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    News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007

    Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast 122nd
    Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters a
    direct -- and safe -- route downtown.

    Because of the unstinting efforts of dreamers like him, the proposed
    Sullivan's Gulch Corridor Trail is a quarter of a million dollars closer
    to reality. In March, Metro, through the Metropolitan Transportation
    Improvement Program, contributed $224,000 to study the engineering
    problems, legal obstacles and construction costs. The city donated an
    additional $26,000.

    Perkins, an Irvington resident, hopes the future trail will encourage
    more Portlanders to ride their bikes. He says many would-be riders are
    frankly afraid to share the street with cars and trucks, even in marked
    bike lanes. The Sullivan's Gulch trail would give bicyclists their own
    thoroughfare.

    The proposed route will follow the north slope of Sullivan's Gulch above
    Interstate 84 and the eastside MAX line and stitch together such parcels
    as vacant property under overpasses.

    Some day, Perkins sees bicyclists jumping on the trail near the Lloyd
    District, riding past Hollywood and landing at the Gateway Transit
    Center. The path passes under more than 17 overpasses and by 10
    neighborhoods.

    Perkins said the city will push for easements through areas that are
    densely covered with parking lots, warehouses and railroad tracks.

    Decade of dreaming

    Bicycling advocates have long eyed a Sullivan's Gulch corridor as a
    possible off-street bikeway. In 1996, the route was included in
    Portland's Bicycle Master Plan, but it remained an unpaved idea. A group
    of Portland State University students designed an engineering plan for
    the Sullivan's Gulch Corridor Trail as a class project. Again, nothing
    happened.

    And finally one day, Perkins peered out of a MAX train window and saw
    the "industrial wasteland" below him as a biker's dream. Amid freight
    trains and a barren landscape, he saw the possibilities for a bike path
    that was safe and convenient.

    So he organized a seven-member Sullivan's Gulch Corridor Trail
    Committee, which met once a week for 18 months to do the grass-roots
    organization. They notified 23 neighborhood associations, designed
    brochures and recruited local officials such as Metro Councilor Rex
    Burkholder to support the program.

    In March, all the work paid off when Metro approved the study grant.
    Perkin's committee had turned a PSU class assignment into a city
    project.

    "You can make what you visualize a reality," Perkins said. "You just
    have to do a lot of work."

    Now Portland Parks & Recreation, with Metro as a partner, is taking the
    lead on the project and will start the study in fall 2009. Perkins said
    he hopes the city completes the plan within that year because he hopes
    to see commuters on the trail in five.

    Avid Portland biker Chris Achterman is ready to test the trail on his
    lime green Trek bicycle, but he said the proposed bike trail can offer
    more than recreation. Achterman said the 16- to 20-foot wide path will
    nudge property owners to give abandoned areas under overpasses a
    face-lift, so MAX riders coming from the airport can peer down at more
    pleasing views than discarded shopping carts and dead auto parts.

    "The overpass at Sullivan's Gulch is ugly and full of junk, you don't
    necessarily see our best side," he said. With the trail "visitors will
    see Portland as this bike crazy town."

    Property payoff

    Perkins said the bikeway will serve property owners, too. As more people
    pass through the area, he predicts that property values will rise. "It's
    all this land not being used to its full potential," he said.

    Guy Kyle of Sullivan's Gulch Neighborhood Association said the trail
    might entice some Portlanders to switch from a car to a bike.

    "When you're on the bicycle you can feel threatened by the traffic,"
    Kyle said. Until that day, Perkins will ride around in his candy red
    Toyota Camry Hybrid while his bike collects dust in the garage.

    ~

  2. On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:43:53 -0700, [email hidden] (~ Paul Berg ~)

    Quoted message said:

    ~

    News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007

    Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast 122nd
    Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters a
    direct -- and safe -- route downtown. ...

    Sounds like a Fine Idea! A bike path that is something more than just
    lines painted on a city street.

    Drivers and cyclists ought to be pleased with such an outcome.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net said:

    On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:43:53 -0700, [email hidden] (~ Paul Berg ~)

    Quoted message said:

    ~

    News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007

    Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast 122nd
    Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters a
    direct -- and safe -- route downtown. ...

    Sounds like a Fine Idea! A bike path that is something more than just
    lines painted on a city street.

    Drivers and cyclists ought to be pleased with such an outcome.

    This should be a bike/pedestrian path otherwise it wont fly.

    --
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
    carrying a cross."
    Sinclair Lewis

  4. On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:51:54 -0700, Ockham's Razor <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net said:

    On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:43:53 -0700, [email hidden] (~ Paul Berg ~)

    Quoted message said:

    ~

    News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007

    Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast 122nd
    Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters a
    direct -- and safe -- route downtown. ...

    Sounds like a Fine Idea! A bike path that is something more than just
    lines painted on a city street.

    Drivers and cyclists ought to be pleased with such an outcome.

    This should be a bike/pedestrian path otherwise it wont fly.

    More than likely it will function in Precisely that way.

  5. Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net said:

    On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:43:53 -0700, [email hidden] (~ Paul Berg ~)

    Quoted message said:

    ~

    News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007

    Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast
    122nd Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters
    a direct -- and safe -- route downtown. ...

    Sounds like a Fine Idea! A bike path that is something more than just
    lines painted on a city street.

    There ar a Lot of them in the more Progressive Communities of the
    Portland SMSA.

    Quoted message said:


    Drivers and cyclists ought to be pleased with such an outcome.

  6. On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:43:53 -0700, [email hidden] (~ Paul Berg ~)

    Quoted message said:

    ~

    News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007

    Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast 122nd
    Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters a
    direct -- and safe -- route downtown.

    Because of the unstinting efforts of dreamers like him, the proposed
    Sullivan's Gulch Corridor Trail is a quarter of a million dollars closer
    to reality. In March, Metro, through the Metropolitan Transportation
    Improvement Program, contributed $224,000 to study the engineering
    problems, legal obstacles and construction costs. The city donated an
    additional $26,000.

    Perkins, an Irvington resident, hopes the future trail will encourage
    more Portlanders to ride their bikes. He says many would-be riders are
    frankly afraid to share the street with cars and trucks, even in marked
    bike lanes. The Sullivan's Gulch trail would give bicyclists their own
    thoroughfare.

    The proposed route will follow the north slope of Sullivan's Gulch above
    Interstate 84 and the eastside MAX line and stitch together such parcels
    as vacant property under overpasses.

    Some day, Perkins sees bicyclists jumping on the trail near the Lloyd
    District, riding past Hollywood and landing at the Gateway Transit
    Center. The path passes under more than 17 overpasses and by 10
    neighborhoods.

    Perkins said the city will push for easements through areas that are
    densely covered with parking lots, warehouses and railroad tracks.

    Decade of dreaming

    Bicycling advocates have long eyed a Sullivan's Gulch corridor as a
    possible off-street bikeway. In 1996, the route was included in
    Portland's Bicycle Master Plan, but it remained an unpaved idea. A group
    of Portland State University students designed an engineering plan for
    the Sullivan's Gulch Corridor Trail as a class project. Again, nothing
    happened.

    And finally one day, Perkins peered out of a MAX train window and saw
    the "industrial wasteland" below him as a biker's dream. Amid freight
    trains and a barren landscape, he saw the possibilities for a bike path
    that was safe and convenient.

    So he organized a seven-member Sullivan's Gulch Corridor Trail
    Committee, which met once a week for 18 months to do the grass-roots
    organization. They notified 23 neighborhood associations, designed
    brochures and recruited local officials such as Metro Councilor Rex
    Burkholder to support the program.

    In March, all the work paid off when Metro approved the study grant.
    Perkin's committee had turned a PSU class assignment into a city
    project.

    "You can make what you visualize a reality," Perkins said. "You just
    have to do a lot of work."

    Now Portland Parks & Recreation, with Metro as a partner, is taking the
    lead on the project and will start the study in fall 2009. Perkins said
    he hopes the city completes the plan within that year because he hopes
    to see commuters on the trail in five.

    Avid Portland biker Chris Achterman is ready to test the trail on his
    lime green Trek bicycle, but he said the proposed bike trail can offer
    more than recreation. Achterman said the 16- to 20-foot wide path will
    nudge property owners to give abandoned areas under overpasses a
    face-lift, so MAX riders coming from the airport can peer down at more
    pleasing views than discarded shopping carts and dead auto parts.

    "The overpass at Sullivan's Gulch is ugly and full of junk, you don't
    necessarily see our best side," he said. With the trail "visitors will
    see Portland as this bike crazy town."

    Property payoff

    Perkins said the bikeway will serve property owners, too. As more people
    pass through the area, he predicts that property values will rise. "It's
    all this land not being used to its full potential," he said.

    Guy Kyle of Sullivan's Gulch Neighborhood Association said the trail
    might entice some Portlanders to switch from a car to a bike.

    "When you're on the bicycle you can feel threatened by the traffic,"
    Kyle said. Until that day, Perkins will ride around in his candy red
    Toyota Camry Hybrid while his bike collects dust in the garage.

    Sounds great...Spring Water bike path (no motorized vehicles allowed)
    is great. Plus tons of black berries are ready for the picken.

    More dedicated bike paths are needed...and also wouldn't it be nice if
    whatever government is in charge of such things would add a bike tax
    to help finance it...kind of like how motorists help pay for road
    usages through some kind of taxes.

    Quoted message said:


    ~

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (~ Paul Berg ~) said:

    ~

    News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007

    ....

    Quoted message said:

    Property payoff

    Perkins said the bikeway will serve property owners, too. As more people
    pass through the area, he predicts that property values will rise. "It's
    all this land not being used to its full potential," he said.

    Sometimes people who are opposed to bike paths advance
    the argument that they'd attract and facilitate crime.

    In reality, and to the contrary, bike paths and the
    traffic they generate serve to remove the furtive
    environments in which crime thrives. Bike paths enhance
    adjacent neighbourhoods' security, as well as intrinsic
    property values.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  8. Ockham's Razor said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net said:

    On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:43:53 -0700, [email hidden] (~ Paul Berg ~)
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ~

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast 122nd
    Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters a
    direct -- and safe -- route downtown. ...

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like a Fine Idea! A bike path that is something more than just
    lines painted on a city street.

    Quoted message said:

    Drivers and cyclists ought to be pleased with such an outcome.

    This should be a bike/pedestrian path otherwise it wont fly.

    Frankly, this city needs some pedestrian-free bicycle corridors. For
    that matter, Springwater Corridor needs some sidewalks. There's too
    much bicycle traffic for that to be safe for bicycles or pedestrians
    much longer without them.

  9. Dan S. Milagros said:

    On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:43:53 -0700, [email hidden] (~ Paul Berg ~)

    Quoted message said:

    ~

    Quoted message said:

    News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007

    Quoted message said:

    Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast 122nd
    Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters a
    direct -- and safe -- route downtown.

    Quoted message said:

    Because of the unstinting efforts of dreamers like him, the proposed
    Sullivan's Gulch Corridor Trail is a quarter of a million dollars closer
    to reality. In March, Metro, through the Metropolitan Transportation
    Improvement Program, contributed $224,000 to study the engineering
    problems, legal obstacles and construction costs. The city donated an
    additional $26,000.

    Quoted message said:

    Perkins, an Irvington resident, hopes the future trail will encourage
    more Portlanders to ride their bikes. He says many would-be riders are
    frankly afraid to share the street with cars and trucks, even in marked
    bike lanes. The Sullivan's Gulch trail would give bicyclists their own
    thoroughfare.

    Quoted message said:

    The proposed route will follow the north slope of Sullivan's Gulch above
    Interstate 84 and the eastside MAX line and stitch together such parcels
    as vacant property under overpasses.

    Quoted message said:

    Some day, Perkins sees bicyclists jumping on the trail near the Lloyd
    District, riding past Hollywood and landing at the Gateway Transit
    Center. The path passes under more than 17 overpasses and by 10
    neighborhoods.

    Quoted message said:

    Perkins said the city will push for easements through areas that are
    densely covered with parking lots, warehouses and railroad tracks.

    Quoted message said:

    Decade of dreaming

    Quoted message said:

    Bicycling advocates have long eyed a Sullivan's Gulch corridor as a
    possible off-street bikeway. In 1996, the route was included in
    Portland's Bicycle Master Plan, but it remained an unpaved idea. A group
    of Portland State University students designed an engineering plan for
    the Sullivan's Gulch Corridor Trail as a class project. Again, nothing
    happened.

    Quoted message said:

    And finally one day, Perkins peered out of a MAX train window and saw
    the "industrial wasteland" below him as a biker's dream. Amid freight
    trains and a barren landscape, he saw the possibilities for a bike path
    that was safe and convenient.

    Quoted message said:

    So he organized a seven-member Sullivan's Gulch Corridor Trail
    Committee, which met once a week for 18 months to do the grass-roots
    organization. They notified 23 neighborhood associations, designed
    brochures and recruited local officials such as Metro Councilor Rex
    Burkholder to support the program.

    Quoted message said:

    In March, all the work paid off when Metro approved the study grant.
    Perkin's committee had turned a PSU class assignment into a city
    project.

    Quoted message said:

    "You can make what you visualize a reality," Perkins said. "You just
    have to do a lot of work."

    Quoted message said:

    Now Portland Parks & Recreation, with Metro as a partner, is taking the
    lead on the project and will start the study in fall 2009. Perkins said
    he hopes the city completes the plan within that year because he hopes
    to see commuters on the trail in five.

    Quoted message said:

    Avid Portland biker Chris Achterman is ready to test the trail on his
    lime green Trek bicycle, but he said the proposed bike trail can offer
    more than recreation. Achterman said the 16- to 20-foot wide path will
    nudge property owners to give abandoned areas under overpasses a
    face-lift, so MAX riders coming from the airport can peer down at more
    pleasing views than discarded shopping carts and dead auto parts.

    Quoted message said:

    "The overpass at Sullivan's Gulch is ugly and full of junk, you don't
    necessarily see our best side," he said. With the trail "visitors will
    see Portland as this bike crazy town."

    Quoted message said:

    Property payoff

    Quoted message said:

    Perkins said the bikeway will serve property owners, too. As more people
    pass through the area, he predicts that property values will rise. "It's
    all this land not being used to its full potential," he said.

    Quoted message said:

    Guy Kyle of Sullivan's Gulch Neighborhood Association said the trail
    might entice some Portlanders to switch from a car to a bike.

    Quoted message said:

    "When you're on the bicycle you can feel threatened by the traffic,"
    Kyle said. Until that day, Perkins will ride around in his candy red
    Toyota Camry Hybrid while his bike collects dust in the garage.

    Sounds great...Spring Water bike path (no motorized vehicles allowed)
    is great. Plus tons of black berries are ready for the picken.

    More dedicated bike paths are needed...and also wouldn't it be nice if
    whatever government is in charge of such things would add a bike tax
    to help finance it...kind of like how motorists help pay for road
    usages through some kind of taxes.

    Let us not forget that roads are something motorists are merely
    privleged to.

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Paul Johnson said:
    Ockham's Razor said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Don Homuth dhomuthoneatcomcast.net said:

    On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:43:53 -0700, [email hidden] (~ Paul Berg ~)
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    >~

    Quoted message said:

    >News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007

    Quoted message said:

    >Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    >Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast 122nd
    >Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters a
    >direct -- and safe -- route downtown. ...

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like a Fine Idea! A bike path that is something more than just
    lines painted on a city street.

    Quoted message said:

    Drivers and cyclists ought to be pleased with such an outcome.

    This should be a bike/pedestrian path otherwise it wont fly.

    Frankly, this city needs some pedestrian-free bicycle corridors. For
    that matter, Springwater Corridor needs some sidewalks. There's too
    much bicycle traffic for that to be safe for bicycles or pedestrians
    much longer without them.

    True, it would be wonderful if there were both car and truck corridors
    also. But that is not to be. Cars and trucks will be mixed and bikes
    and peds also. Unless the bikers want to fund some of their own paths.

    I have lost every vestige of understanding for bike people and their
    tribulations as I have been accosted many times while trying to walk on
    a bike/ped path. Two days ago walking with a 5 year old grand child, a
    biker came up behind us and when about five feet away (unseen or warned)
    he screamed "watch out" as he sped by at about 25 mph. I have been
    forced into the bushes several times by bikers riding side by side and
    simply bearing down on me with apparently every intention of hitting me
    if I did not yield to them.

    I have now taken to walking with a 5 foot heavy pole (from a closet)
    which I carry side ways. that way they can tangle with it or give me
    some room.

    --
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
    carrying a cross."
    Sinclair Lewis

  11. Ockham's Razor said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Paul Johnson said:
    Ockham's Razor said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:

    > On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:43:53 -0700, [email hidden] (~ Paul Berg ~)
    > wrote:
    >> ~
    >> News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007
    >> Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    >> Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast 122nd
    >> Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters a
    >> direct -- and safe -- route downtown. ...
    > Sounds like a Fine Idea! A bike path that is something more than just
    > lines painted on a city street.
    > Drivers and cyclists ought to be pleased with such an outcome.
    This should be a bike/pedestrian path otherwise it wont fly.


    Frankly, this city needs some pedestrian-free bicycle corridors. For
    that matter, Springwater Corridor needs some sidewalks. There's too
    much bicycle traffic for that to be safe for bicycles or pedestrians
    much longer without them.

    True, it would be wonderful if there were both car and truck corridors
    also. But that is not to be. Cars and trucks will be mixed and bikes
    and peds also. Unless the bikers want to fund some of their own paths.

    I have lost every vestige of understanding for bike people and their
    tribulations as I have been accosted many times while trying to walk on
    a bike/ped path. Two days ago walking with a 5 year old grand child, a
    biker came up behind us and when about five feet away (unseen or warned)
    he screamed "watch out" as he sped by at about 25 mph. I have been
    forced into the bushes several times by bikers riding side by side and
    simply bearing down on me with apparently every intention of hitting me
    if I did not yield to them.

    I have now taken to walking with a 5 foot heavy pole (from a closet)
    which I carry side ways. that way they can tangle with it or give me
    some room.

    Real cyclists ride on the roads when they want to get somewhere, not on
    the linear parks.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Tom \'Johnny Sunset\' Sherman said:
    Ockham's Razor said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Paul Johnson said:

    On Aug 2, 9:51 am, Ockham's Razor <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >> On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:43:53 -0700, [email hidden] (~ Paul Berg ~)
    >> wrote:
    >>> ~
    >>> News Article from The (Portland) Oregonian - August 2, 2007
    >>> Brad Perkins has long envisioned a bike path stretching 4.3 miles from
    >>> Portland Peace Memorial Park beside the Steel Bridge to Northeast 122nd
    >>> Avenue along Sullivan's Gulch, giving eastside bicycle commuters a
    >>> direct -- and safe -- route downtown. ...
    >> Sounds like a Fine Idea! A bike path that is something more than just
    >> lines painted on a city street.
    >> Drivers and cyclists ought to be pleased with such an outcome.
    > This should be a bike/pedestrian path otherwise it wont fly.
    Frankly, this city needs some pedestrian-free bicycle corridors. For
    that matter, Springwater Corridor needs some sidewalks. There's too
    much bicycle traffic for that to be safe for bicycles or pedestrians
    much longer without them.

    True, it would be wonderful if there were both car and truck corridors
    also. But that is not to be. Cars and trucks will be mixed and bikes
    and peds also. Unless the bikers want to fund some of their own paths.

    I have lost every vestige of understanding for bike people and their
    tribulations as I have been accosted many times while trying to walk on
    a bike/ped path. Two days ago walking with a 5 year old grand child, a
    biker came up behind us and when about five feet away (unseen or warned)
    he screamed "watch out" as he sped by at about 25 mph. I have been
    forced into the bushes several times by bikers riding side by side and
    simply bearing down on me with apparently every intention of hitting me
    if I did not yield to them.

    I have now taken to walking with a 5 foot heavy pole (from a closet)
    which I carry side ways. that way they can tangle with it or give me
    some room.

    Real cyclists ride on the roads when they want to get somewhere, not on
    the linear parks.

    You might consider that this thread concerns a bike corridor along a
    free way. Not a way thru a park.

    --
    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
    carrying a cross."
    Sinclair Lewis

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