Bridge

"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I heard on the news about a bridge having collapsed with a lot of people
hurt;(

I do hope no one here was involved!!

I was killed.

Ophelia said:

I heard on the news about a bridge having collapsed with a lot of
people hurt;(

I do hope no one here was involved!!

I wasn't, and so far no one I know was anywhere near there.

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"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I heard on the news about a bridge having collapsed with a lot of people
hurt;(

I do hope no one here was involved!!

I was killed.

I thought that was you.

--Blair
"Who gets your room?"

Dan Goodman said:

Ophelia said:

I heard on the news about a bridge having collapsed with a lot of
people hurt;(

I do hope no one here was involved!!

I wasn't, and so far no one I know was anywhere near there.

Good! The pictures are terrifying🙁

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Ophelia said:

Dan Goodman said:

Ophelia said:

I heard on the news about a bridge having collapsed with a lot of
people hurt;(

I do hope no one here was involved!!

I wasn't, and so far no one I know was anywhere near there.

Good! The pictures are terrifying🙁

IH-35 does run thru Texas...
I drive it every night to work.

Those pictures were indeed scary.
I don't think that that bridge was designed for rush hour traffic when
it was built. It was pretty old.

OB food, wonder how many were munching breakfast when they got caught in
that mess?
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Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ophelia said:

Dan Goodman said:

Ophelia wrote:

> I heard on the news about a bridge having collapsed with a lot of
> people hurt;(
>
> I do hope no one here was involved!!

I wasn't, and so far no one I know was anywhere near there.

Good! The pictures are terrifying🙁

IH-35 does run thru Texas...
I drive it every night to work.

OH OM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted message said:

Those pictures were indeed scary.
I don't think that that bridge was designed for rush hour traffic when
it was built. It was pretty old.

OB food, wonder how many were munching breakfast when they got caught
in that mess?

Omelet said:

Those pictures were indeed scary.
I don't think that that bridge was designed for rush hour traffic when
it was built. It was pretty old.

Of course it was built for rush hour traffic. Bridges are designed to carry
as much weight as it takes to fill all lanes completely. In fact, they are
usually designed to support about double the maximum expected, which should
leave a huge margin of error. Unfortunately, this was one which was built
without any structural redundancy which would have provided for another
part of the structure to compensate for the failure of another. As a
result, when one section fails the whole thing collapses.

The bridge was not that old. It was only 40 years old. That is relatively
young for a bridge. Bridges are not built to have a specific life and then
torn down and replaced. There are ongoing maintenance programs to detect
weaknesses and repair them. The Peace Bridge between Buffalo NY and Fort
Erie Ont. is 80 years old and it still has the original deck. That is quite
an engineering feat, but they were able to do it because of regular and
thorough maintenance work.

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Dave Smith said:

Omelet said:

Those pictures were indeed scary.
I don't think that that bridge was designed for rush hour traffic when
it was built. It was pretty old.

Of course it was built for rush hour traffic. Bridges are designed to carry
as much weight as it takes to fill all lanes completely. In fact, they are
usually designed to support about double the maximum expected, which should
leave a huge margin of error. Unfortunately, this was one which was built
without any structural redundancy which would have provided for another
part of the structure to compensate for the failure of another. As a
result, when one section fails the whole thing collapses.

The bridge was not that old. It was only 40 years old. That is relatively
young for a bridge. Bridges are not built to have a specific life and then
torn down and replaced. There are ongoing maintenance programs to detect
weaknesses and repair them. The Peace Bridge between Buffalo NY and Fort
Erie Ont. is 80 years old and it still has the original deck. That is quite
an engineering feat, but they were able to do it because of regular and
thorough maintenance work.

So who is going to hang for this?

Seems to me it would have been a team effort...

I rather like the Japanese philosophy.
Fix the problem, not the blame.
--
Peace, Om

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my daughter-in-laws' mother, crossed that bridge 45 minutes before the
collapse, on her usual route across state.

"Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Smith said:

Omelet said:

Those pictures were indeed scary.
I don't think that that bridge was designed for rush hour traffic when
it was built. It was pretty old.

Of course it was built for rush hour traffic. Bridges are designed to carry
as much weight as it takes to fill all lanes completely. In fact, they are
usually designed to support about double the maximum expected, which should
leave a huge margin of error. Unfortunately, this was one which was built
without any structural redundancy which would have provided for another
part of the structure to compensate for the failure of another. As a
result, when one section fails the whole thing collapses.

The bridge was not that old. It was only 40 years old. That is relatively
young for a bridge. Bridges are not built to have a specific life and then
torn down and replaced. There are ongoing maintenance programs to detect
weaknesses and repair them. The Peace Bridge between Buffalo NY and Fort
Erie Ont. is 80 years old and it still has the original deck. That is quite
an engineering feat, but they were able to do it because of regular and
thorough maintenance work.

So who is going to hang for this?

Seems to me it would have been a team effort...

I rather like the Japanese philosophy.
Fix the problem, not the blame.

Metal fatigue starts from the moment a structure is built.
Bridges, buildings, airplanes and everything else designed
to support human beings are engineered to withstand only
so much before failing. They are kept alive by routine
maintenance -- stripping and painting, repaving and
repair, replacement or reinforcement of components as
fatigue cracks develop.

This bridge had a history of *not* being maintained. The
responsible authorities, instead of repairing it as needed,
decided simply to inspect it more often. The choice was
intended to save money. Unfortunately, during the last
six years virtually every available dollar has been spent
on the Bush war and on pork (OB: rfc). Almost nothing
has been spent on things like repairing infrastructure --
roads, bridges, levees. Even less is spent enforcing
things like mine safety. As a result, Americans are dying
needlessly in horrific accidents, not to mention Iraq.

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In article <hbCzi.7$ku.2@trnddc03>,

Robert L Bass said:

Quoted message said:

I rather like the Japanese philosophy.
Fix the problem, not the blame.

Metal fatigue starts from the moment a structure is built.
Bridges, buildings, airplanes and everything else designed
to support human beings are engineered to withstand only
so much before failing. They are kept alive by routine
maintenance -- stripping and painting, repaving and
repair, replacement or reinforcement of components as
fatigue cracks develop.

This bridge had a history of *not* being maintained. The
responsible authorities, instead of repairing it as needed,
decided simply to inspect it more often. The choice was
intended to save money. Unfortunately, during the last
six years virtually every available dollar has been spent
on the Bush war and on pork (OB: rfc). Almost nothing
has been spent on things like repairing infrastructure --
roads, bridges, levees. Even less is spent enforcing
things like mine safety. As a result, Americans are dying
needlessly in horrific accidents, not to mention Iraq.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Fix the problem, not the blame...
--
Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson