Trader Joes has the best cheap wine.....

Honest, Peter.... it's all hype. Don't believe the advertising.
It's Two Buck UpChuck.

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$2 wine wins gold medal
Article from: The Courier-Mail

Anna Edwards

July 13, 2007 12:00am

A BOTTLE of "two buck chuck" has beaten hundreds of wines to the double
gold prize in a prestigious wine tasting competition in California.
Charles Shaw Chardonnay, which is sold for $US1.99 ($A2.30) beat 359
other Californian chardonnays, including a $55 bottle for the top spot.

Receiving 98 points in the California State Fair Commercial Wine
Competition, the winning drop was described as a "delight to taste," by
one of its judges.

Second place went to an $US18 $A20.86 bottle and the most expensive wine
at the event, which was $US55 $A63.74 didn't win a medal.

Unfortunately, Aussie connoisseurs can't try Charles Shaw for
themselves.The winning tipple is mass produced in California and only
sold through a franchise of grocery stores called Trader Joe's.

"We choose to sell good quality wines at $2 a bottle because we think
it's a fair price," winemaker Fred Franzia told ABC News after the win.

"We think other people are charging too much."

One of the judges of the event said it was likely some people wouldn't
like the winning "two buck chuck."

"You know, there are a lot of wines I don't like. So you drink what you
like, don't drink what you don't and you go home a happy camper," the
judge said.

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Honest, Peter.... it's all hype. Don't believe the advertising.
It's Two Buck UpChuck.

As we don't get it over here......... I'll have to take your word.

Unless someone over there with some sort of oneology background wants to
disagree with you.......... then you're on your own kiddo :-)

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$2 wine wins gold medal
Article from: The Courier-Mail

Anna Edwards

July 13, 2007 12:00am

A BOTTLE of "two buck chuck" has beaten hundreds of wines to the

double

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gold prize in a prestigious wine tasting competition in California.
Charles Shaw Chardonnay, which is sold for $US1.99 ($A2.30) beat 359
other Californian chardonnays, including a $55 bottle for the top

spot.

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Receiving 98 points in the California State Fair Commercial Wine
Competition, the winning drop was described as a "delight to taste,"

by

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one of its judges.

Second place went to an $US18 $A20.86 bottle and the most expensive

wine

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at the event, which was $US55 $A63.74 didn't win a medal.

Unfortunately, Aussie connoisseurs can't try Charles Shaw for
themselves.The winning tipple is mass produced in California and only
sold through a franchise of grocery stores called Trader Joe's.

"We choose to sell good quality wines at $2 a bottle because we think
it's a fair price," winemaker Fred Franzia told ABC News after the

win.

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"We think other people are charging too much."

One of the judges of the event said it was likely some people wouldn't
like the winning "two buck chuck."

"You know, there are a lot of wines I don't like. So you drink what

you

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like, don't drink what you don't and you go home a happy camper," the
judge said.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

PeterLucas said:

Unless someone over there with some sort of oneology background wants to
disagree with you.......... then you're on your own kiddo :-)

I'm surprised by the date on that article. Charles Shaw wine was
quite a sensation when it first hit the market, years ago. But,
lately it's not what it used to be. When it first came out, it was
pretty darn good for the price and the alcohol content was at least
13.5%, indicative of sweeter grapes. Today, it's down to 12% and a
good batch is a rarity. I used to swear by the stuff, but rarely
drink it anymore, depite TJs finally opening a store in my town.

nb

sf said:

Honest, Peter.... it's all hype. Don't believe the advertising.
It's Two Buck UpChuck.

When TJ's first came to Chicago I tried several of their brands. I
poured at least 6 bottles of wine down the drain. NASTY stuff.

Lou

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:12:20 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas <[email hidden]>

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You've got Rosemont Estate down there. Let's trade. Actually take
TJ's too.

Lou

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$2 wine wins gold medal
Article from: The Courier-Mail

TJs 2 buck chuck is a decent little table wine at a great price. As 2
dollar wines go, you can't do better. But that just makes it a good 2 buck
wine. I'd not pay 5 bucks for it, you can do a lot better in that price
range. It's great for cooking too, I made a delightful coq au vin with it.

Paul

Paul M. Cook said:

TJs 2 buck chuck is a decent little table wine at a great price. As 2
dollar wines go, you can't do better. But that just makes it a good 2 buck
wine. I'd not pay 5 bucks for it, you can do a lot better in that price
range. It's great for cooking too, I made a delightful coq au vin with it.

I disagree. I've tried lots of $5-$6 wines,
and I think Charles Shaw beats most of them
most of the time. I particularly like their
Sauvignon Blanc. I don't think it can be
beaten for less than $10.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:08:57 -0700, Mark Thorson <[email hidden]>

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I disagree. I've tried lots of $5-$6 wines,
and I think Charles Shaw beats most of them
most of the time. I particularly like their
Sauvignon Blanc. I don't think it can be
beaten for less than $10.

Yes, it can. Easily. Their Sauvignon Blanc is abysmal. Too sweet,
too oaked, at least to my taste. I much prefer the Sauvignon Blancs
from New Zealand and South Africa. And Trader Joes sometimes sells a
much better Sauvignon Blanc from South Africa called Zarafa, for under
$4/bottle. Try that one some time, if they have it. It is a really
good food wine for the price.

And here in NM, I can find a decent Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand,
in one of the bigger bottles. I think Red Cliff is the name, but I
don't have the bottle in front of me right now. The price for that
one is about $13, but again, it is one of the big bottles.

Both the New Zealand Sauvignon Blancs and the South African ones are
not overoaked, and many times not oaked at all. That makes for a very
versatile wine, and one that is a good match for food. And they have
a really nice acidity.

Christine

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Paul M. Cook said:

TJs 2 buck chuck is a decent little table wine at a great price. As 2
dollar wines go, you can't do better. But that just makes it a good 2

buck

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wine. I'd not pay 5 bucks for it, you can do a lot better in that price
range. It's great for cooking too, I made a delightful coq au vin with

it.

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I disagree. I've tried lots of $5-$6 wines,
and I think Charles Shaw beats most of them
most of the time. I particularly like their
Sauvignon Blanc. I don't think it can be
beaten for less than $10.

Try the Smoking Loon brand. Typically 5-6 bucks a bottle and way better
than Charles Shaw.

Paul

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:08:57 -0700, Mark Thorson <[email hidden]>

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I disagree. I've tried lots of $5-$6 wines,
and I think Charles Shaw beats most of them
most of the time. I particularly like their
Sauvignon Blanc. I don't think it can be
beaten for less than $10.

Yes, it can. Easily. Their Sauvignon Blanc is abysmal. Too sweet,
too oaked, at least to my taste. I much prefer the Sauvignon Blancs
from New Zealand and South Africa. And Trader Joes sometimes sells a
much better Sauvignon Blanc from South Africa called Zarafa, for under
$4/bottle. Try that one some time, if they have it. It is a really
good food wine for the price.

And here in NM, I can find a decent Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand,
in one of the bigger bottles. I think Red Cliff is the name, but I
don't have the bottle in front of me right now. The price for that
one is about $13, but again, it is one of the big bottles.

Both the New Zealand Sauvignon Blancs and the South African ones are
not overoaked, and many times not oaked at all. That makes for a very
versatile wine, and one that is a good match for food. And they have
a really nice acidity.

Gotta agree, Ausie wines are often dirt cheap, typically 5-8 bucks for
brands like Yellow Tail, Lindemans and Black Swan, and are incredibly good
even at double the price.

Paul

We've had great experience with the new Trader Joe's brand as well
(they actually have TJ on their label). On the East Coast, it's about
$3.99 instead of $1.99, though! The Syrah is great

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I disagree. I've tried lots of $5-$6 wines,
and I think Charles Shaw beats most of them
most of the time. I particularly like their
Sauvignon Blanc. I don't think it can be
beaten for less than $10.

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Yes, it can. Easily. Their Sauvignon Blanc is abysmal. Too sweet,
too oaked, at least to my taste. I much prefer the Sauvignon Blancs
from New Zealand and South Africa. And Trader Joes sometimes sells a
much better Sauvignon Blanc from South Africa called Zarafa, for under
$4/bottle. Try that one some time, if they have it. It is a really
good food wine for the price.

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And here in NM, I can find a decent Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand,
in one of the bigger bottles. I think Red Cliff is the name, but I
don't have the bottle in front of me right now. The price for that
one is about $13, but again, it is one of the big bottles.

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Both the New Zealand Sauvignon Blancs and the South African ones are
not overoaked, and many times not oaked at all. That makes for a very
versatile wine, and one that is a good match for food. And they have
a really nice acidity.

Gotta agree, Ausie wines are often dirt cheap, typically 5-8 bucks for
brands like Yellow Tail, Lindemans and Black Swan, and are incredibly good
even at double the price.

Paul

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:12:20 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas <[email hidden]>

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You've got Rosemont Estate down there. Let's trade. Actually take
TJ's too.

Lou

LOL :-)

As a matter of fact, I was approached by the management of a club I was at
last night and given a list of wines that they were thinking of bringing on
board. I was told to go through the list and select the best.

Rosemount Estate was one of them. Strictly 'split label' or Diamond label.
*No* jigsaw labels!!

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:08:57 -0700, Mark Thorson <[email hidden]>

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I disagree. I've tried lots of $5-$6 wines,
and I think Charles Shaw beats most of them
most of the time. I particularly like their
Sauvignon Blanc. I don't think it can be
beaten for less than $10.

Yes, it can. Easily. Their Sauvignon Blanc is abysmal. Too sweet,
too oaked, at least to my taste. I much prefer the Sauvignon Blancs
from New Zealand and South Africa. And Trader Joes sometimes sells a
much better Sauvignon Blanc from South Africa called Zarafa, for
under $4/bottle. Try that one some time, if they have it. It is a
really good food wine for the price.

And here in NM, I can find a decent Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand,
in one of the bigger bottles. I think Red Cliff is the name, but I
don't have the bottle in front of me right now. The price for that
one is about $13, but again, it is one of the big bottles.

Both the New Zealand Sauvignon Blancs and the South African ones are
not overoaked, and many times not oaked at all. That makes for a
very versatile wine, and one that is a good match for food. And they
have a really nice acidity.

Gotta agree, Ausie wines are often dirt cheap, typically 5-8 bucks for
brands like Yellow Tail,

I've got a stack of Yellow Tail (Casella) Sauvignon Blanc and Chardonnay
I'm slowly getting through at the moment. And it certainly doen't sell
for $5-8 here :-(

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

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Paul M. Cook said:

Try the Smoking Loon brand. Typically 5-6 bucks a bottle and way better
than Charles Shaw.

Smoking Loon?
Ah, the Native American child born on a cold winter night as a loon
called out in a pogonip fog or a child of the sixties or someone who
taught a loon to smoke (see child of the sixties above) or a loon struck
by lightning or otherwise set on fire.

leo

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<http://web0.greatbasin.net/~leo/>

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In article <ISwoi.2537$7w.1888@trnddc05>,

Paul M. Cook said:

Try the Smoking Loon brand. Typically 5-6 bucks a bottle and way better
than Charles Shaw.

Smoking Loon?
Ah, the Native American child born on a cold winter night as a loon
called out in a pogonip fog or a child of the sixties or someone who
taught a loon to smoke (see child of the sixties above) or a loon struck
by lightning or otherwise set on fire.

Or just a catchy name. Amazingly dull label, though.

Paul

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:12:20 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas <[email hidden]>

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You've got Rosemont Estate down there. Let's trade. Actually take
TJ's too.

Lou

LOL :-)

As a matter of fact, I was approached by the management of a club I was at
last night and given a list of wines that they were thinking of bringing on
board. I was told to go through the list and select the best.

Rosemount Estate was one of them. Strictly 'split label' or Diamond label.
*No* jigsaw labels!!

Everyone obviously has their own tastes with wine. I was turned on to
Rosemont about 12 years ago and knew instantly is was my new favorite.
And it's consistent year after year. Columbia Crest from California
had one fabulous year in the mid 90's but it's not quite as good now
(IMO) and at double the price I won't buy it. Rosemont's Merlot,
Shiraz, Cab, and blends are the best wine value around for my taste.
Especially for a bottle well under $10.

YMMV

Lou

Paul M. Cook said:

Gotta agree, Ausie wines are often dirt cheap, typically 5-8 bucks for
brands like Yellow Tail, Lindemans and Black Swan, and are incredibly good
even at double the price.

Paul

Exactly!!! I'd rather spend 5-8 bucks for a great bottle than 2 bucks
for panther [censored]. Your list is excellent but I'd add Rosemont Estate.
Lindemans is my Favorite from your list.

Lou

Lou wrote on Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:52:06 GMT:

??>> Gotta agree, Ausie wines are often dirt cheap, typically
??>> 5-8 bucks for brands like Yellow Tail, Lindemans and Black
??>> Swan, and are incredibly good even at double the price.
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??>> Paul
??>>
LD> Exactly!!! I'd rather spend 5-8 bucks for a great bottle
LD> than 2 bucks for panther [censored]. Your list is excellent but
LD> I'd add Rosemont Estate. Lindemans is my Favorite from your
LD> list.

I guess standards differ. TJs wines are drinkable but I've not
had a *great* bottle of wine for $5 since the 1960s :-)

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

James Silverton said:

I guess standards differ. TJs wines are drinkable but I've not
had a *great* bottle of wine for $5 since the 1960s :-)

I have. A 1L bottle, no less. Back around '92-93, Woodside was
closing out the previous year's bottling of Zinfandel. They were
discounting it all over town and I was just getting started on wines.
I bought out all the places that still had some, about 6 cases from
different stores, all bottled in different places, all about $5-6.
Most of it was just ok, a few bottles had turned, but there were 4-5
bottles that were spectacular, even by a neophyte's standards.

While not a $5 bottle, Gallo had a cab in '94 that was fantastic for
only $9-10. When people caught on, it went like wildfire. I wish I
still had some of those.

nb