Pool type

LC-M stands for long course - masters, and SC-M stands for short course - masters. A long course
pool is 50 meters, and short course is 25 meters. Masters, I suspect you already know about. For
beginners, there is little difference in which course is used. If you were training for olympic or
other sanctioned competition, then you should be in a long course pool. For amateurs and casual
swimming, the short course is just fine.

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What is the difference between LC-M and SC-M? I've only been swimming for about 6 mos and decided
to look at my local Masters Club webpage and I saw these two different pool types listed on a
competition page.

Actually, I don't know much about Masters swimming other than what I saw on the website for the
British Columbia Masters swimmers. It appears to me that it's for anybody over 20 years old and can
be recreational or competitive (?). I'm 44 years old. I started swimming in July to help with back
problems and I've been swimming usually 3 times per week (a few times only twice per week) and
enjoying it so much that I got curious about getting some lessons, or perhaps coaching, and that's
what led me to the Masters website. I've been swimming what I call "front crawl" - I don't know
what freestyle is, or "IM" either. Care to add some information/details about Masters swimming that
could help me?

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LC-M stands for long course - masters, and SC-M stands for short course - masters. A long course
pool is 50 meters, and short course is 25 meters. Masters, I suspect you already know about. For
beginners, there is little difference in which course is used. If you were training for olympic or
other sanctioned competition, then you should be in a long course pool.

For

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amateurs and casual swimming, the short course is just fine.

not to go contradictng anyone, but LCM and SCm stands for long course meters
(50m) and short course meters (25m) repectively, as opposed to SCY which is short course yards
(25 yards).

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What is the difference between LC-M and SC-M? I've only been swimming for about 6 mos and decided
to look at my local Masters Club webpage and I saw these two different pool types listed on a
competition page.

LC-M = Long course *meters* (as opposed to yards) SC-M = Short course *meters*

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LC-M stands for long course - masters, and SC-M stands for short course - masters. A long course
pool is 50 meters, and short course is 25 meters. Masters, I suspect you already know about. For
beginners, there is little difference in which course is used. If you were training for olympic or
other sanctioned competition, then you should be in a long course pool.

For

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amateurs and casual swimming, the short course is just fine.

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What is the difference between LC-M and SC-M? I've only been swimming for about 6 mos and
decided to look at my local Masters Club webpage and I saw these two different pool types
listed on

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competition page.

metres

not meters

and not masters !!

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LC-M stands for long course - masters, and SC-M stands for short course - masters. A long course
pool is 50 meters, and short course is 25 meters. Masters, I suspect you already know about. For
beginners, there is little difference in which course is used. If you were training for olympic or
other sanctioned competition, then you should be in a long course pool.

For

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amateurs and casual swimming, the short course is just fine.

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What is the difference between LC-M and SC-M? I've only been swimming for about 6 mos and
decided to look at my local Masters Club webpage and I saw these two different pool types
listed on

a

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competition page.

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LC-M stands for long course - masters, and SC-M stands for short course - masters. A long course
pool is 50 meters, and short course is 25 meters. Masters, I suspect you already know about. For
beginners,

No. Abbreviations like SCM and SCY are pool descriptions:

SCM == short course, meters == the pool is 25 meters long Once rare in the USA, common elsewhere.
Becoming more common in the USA.

LCM == long course, meters == the pool is 50 meters long Preferred for major meets. Rare. Expensive.

SCY == short course, yards == the pool is 25 yards long Common in the USA, non-existent elsewhere.

LCY == long course, yards == the pool is 50 yards long Very rare. Are there any of these
still in use?

None of this has anything to do with Masters competition. Masters teams, like any other team, use
whichever pools are available. In many communities in the USA, only an SCY pool is available.

This does force organizations in the USA (NCAA, US Swimming, USMS, etc) to keep separate record
books for events swum in yards or meters. Elsewhere, only metric pools exist so only metric
records are kept.

Ross

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Actually, I don't know much about Masters swimming other than what I saw on the website for the
British Columbia Masters swimmers. It appears to me that it's for anybody over 20 years old and
can be recreational or competitive (?). I'm 44 years old.

Welcome! You'll find that masters clubs tend to be very friendly, accepting new members at any
skill level.

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I've been swimming what I call "front crawl" - I don't know what freestyle is, or "IM" either.
Care to add some information/details about Masters swimming that could help me?

"Freestyle" is a category of events swum at all swim meets. It means the swimmers may swim any
stroke or combination of strokes. Most swimmers in freestyle events will choose to swim a variation
of the front crawl. But there's no restriction that says they must do so ( unless the event is a
medley event).

"Backstroke" events are similar to freestyle events, with the restriction that the event must be
swum on your back. A few years ago this rule was relaxed to allow swimmers to rotate onto their
bellies during a flip turn.

"IM" is the "Individual Medley" event, swum at most swim meets. Each swimmer must swim equal
distances of butterfly, backstroke, breaststroke, and freestyle.

(Note: In a medley event, the freestyle leg is restricted to any stroke or combination of strokes
that would not be legal in the first 3 legs of the race. Again, most swimmers choose to swim the
front crawl.)

Ross

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metres

not meters

Thankyou, (meters are what scientologists use).

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and not masters !!

I knew that.

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LC-M stands for long course - masters, and SC-M stands for short

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masters. A long course pool is 50 meters, and short course is 25 meters. Masters, I suspect you
already know about. For beginners, there is

little

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difference in which course is used. If you were training for olympic or other sanctioned
competition, then you should be in a long course pool.

For

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amateurs and casual swimming, the short course is just fine.

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What is the difference between LC-M and SC-M? I've only been swimming for about 6 mos and
decided to look at my

local

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Masters Club webpage and I saw these two different pool types listed

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competition page.

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LCY == long course, yards == the pool is 50 yards long Very rare. Are there any of these
still in use?

a High School here in WI recently build a LCY pool, (Homestead HS, Mequon). I'm still in shock they
did it. Great, they have 2 8-lane facilities for training, but the massive revenue they would have
gotten from being able to host championship meets is erm...a bit short-sighted.

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SCY == short course, yards == the pool is 25 yards long Common in the USA, non-existent elsewhere.

Not completely true. I know ONE SCY pool in France, in Antibes (See
://www.cnantibes.org/club/historique.html. Well, they have a LCM and a SCM, too...) I guess this is
the only one...

-- Olivier

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SCY == short course, yards == the pool is 25 yards long Common in the USA, non-existent
elsewhere.

Not completely true. I know ONE SCY pool in France, in Antibes (See
://www.cnantibes.org/club/historique.html. Well, they have a LCM and a SCM, too...) I guess this
is the only one...

One or two in the UK, all are very old. There are some 36 2/3 yard ones built in the early 60s
about, only 8" different to a 33.3Mpool.

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Olivier said:

Not completely true. I know ONE SCY pool in France, in Antibes (See
://www.cnantibes.org/club/historique.html. Well, they have a LCM and a SCM, too...) I guess this
is the only one...

One or two in the UK, all are very old. There are some 36 2/3 yard ones built in the early 60s
about, only 8" different to a 33.3Mpool.

Thanks! That's 3 in Europe that we know of, plus perhaps a few more that we don't know of. I guess
"non-existent" wasn't very far from correct.

Ross