stopped and performed the exercise. I
continued in this manner for about a week or two, and eventually there
was no need for it at all. I do, however, still exercise on escalators,
and at the conclusion of a workout, I do full stretches on the street by
bending at the ankles with the feet flat, leaning against a telephone
pole, and holding for breaths of ten. I don't think I have to do it,
but I enjoy the sensation, the limbering.

The main thing to remember here is that you have to be honest with
yourself about what you're feeling. YOU have to keep in touch with that
muscle and know what's right for it. Don't get out there and try to
prove something that doesn't need proving. What you described sounds
exactly what was happening to me. What I just described cured the
problem.

--
_________________
Alric Knebel

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.htmlhttp://www.ironeyefortress.com

I should've elaborated more. My injury was due to pulling my "personal
muscle", not from my prissy 3.5 mile runs. When it comes to "keeping
in touch with that muscle" i spend more time exercising that tint
little guy, than anything else in the world. It's not an easy job
either, you try holding a magnifying glass, tweezers, and still being
able to have a free finger to poke my [censored] with. Butt plugs and
vibrators work good though.
Anyways, all my issues cleard up when I cut back to 14 or 15 hours of
masturbation, but then some guy photo'ed his ass and I've been up for
4 days pulling my weed. So you should try cutting back first.

--
_________________
Alric Knebel

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com

Eigenvector said:

Been battling this one for about a month now. One day while running a got a
sudden cramp in the calf, unfortunately I stepped down on it before I could
stop myself and ended up pulling the muscle pretty badly. It was pretty

What pace do you do your training runs at and what are some of your race
times ? I remember you wer eposting here a while ago about trying to "squeeze
faster times" out of your training runs, that's why I'm asking. Hammering the
pace on all your training runs is a fast track to calf/achilles injury.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

Quoted message said:

I can't wait!

Quoted message said:

See my physique here:http://tinyurl.com/38c64l

LOL! Bill, did you remove the video? LOL! Why? You were so PROUD of
that he-man physique a few days ago. God, that was horrible.
Laughable, but horrible nonetheless.

You're too much, Bill. You really are. I noticed you removed your butt
pictures, too. Don't tell me you actually realized how stupid you
looked? I do think we've seen some progress. Soon you'll be able to
eat at the table with the grownups. LOL!

--
_________________
Alric Knebel

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com

Alric Knebel [email protected] said:

LOL! Bill, did you remove the video? LOL! Why? You were so PROUD of
that he-man physique a few days ago. God, that was horrible.
Laughable, but horrible nonetheless.

You're too much, Bill. You really are. I noticed you removed your butt
pictures, too. Don't tell me you actually realized how stupid you
looked? I do think we've seen some progress. Soon you'll be able to
eat at the table with the grownups. LOL!

--
_________________
Alric Knebel

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.htmlhttp://www.ironeyefortress.com

Please Bill, put them back up. As you can tell, within minutes of you
removing them, I noticed and posted asking to get them back. I know, i
know, i'm a pervert, but I stayed up for 4 days tuggin' my wee one on
those pics, and now I got viagra and extasy, and I'm rarin' to go at
my rock hard 1.5" weiner with a vengence!

--
_________________
Alric Knebel

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com

"Elflord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Eigenvector said:

Been battling this one for about a month now. One day while running a
got a
sudden cramp in the calf, unfortunately I stepped down on it before I
could
stop myself and ended up pulling the muscle pretty badly. It was pretty

What pace do you do your training runs at and what are some of your race
times ? I remember you wer eposting here a while ago about trying to
"squeeze
faster times" out of your training runs, that's why I'm asking. Hammering
the
pace on all your training runs is a fast track to calf/achilles injury.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

Well I won't disappoint you with some of my times, not really in the same
league as the serious runners who are regulars in the group.

Expanding on what one of the Knebels said, this particular second injury -
the one that has put me out, didn't have any precipitating sensations - but
I have to believe it was related to the injury that started the whole thing.
My physical therapist/family doctor indicated exactly what I thought he
would - stay off it, stretch *gently*, and stay on the bike to keep yourself
in shape while it heals. I think what Knebel iterated makes good sense.

The original injury was I believe due to heat exhaustion. The entire day I
was in the garden breaking up dirt with a mattock trying to get the garden
in shape for next year. I was pretty tired, but decided to run nonetheless.
I think partial heat exhaustion caused my calf to cramp and that's all she
wrote.

I have frequent trouble stretching my achillies and calf muscles well. The
problems I encounter is that they are far too flexible - which means I have
to adopt strange positions to stretch them well and often I think I will go
running without the benefit of evenly warmed up muscles due to that.

Actually I was moving furniture today and what do you know - my calf feels
like it was torn in half. So back to the bike it is and give it a month or
two to repair itself.

Eigenvector said:

I have frequent trouble stretching my achillies and calf muscles well. The
problems I encounter is that they are far too flexible - which means I have
to adopt strange positions to stretch them well and often I think I will go
running without the benefit of evenly warmed up muscles due to that.

Are we to understand that, prior to your run, you perform static
stretching of cold muscles? And further, that the stretches for your
cold calves are particularly contortionistic?

Let's ask our special guest host what he thinks of that practice.

http://darthno.ytmnd.com/

There you have it. You're not gonna argue with him, are ya?

Don't statically stretch before running. If you're gonna do it, do it
after, when your muscles are warm.

It might even be that you don't need to stretch muscles which are
already super flexible. Some runners never stretch. Some claim to
stop getting injured after they give up stretching. I can't speak to
that; I'm pretty tight all over and really gotta stretch a half dozen
muscles groups or so, or else.

To warm up those muscles before running, you might walk and/or jog
really slowly for a bit before moving to your regular training pace.
I feel these two parts of my routine help with pre-run muscular
warmup: (a) massage calves, quads, hams with The Stick; (b) a bit of
active stretching (about 10 repeats of 2 second stretches, per the
Whartons - http://www.whartonperformance.com/index2.html) and, if
nobody's looking, a little other moving and shaking e.g. Elvis-like
hip rotations.

Quoted message said:

Alric Knebel [email protected] said:

LOL! Bill, did you remove the video? LOL! Why? You were so PROUD of
that he-man physique a few days ago. God, that was horrible.
Laughable, but horrible nonetheless.

You're too much, Bill. You really are. I noticed you removed your butt
pictures, too. Don't tell me you actually realized how stupid you
looked? I do think we've seen some progress. Soon you'll be able to
eat at the table with the grownups. LOL!

--
_________________
Alric Knebel

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.htmlhttp://www.ironeyefortress.com

Please Bill, put them back up. As you can tell, within minutes of you
removing them, I noticed and posted asking to get them back. I know, i
know, i'm a pervert, but I stayed up for 4 days tuggin' my wee one on
those pics, and now I got viagra and extasy, and I'm rarin' to go at
my rock hard 1.5" weiner with a vengence!

If I was attracted to men, that disgusting physique of yours would fall
out of the acceptable range. But my point is, you REMOVED them, and you
removed them because I ridiculed you to all hell about. That's some
funny [censored], Billy. Some really funny [censored]. And remove them or not, you
were still stupid enough to post them to begin with. Dude, you're the
dumbest bum I've seen on the internet EVER.

--
_________________
Alric Knebel

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com

Alric Knebel [email protected] said:

Quoted message said:

On Aug 15, 10:09 pm, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

LOL! Bill, did you remove the video? LOL! Why? You were so PROUD of
that he-man physique a few days ago. God, that was horrible.
Laughable, but horrible nonetheless.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You're too much, Bill. You really are. I noticed you removed your butt
pictures, too. Don't tell me you actually realized how stupid you
looked? I do think we've seen some progress. Soon you'll be able to
eat at the table with the grownups. LOL!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

--
_________________
Alric Knebel

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.htmlhttp://www.ironeyefort...

Quoted message said:

Please Bill, put them back up. As you can tell, within minutes of you
removing them, I noticed and posted asking to get them back. I know, i
know, i'm a pervert, but I stayed up for 4 days tuggin' my wee one on
those pics, and now I got viagra and extasy, and I'm rarin' to go at
my rock hard 1.5" weiner with a vengence!

If I was attracted to men, that disgusting physique of yours would fall
out of the acceptable range. But my point is, you REMOVED them, and you
removed them because I ridiculed you to all hell about. That's some
funny [censored], Billy. Some really funny [censored]. And remove them or not, you
were still stupid enough to post them to begin with. Dude, you're the
dumbest bum I've seen on the internet EVER.

--
_________________
Alric Knebel

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.htmlhttp://www.ironeyefortress.com-

Once again folks I must apologize for my behavior. I am coming to
realize I may have a drinking problem, and my alchohol abuse is the
reason for my recent outbursts, under both my ID's, and masqueraing as
"[censored]".
I apologize, and will try to keep my postings down to once a day in
the earlier part of the day, before I get to my 12th beer, and start
to do shots with the 13th.
Your friend on the run,
--
_________________
Alric Knebel

http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com

Eigenvector said:

Well I won't disappoint you with some of my times, not really in the same
league as the serious runners who are regulars in the group.

I don't think you understood the question. And I think it's an important
question to consider, because pushing the pace too hard on training runs is
one of the main causes of injury in beginners, especially soft tissue injuries
(tendons and muscles)

If you don't want to post your times, that's fine. Allow me to try another
angle --

How much slower in minutes per mile is your typical training run, compared to
your 5k race pace ? Or if you like, how much slower is your training run pace
compared to an all-out pace for some other distance ?

Cheers,
--
Elflord

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Quoted message said:

Eigenvector said:

Well I won't disappoint you with some of my times, not really in the same
league as the serious runners who are regulars in the group.

I don't think you understood the question. And I think it's an important
question to consider, because pushing the pace too hard on training runs
is
one of the main causes of injury in beginners, especially soft tissue
injuries
(tendons and muscles)

If you don't want to post your times, that's fine. Allow me to try another
angle --

How much slower in minutes per mile is your typical training run, compared
to
your 5k race pace ? Or if you like, how much slower is your training run
pace
compared to an all-out pace for some other distance ?

Cheers,
--
Elflord

Its not a matter of embarrassment. I understand your question, now that
it's been restated. For that my normal pace is a shy over 10 min miles -
nice easy slow run. For faster runs its rarely gets under 9 minutes that
really depends on the weather and whatnot. I tend to run much slower in the
rain and on windy days. But as a whole I don't tend to have training days.
Generally its a nice slow pace, for a distance - distance doesn't matter
really, when the run gets progressively easier I'll either increase the
distance or increase the pace. I like to keep my runs at or near 45
minutes.

Eigenvector said:

Its not a matter of embarrassment. I understand your question, now that
it's been restated. For that my normal pace is a shy over 10 min miles -
nice easy slow run. For faster runs its rarely gets under 9 minutes that
really depends on the weather and whatnot. I tend to run much slower in the

That would seem reasonable. I'd suggest avoiding faster runs when getting back
into it. They really play badly with calf injuries.

When I talk about "training pace", I mean the pace of a "normal" run as opposed
to say an interval workout or a race which would be much faster.

There are two strategies to dealing with this -- you could take a long layoff
and just forget about running for say 6 months, then get back into it slowly.
This is what I did a few years back and it worked for me. A complete layoff
won't necessarily make you recover faster, but it will avoid the frustrations
that could come with having to baby yourself with short slow runs.

However, you can recover just as quickly but continuing to do some running, but
keeping both the mileage and pace down. You can recover just fine like this,
the only down side is that it requires some patience, because you will be doing
quite a lot of slow running, and not much mileage.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

"Elflord" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

However, you can recover just as quickly but continuing to do some
running, but
keeping both the mileage and pace down. You can recover just fine like
this,
the only down side is that it requires some patience, because you will be
doing
quite a lot of slow running, and not much mileage.

Ditto. But let me add one key point with regard to calf/Achilles injuries:
If you feel any pain or tightness, stop and walk.

You might find as it heals that you can jog on trails but not pavement, or
downhills but not uphills, etc. Follow the anti-pain dictum and you'll be
able to smoothly get back into shape as you heal.

I have found icing, several times a day for 2 minutes at a time to be
extremely helpful with lower leg injuries.

-- Dan

"Elflord" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Eigenvector said:

Its not a matter of embarrassment. I understand your question, now that
it's been restated. For that my normal pace is a shy over 10 min miles -
nice easy slow run. For faster runs its rarely gets under 9 minutes that
really depends on the weather and whatnot. I tend to run much slower in
the

That would seem reasonable. I'd suggest avoiding faster runs when getting
back
into it. They really play badly with calf injuries.

When I talk about "training pace", I mean the pace of a "normal" run as
opposed
to say an interval workout or a race which would be much faster.

There are two strategies to dealing with this -- you could take a long
layoff
and just forget about running for say 6 months, then get back into it
slowly.
This is what I did a few years back and it worked for me. A complete
layoff
won't necessarily make you recover faster, but it will avoid the
frustrations
that could come with having to baby yourself with short slow runs.

Man, 6 months without running would turn me into the Michelin Man. But on
the other hand, running on it when it isn't fully healed can damage it some
more - making it more prone to injury in the future. I'll take a look at
slowly easing back into it - giving it a month off, then taking long walks,
then hiking, then running if I can take it.

Thanks.

Quoted message said:

However, you can recover just as quickly but continuing to do some
running, but
keeping both the mileage and pace down. You can recover just fine like
this,
the only down side is that it requires some patience, because you will be
doing
quite a lot of slow running, and not much mileage.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

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However, you can recover just as quickly but continuing to do some
running, but
keeping both the mileage and pace down. You can recover just fine like
this,
the only down side is that it requires some patience, because you will be
doing
quite a lot of slow running, and not much mileage.

Ditto. But let me add one key point with regard to calf/Achilles
injuries: If you feel any pain or tightness, stop and walk.

You might find as it heals that you can jog on trails but not pavement, or
downhills but not uphills, etc. Follow the anti-pain dictum and you'll be
able to smoothly get back into shape as you heal.

I have found icing, several times a day for 2 minutes at a time to be
extremely helpful with lower leg injuries.

-- Dan

I think for now I'll stay on the bike to keep my cardio on track. Then as I
iterated above, do as you say, walk, then hike, then plod along.