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jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul
collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River. Please check
in and let us know you're okay!

Jill

Looks pretty bad, not just one section falling, the whole damn thing
came down. Already three confirmed fatalities and I don't think they
even have any info back from divers yet.

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jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul
collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River. Please check
in and let us know you're okay!

Jill

We are fine, The bridge is about 17 miles north of us. It is one Rob
crosses to go to the University and that I cross to visit my family on
that end of town. It's a [censored] catastrophe. Emergency crews are
performing like champs. Thanks for asking.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul
collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River. Please check
in and let us know you're okay!

And that was from the '60s. I'd think there were lot of older bridges
still carrying traffic.

--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

In article <[email hidden]>, "Pete C." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul
collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River. Please check
in and let us know you're okay!

Jill

Looks pretty bad, not just one section falling, the whole damn thing
came down. Already three confirmed fatalities and I don't think they
even have any info back from divers yet.

Large parts of the infrastructure here in the states are poorly
maintained, yet billions of dollars are sent to Iraq. Insane! I am truly
sorry for the families who lost people in that bridge collapse.

Stan Horwitz said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Pete C." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul
collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River. Please check
in and let us know you're okay!

Jill

Looks pretty bad, not just one section falling, the whole damn thing
came down. Already three confirmed fatalities and I don't think they
even have any info back from divers yet.

Large parts of the infrastructure here in the states are poorly
maintained, yet billions of dollars are sent to Iraq. Insane! I am truly
sorry for the families who lost people in that bridge collapse.

The billions sent to Iraq are a drop in the bucket and while not being
particularly well spent are at least being thrown in the direction of a
very real threat. A good chunk of our tax dollars are being wasted on
well intentioned but counterproductive "humanitarian aid". The largest
portion of our tax dollars however are being wasted right here in the
US.

"Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul
collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River. Please
check
in and let us know you're okay!

Jill

We are fine, The bridge is about 17 miles north of us. It is one Rob
crosses to go to the University and that I cross to visit my family on
that end of town. It's a [censored] catastrophe. Emergency crews are
performing like champs. Thanks for asking.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ

Getting out the candles....beads ain't part of it here.
Love,
Edrena

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Joneses said:

"Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul
collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River. Please
check
in and let us know you're okay!

Jill

We are fine, The bridge is about 17 miles north of us. It is one Rob
crosses to go to the University and that I cross to visit my family on
that end of town. It's a [censored] catastrophe. Emergency crews are
performing like champs. Thanks for asking.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ

Getting out the candles....beads ain't part of it here.
Love,
Edrena

Light a bonfire, Girlfriend. This is going to make for one helluva mess
for a long time. That's a major thoroughfare from the downtown area to
a lot of places north and to the U. Just learned that my grandnephew (a
champion swimmer) is on the dive team ‹ he got certified yesterday. :-)
Another freakin' adrenalin junkie in the family. Hotter'n Hades,
too. They've moved from rescue to recovery. Uffda. Sixty youngsters
were on a bus that was involved. All safe, some injured. It's a
murrcle. Newscasters have now moved to the stupid commentary and appear
to be playing chicken as to who's going to return to regular scheduled
programming first.

Rob's got his alternate route to the U already figured out. Still a
month before he has to use it.

God be with them.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St.
Paul collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River.
Please check in and let us know you're okay!

I was nowhere near that bridge, and I have an alibi!

--
Dan Goodman
"You, each of you, have some special wild cards. Play with them.
Find out what makes you different and better. Because it is there,
if only you can find it." Vernor Vinge, _Rainbows End_
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Melba's Jammin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St.
Paul collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River.
Please check in and let us know you're okay!

Jill

We are fine, The bridge is about 17 miles north of us. It is one Rob
crosses to go to the University and that I cross to visit my family on
that end of town. It's a [censored] catastrophe. Emergency crews are
performing like champs. Thanks for asking.

Wow, I haven't had the news on, so thanks for reporting this Jill. Barb, I
hope your family and friends are okay. Anyone else in the area, I also pray
for your loved ones.

kili

Melba's Jammin said:

We are fine, The bridge is about 17 miles north of us. It is one Rob
crosses to go to the University and that I cross to visit my family on
that end of town. It's a [censored] catastrophe. Emergency crews are
performing like champs. Thanks for asking.

Glad to hear that you and yours were not involved. I imagine that will mess
up traffic in the area for a while.

FWIW... I just took a look at the bridge on Goole Maps and the bridge looks
a little funky. It seems to have a bit of a wow to the right (east) right
about the middle of the river. I thought perhaps it was arched, but the
shadow in the water looks straight.

kilikini said:

Melba's Jammin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St.
Paul collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River.
Please check in and let us know you're okay!

We are fine, The bridge is about 17 miles north of us. It is one
Rob crosses to go to the University and that I cross to visit my
family on that end of town. It's a [censored] catastrophe. Emergency
crews are performing like champs. Thanks for asking.

Wow, I haven't had the news on, so thanks for reporting this Jill.
Barb, I hope your family and friends are okay. Anyone else in the
area, I also pray for your loved ones.

I heard about it on LiveJournal.

--
Dan Goodman
"You, each of you, have some special wild cards. Play with them.
Find out what makes you different and better. Because it is there,
if only you can find it." Vernor Vinge, _Rainbows End_
Journal http://dsgood.livejournal.com
Futures http://dangoodman.livejournal.com
Links http://del.icio.us/dsgood

"Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul
collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River. Please check
in and let us know you're okay!

Jill

We are fine, The bridge is about 17 miles north of us. It is one Rob
crosses to go to the University and that I cross to visit my family on
that end of town. It's a [censored] catastrophe. Emergency crews are
performing like champs. Thanks for asking.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

SO glad to hear it, Barb. I was on the phone earlier with Sheila, who had been
calling her kids and my brothers to make sure they were all ok too. My heart goes out
to everyone involved, especially the missing and deceased.

kimberly

Dave Smith said:

Melba's Jammin said:

We are fine, The bridge is about 17 miles north of us. It is one Rob
crosses to go to the University and that I cross to visit my family
on that end of town. It's a [censored] catastrophe. Emergency crews
are performing like champs. Thanks for asking.

Glad to hear that you and yours were not involved. I imagine that
will mess up traffic in the area for a while.

FWIW... I just took a look at the bridge on Goole Maps and the bridge
looks a little funky. It seems to have a bit of a wow to the right
(east) right about the middle of the river. I thought perhaps it was
arched, but the shadow in the water looks straight.

It's not arched and it was pretty darned straight. John and I crossed that
bridge quite a bit last year when we were there doing an art show. He's
(and maybe me) supposed to be back up there in September for the Edina
show... he doesn't know about this disaster yet. Candles lit for the
families of those affected.

Jill

Blinky the Shark said:

jmcquown said:

I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul
collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River. Please check
in and let us know you're okay!

And that was from the '60s. I'd think there were lot of older bridges
still carrying traffic.

--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

This morning they're saying that the design was one that (hopefully)
was not repeated very often. No pylons, and no suspension supports
for a large chunk of the span, just the roadbed and beams under it for
support. My guess is the current work which had lanes closed put too
much stress on one side of the highway. Lots of barge traffic in the
area, so they didn't want to impede or put too many obstacles in the
way. Now they have all that nice rubble to clear out (while looking
for the ~50 missing cars/people) which will impede barge traffic for a
loooong time.

Grateful all our crew are unharmed, sorrow for those involved.

maxine in ri

maxine in ri said:

This morning they're saying that the design was one that (hopefully)
was not repeated very often. No pylons, and no suspension supports
for a large chunk of the span, just the roadbed and beams under it for
support. My guess is the current work which had lanes closed put too
much stress on one side of the highway. Lots of barge traffic in the
area, so they didn't want to impede or put too many obstacles in the
way. Now they have all that nice rubble to clear out (while looking
for the ~50 missing cars/people) which will impede barge traffic for a
loooong time.

I don't think the work on the road surface had anything to do with
it. Cutting down the net amount of traffic would result in less stress
on the structure, not more.

I think this event will reveal some fundamental flaws in their
inspection regime. Whatever caused it, whether it's erosion
of the pylons (known as scouring, it has caused collapses
before. A major incident occurred in upstate NY) or deterioration
of the structure itself, it should have been caught by their normal
inspection regime.

--
Reg

"maxine in ri" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

support. My guess is the current work which had lanes closed put too
much stress on one side of the highway.

Once on Mythbusters there was something about the stress on
steel and how, if you got a vibration going at just the perfect
rate, you could bring down a building. I know they were
resurfacing, I wonder about those machines that chew up the
asphalt for replacement. They usually don't just repave over
bridges, they grind some of the asphalt load off. Of course we
will find out eventually, seems like maybe it was a combination of the
heat and the construction activity along with some weakness that
did this bridge in. Those poor people.

nancy

Reg said...

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maxine in ri said:

This morning they're saying that the design was one that (hopefully)
was not repeated very often. No pylons, and no suspension supports
for a large chunk of the span, just the roadbed and beams under it for
support. My guess is the current work which had lanes closed put too
much stress on one side of the highway. Lots of barge traffic in the
area, so they didn't want to impede or put too many obstacles in the
way. Now they have all that nice rubble to clear out (while looking
for the ~50 missing cars/people) which will impede barge traffic for a
loooong time.

I don't think the work on the road surface had anything to do with
it. Cutting down the net amount of traffic would result in less stress
on the structure, not more.

I think this event will reveal some fundamental flaws in their
inspection regime. Whatever caused it, whether it's erosion
of the pylons (known as scouring, it has caused collapses
before. A major incident occurred in upstate NY) or deterioration
of the structure itself, it should have been caught by their normal
inspection regime.

You certainly have to hope it wasn't gross negligence on the part of bridge
inspectors and/or owners.

A restaurant at the end of a pier in Philly collapsed into the Delaware
river killing several diners. A report claimed inspectors warned the two
restaurant owners that the pier was unstable and the court found the owners
guilty of negligence. Six years later, this year, the two owners were
sentenced to just months in jail for what amounts to murder, imho.

Doesn't justice SUCK sometimes?!!

God bless the lost souls of the 35 W bridge collapse.

Andy

Andy said:

Reg said...

Quoted message said:

I think this event will reveal some fundamental flaws in their
inspection regime. Whatever caused it, whether it's erosion
of the pylons (known as scouring, it has caused collapses
before. A major incident occurred in upstate NY) or deterioration
of the structure itself, it should have been caught by their normal
inspection regime.

You certainly have to hope it wasn't gross negligence on the part of bridge
inspectors and/or owners.

It could be partly their responsibity. It could also be a matter of
outdated methods.

Both the airline and high speed rail industries have evolved in
their inspection methods as technology has improved. In general,
both industries discovered the limitations of relying on visual
inspections and began using more sophisticated instruments
to check components for hidden flaws. Unfortunately the learning
process involved the loss of many lives.

--
Reg

Pete C. said:

Stan Horwitz said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Pete C." <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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jmcquown wrote:

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> I just heard about the I-35 West bridge between Minneapolis and St. Paul
> collapsing, sending cars plunging into the Mississippi River. Please check
> in and let us know you're okay!

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> Jill

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Looks pretty bad, not just one section falling, the whole damn thing
came down. Already three confirmed fatalities and I don't think they
even have any info back from divers yet.

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Large parts of the infrastructure here in the states are poorly
maintained, yet billions of dollars are sent to Iraq. Insane! I am truly
sorry for the families who lost people in that bridge collapse.

The billions sent to Iraq are a drop in the bucket

EXCUSE ME!?!? Just "a drop in the bucket"????

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and while not being particularly well spent are at least being thrown in the
direction of a very real threat.

Are you one of those folks who believe that Saddam Hussein was
involved in the 9-11 attacks, perhaps even after the Liar-in-Chief
admitted he was not?

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A good chunk of our tax dollars are being wasted on
well intentioned but counterproductive "humanitarian aid".

Funny Uncle Sam gives candy to little countries because he wants
what's in their little panties.*

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The largest portion of our tax dollars however are being wasted right here in the
US.

OK, here's a challenge. Tell us EXACTLY WHAT that "largest portion of
our tax dollars" "are being wasted" on "right here in the US."

--Bryan

* FUNNY UNCLE SAM

Blowing back
to bite your ass.
You're a funny uncle,
Uncle Sam.

Agent Orange,
Viet Nam.
My funny uncle,
Uncle Sam.

Come here little country,
Won't you sit upon my knee?
I'll read to you from my story book.
It's called, "Democracy."

But look at where he's
put his hand!
Your funny uncle,
Uncle Sam.