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  1. Quoted message said:

    from: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070709171645.htm

    Source: Smithsonian
    Date: July 11, 2007
    More on: Agriculture and Food, Ancient Civilizations, Endangered
    Plants, Food, Archaeology, Fossils

    Ancient Americans Liked It Hot: Mexican Cuisine Traced To 1,500 Years
    Ago

    1,500 years ago? How about these guys...

    Archaeologists in Mexico have discovered evidence that humans were
    chomping on wild chiles, called chiltepins, during prehistoric times —
    as far back as 7500 B.C.

    Chiltepins Rock! We don't need no stinkin Tabasco peppers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiltepin

  2. Sonoran Dude said:
    Quoted message said:

    from: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070709171645.htm

    Source: Smithsonian Date: July 11, 2007 More on: Agriculture and
    Food, Ancient Civilizations, Endangered Plants, Food, Archaeology,
    Fossils

    Ancient Americans Liked It Hot: Mexican Cuisine Traced To 1,500 Years
    Ago

    1,500 years ago? How about these guys...

    Archaeologists in Mexico have discovered evidence that humans were
    chomping on wild chiles, called chiltepins, during prehistoric times
    — as far back as 7500 B.C.

    Chiltepins Rock! We don't need no stinkin Tabasco peppers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiltepin

    "The Tarahumara Indians of the Sonoran Desert in Mexico believe that
    chiltepins were the greatest protection against the evils of sorcery.
    One of their proverbs holds that 'The man who does not eat chile is
    immediately suspected of being a sorcerer.'"

    Interesting!

    --
    Blinky RLU 297263
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  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sonoran Dude said:
    Quoted message said:

    from: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070709171645.htm

    Source: Smithsonian
    Date: July 11, 2007
    More on: Agriculture and Food, Ancient Civilizations, Endangered
    Plants, Food, Archaeology, Fossils

    Ancient Americans Liked It Hot: Mexican Cuisine Traced To 1,500 Years
    Ago

    1,500 years ago? How about these guys...

    Archaeologists in Mexico have discovered evidence that humans were
    chomping on wild chiles, called chiltepins, during prehistoric times ‹
    as far back as 7500 B.C.

    Chiltepins Rock! We don't need no stinkin Tabasco peppers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiltepin

    I have a rather large "wild" bush of those now that I've been babying
    and keeping alive for at least 10 years. :-) I need to take pics of it.

    I thought it had died the end of last fall as the upper part got
    "crispy" dry but refrained from pulling it up.

    This spring, it sprouted fresh branches off the base and is as large as
    ever. It's a good 3 ft. tall and 3 ft. across.

    I feed most of them to my Cockatoo as they are an excellent sources of
    vitamin C and trace minerals. I can't always get her to eat Citrus
    fruits.

    She loves them! ;-)

    It's looking lovely with a baby crop of peppers this year.

    2 years ago, I allowed someone to come and pick the bush as all of his
    wild volunteers locally had vanished. I've used a few for cooking but
    my favorite way to use them is to dump a bunch into white vinegar, and
    use the extract for salads and fish.
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  4. Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sonoran Dude said:
    Quoted message said:

    from:http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070709171645.htm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Source: Smithsonian
    Date: July 11, 2007
    More on: Agriculture and Food, Ancient Civilizations, Endangered
    Plants, Food, Archaeology, Fossils

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ancient Americans Liked It Hot: Mexican Cuisine Traced To 1,500 Years
    Ago

    Quoted message said:

    1,500 years ago? How about these guys...

    Quoted message said:

    Archaeologists in Mexico have discovered evidence that humans were
    chomping on wild chiles, called chiltepins, during prehistoric times ‹
    as far back as 7500 B.C.

    Quoted message said:

    Chiltepins Rock! We don't need no stinkin Tabasco peppers.

    Quoted message said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiltepin

    I have a rather large "wild" bush of those now that I've been babying
    and keeping alive for at least 10 years. :-) I need to take pics of it.

    I thought it had died the end of last fall as the upper part got
    "crispy" dry but refrained from pulling it up.

    This spring, it sprouted fresh branches off the base and is as large as
    ever. It's a good 3 ft. tall and 3 ft. across.

    We had a huge plant in a huge pot on the stair landing of our
    apartment in Hudson, FL. It easily survived the "winter" there.

    Quoted message said:


    I feed most of them to my Cockatoo as they are an excellent sources of
    vitamin C and trace minerals. I can't always get her to eat Citrus
    fruits.

    She loves them! ;-)

    Birds do not have receptors or whatever that perceive capsaicin as an
    irritant.

    Quoted message said:


    It's looking lovely with a baby crop of peppers this year.

    2 years ago, I allowed someone to come and pick the bush as all of his
    wild volunteers locally had vanished. I've used a few for cooking but
    my favorite way to use them is to dump a bunch into white vinegar, and
    use the extract for salads and fish.
    --
    Peace, Om

    --Bryan

  5. Omelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sonoran Dude said:
    Quoted message said:

    from: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070709171645.htm

    Source: Smithsonian
    Date: July 11, 2007
    More on: Agriculture and Food, Ancient Civilizations, Endangered
    Plants, Food, Archaeology, Fossils

    Ancient Americans Liked It Hot: Mexican Cuisine Traced To 1,500 Years
    Ago

    1,500 years ago? How about these guys...

    Archaeologists in Mexico have discovered evidence that humans were
    chomping on wild chiles, called chiltepins, during prehistoric times ‹
    as far back as 7500 B.C.

    Chiltepins Rock! We don't need no stinkin Tabasco peppers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiltepin

    I have a rather large "wild" bush of those now that I've been babying
    and keeping alive for at least 10 years. :-) I need to take pics of it.

    I thought it had died the end of last fall as the upper part got
    "crispy" dry but refrained from pulling it up.

    This spring, it sprouted fresh branches off the base and is as large as
    ever. It's a good 3 ft. tall and 3 ft. across.

    I feed most of them to my Cockatoo as they are an excellent sources of
    vitamin C and trace minerals. I can't always get her to eat Citrus
    fruits.

    She loves them! ;-)

    It's looking lovely with a baby crop of peppers this year.

    2 years ago, I allowed someone to come and pick the bush as all of his
    wild volunteers locally had vanished. I've used a few for cooking but
    my favorite way to use them is to dump a bunch into white vinegar, and
    use the extract for salads and fish.

    Start throwing your bird [censored] out into soil around the yard. The only
    way to germinate chiltepin seed is to have it pass through a bird or
    treated with chemicals.

    Soon you may have a little chiltepin farm going.

    My tepin bush is one I found on the other side of town and successfully
    transplanted it to my backyard. They will be ready to pick around November.

    Parrots love these little peppers too.

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bobo Bonobo® said:
    Quoted message said:

    This spring, it sprouted fresh branches off the base and is as large as
    ever. It's a good 3 ft. tall and 3 ft. across.

    We had a huge plant in a huge pot on the stair landing of our
    apartment in Hudson, FL. It easily survived the "winter" there.

    Beautiful aren't they?
    I've never tried to grow one, I just take care of wild volunteers.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I feed most of them to my Cockatoo as they are an excellent sources of
    vitamin C and trace minerals. I can't always get her to eat Citrus
    fruits.

    She loves them! ;-)

    Birds do not have receptors or whatever that perceive capsaicin as an
    irritant.

    I know. And that is not a bad thing!
    Some people use Cayenne to keep squirrels out of the bird feeders as it
    does not bother the birds.

    Quoted message said:


    --Bryan


    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sonoran Dude said:

    Start throwing your bird [censored] out into soil around the yard. The only
    way to germinate chiltepin seed is to have it pass through a bird or
    treated with chemicals.

    Soon you may have a little chiltepin farm going.

    My tepin bush is one I found on the other side of town and successfully
    transplanted it to my backyard. They will be ready to pick around November.

    Parrots love these little peppers too.

    I'd have to make a special effort, but that's not a bad idea!

    Freya is a Goffin's cockatoo and was a "stray". We've cared for her now
    since 1998 when she flew into my back yard and ate grain off the ground
    with my chickens.

    She was horribly destructive so we finally built her an aviary rather
    than trying to re-home her or worse, driving her insane by locking her
    in even the largest parrot cage on the market. :-(.

    So many people that keep these birds for "decoration" are so f-ing
    clueless! There is nothing sadder than an insane, neglected parrot that
    plucks itself bare out of boredom.

    That is not happening here!

    She is a very loving bird and is a very good friend, but a bit
    demanding. :-) But that's ok.

    Her "cage" is 8' long by 4' wide and 6' tall and lined with pine chips
    on the floor. It's walk in so I can go in there and spend lovey time
    with her.

    LOTS of mostly home made toys to keep her occupied.

    Fascinating bird...

    I've learned from her that many people are really not prepared to offer
    some parrots what they really need in the way of attention. They can be
    a real commitment...

    Anyway, I'm wandering. :-)

    I'm not sure, but I guess I could try planting some of her "deposits"
    from under her favorite roosting spots, but these can also be propagated
    from air layered or carefully cared for cuttings.
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  8. "Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sonoran Dude said:

    Start throwing your bird [censored] out into soil around the yard. The only
    way to germinate chiltepin seed is to have it pass through a bird or
    treated with chemicals.

    Soon you may have a little chiltepin farm going.

    My tepin bush is one I found on the other side of town and successfully
    transplanted it to my backyard. They will be ready to pick around


    November.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Parrots love these little peppers too.

    I'd have to make a special effort, but that's not a bad idea!

    Freya is a Goffin's cockatoo and was a "stray". We've cared for her now
    since 1998 when she flew into my back yard and ate grain off the ground
    with my chickens.

    She was horribly destructive so we finally built her an aviary rather
    than trying to re-home her or worse, driving her insane by locking her
    in even the largest parrot cage on the market. :-(.

    So many people that keep these birds for "decoration" are so f-ing
    clueless! There is nothing sadder than an insane, neglected parrot that
    plucks itself bare out of boredom.

    That is not happening here!

    She is a very loving bird and is a very good friend, but a bit
    demanding. :-) But that's ok.

    Her "cage" is 8' long by 4' wide and 6' tall and lined with pine chips
    on the floor. It's walk in so I can go in there and spend lovey time
    with her.

    LOTS of mostly home made toys to keep her occupied.

    Fascinating bird...

    I've learned from her that many people are really not prepared to offer
    some parrots what they really need in the way of attention. They can be
    a real commitment...

    Anyway, I'm wandering. :-)

    I'm not sure, but I guess I could try planting some of her "deposits"
    from under her favorite roosting spots, but these can also be propagated
    from air layered or carefully cared for cuttings.
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack


    Nicholson

    I'll never order parrot soup again after reading your post!

    Wow!

  9. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Wayne Lundberg said:

    I'll never order parrot soup again after reading your post!

    Wow!

    Oh.

    My gods...

    Parrots are nearly sentient.

    I'm no vegetarian but I could never bring myself to eat a parrot after
    associating with them...
    --
    Peace, Om

    Remove _ to validate e-mails.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

  10. Omelet said:

    Beautiful aren't they?
    I've never tried to grow one, I just take care of wild volunteers.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    --Bryan

    Mine is hardly beautiful unless it is harvesting season. It is a very
    interesting plant though with precise geometric angles to the branching.
    I have watered mine every summer but this year I'm just letting nature
    takes its course and see if there is a difference in the flavor.

    There is a domesticated variety here at a Tucson Botanical park and I
    bought one for a friend several miles away so not to cross pollinate my
    perfect tasting wild one. He is a master gardener but genetics have
    everything to do with flavor. His is bitter and much hotter than the wild.

  11. Blinky the Shark said:

    Sonoran Dude wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070709171645.htm

    Source: Smithsonian Date: July 11, 2007 More on: Agriculture and
    Food, Ancient Civilizations, Endangered Plants, Food, Archaeology,
    Fossils

    Ancient Americans Liked It Hot: Mexican Cuisine Traced To 1,500 Years
    Ago

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Archaeologists in Mexico have discovered evidence that humans were
    chomping on wild chiles, called chiltepins, during prehistoric times
    — as far back as 7500 B.C.

    Quoted message said:

    "The Tarahumara Indians of the Sonoran Desert in Mexico believe that
    chiltepins were the greatest protection against the evils of sorcery.
    One of their proverbs holds that 'The man who does not eat chile is
    immediately suspected of being a sorcerer.'"

    On the other hand, in warfare one tactic of the ancient southwestern
    Indians was to toss burning chiles into a kiva, killing the
    persons inside with the fumes.

    Steve

    Quoted message said:

    Interesting!

    --
    Blinky RLU 297263
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
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  12. Omelet said:

    Parrots are nearly sentient.

    Plants and many invertebrate animals are *sentient*, they react to
    heat, light, or pain, and some people even claim that if you talk to
    plants they grow better. Maybe it's the CO2 in their breath.

    Parrots are *sapient*. They can learn non-natural behaviors.

  13. Steve Pope said:
    Blinky the Shark said:

    Sonoran Dude wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > from:
    > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070709171645.htm
    >
    > Source: Smithsonian Date: July 11, 2007 More on: Agriculture and
    > Food, Ancient Civilizations, Endangered Plants, Food, Archaeology,
    > Fossils
    >
    > Ancient Americans Liked It Hot: Mexican Cuisine Traced To 1,500
    > Years Ago

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Archaeologists in Mexico have discovered evidence that humans were
    chomping on wild chiles, called chiltepins, during prehistoric times
    — as far back as 7500 B.C.

    Quoted message said:

    "The Tarahumara Indians of the Sonoran Desert in Mexico believe that
    chiltepins were the greatest protection against the evils of sorcery.
    One of their proverbs holds that 'The man who does not eat chile is
    immediately suspected of being a sorcerer.'"

    On the other hand, in warfare one tactic of the ancient southwestern
    Indians was to toss burning chiles into a kiva, killing the persons
    inside with the fumes.

    I had some college classes in a kiva. That was the name of the round,
    three-tiered lecture hall in the center section of a couple of the dorms
    at Michigan State University in the late sixties.

    --
    Blinky RLU 297263
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

  14. Omelet said:

    Freya is a Goffin's cockatoo and was a "stray". We've cared for her now
    since 1998 when she flew into my back yard and ate grain off the ground
    with my chickens.

    She was horribly destructive so we finally built her an aviary rather
    than trying to re-home her or worse, driving her insane by locking her
    in even the largest parrot cage on the market. :-(.

    So many people that keep these birds for "decoration" are so f-ing
    clueless! There is nothing sadder than an insane, neglected parrot that
    plucks itself bare out of boredom.

    That is not happening here!

    She is a very loving bird and is a very good friend, but a bit
    demanding. :-) But that's ok.

    Her "cage" is 8' long by 4' wide and 6' tall and lined with pine chips
    on the floor. It's walk in so I can go in there and spend lovey time
    with her.

    LOTS of mostly home made toys to keep her occupied.

    Fascinating bird...

    I've learned from her that many people are really not prepared to offer
    some parrots what they really need in the way of attention. They can be
    a real commitment...

    Anyway, I'm wandering. :-)

    I'm not sure, but I guess I could try planting some of her "deposits"
    from under her favorite roosting spots, but these can also be propagated
    from air layered or carefully cared for cuttings.

    Parrots have been known to escape, but I have a feeling that Freya's
    former owners could not make the committment that raising a bird
    requires, so they turned her loose. You are doing a wonderful job
    giving her love and care, and creating a habitat for Freya to live
    comfortably. There should be a special place in Heaven for you.

    Becca

  15. Becca said:

    Parrots have been known to escape, but I have a feeling that Freya's
    former owners could not make the committment that raising a bird
    requires, so they turned her loose.

    There are flocks of parrots and parakeets all over southern
    California, you can hear them screeching.

    Nanday conures compete with native downy woodpeckers for cavities in
    sycamore trees to nest in, and noisy flocks of yellow-chevroned
    parakeets hang out in the washingtonia palm trees and eat the fruit of
    non-native ornamental silk floss trees.

    The most exotic escaped tropical bird I ever saw was a chestnut billed
    toucan that was making a noise like a gate with a rusty hinge. It was
    sitting in the top of a pine tree.

    Who do you report something like that to, the dog catcher?

    "Sorry. We don't do toucans, Maybe you should call Department of
    Homeland Security?"

    Keeping a bird or an animal in a cage for one's own pleasure and then
    pretending that the creature is a "friend" is a very selfish and cruel
    action, in my mind.

    A neighbor put up a sign offering a reward for the return of his
    beloved "Tony", a yellow cockatiel who had escaped.

    I know what happened to Tony. My cat ate him.

    How could I apologize for my cat doing what came naturally to a bird
    that wasn't supposed to be looking for birdseed on top of my garage?

    Better Tony's owner should never know what happened to Tony. Let him
    imagine that Tony found a new home...

    I would occasionally see an escaped peach faced lovebird or one with a
    blue head, and of course there are escaped parakeets all over the
    place.

    One time I saw a European goldfinch sitting on a neighbor's fence.

    I saw a cockatiel flying with the pigeons and wondering if it would
    survive the winter.

    I used to see a guy who owned a hyacinth macaw allowing it to fly free
    in the Hollywood hills. I asked him if he wasn't afraid that the
    native red-tailed hawks that hung out in the canyons wouldn't kill his
    macaw. He claimed that the macaw could take care of itself.

    I enjoyed watched the macaw do barrel rolls and loops as it flew down
    the canyons.

    It was very maneuverable and interesting to watch. But it didn't
    belong in that environment.

  16. Rechazador de Disparates said:

    There are flocks of parrots and parakeets all over southern
    California, you can hear them screeching.

    Same here in Berkeley. There is one quarter often visible
    in West Berkeley, and sporadically elsewhere in town -- maybe
    the same individuals doing some local traveling, I'm not certain.

    Steve

  17. Rechazador de Disparates said:

    It was very maneuverable and interesting to watch. But it didn't
    belong in that environment.

    Neither do pet cats.

    http://www.tc.umn.edu/~devo0028/cats.htm

    nb

  18. notbob said:
    Rechazador de Disparates said:

    It was very maneuverable and interesting to watch. But it didn't
    belong in that environment.

    Neither do pet cats.

    My cat wasn't soaring in the thermals above the Hollywood hills, she
    was in her own backyard.

    Tony the yellow cockatiel was the species that was most out of place
    in the urban environment.

  19. Rechazador de Disparates said:

    was in her own backyard.

    Your cat owns a backyard? Does it pay taxes? Has it been posted no
    trespassing to songbirds? Does the environment and related ecosystems
    recognize her ownership rights? I know if people kill certain bird
    species, they can be charged. Why not cats? If cats kill birds, can
    people kill cats? Just some thoughts I have.

    nb

  20. notbob said:
    Rechazador de Disparates said:

    was in her own backyard.

    Your cat owns a backyard? Does it pay taxes? Has it been posted no
    trespassing to songbirds?

    No. No. Why would the cat want to do that? Better to post a sign
    that says something like, "Free birdseed," to lure them in.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the environment and related ecosystems
    recognize her ownership rights?

    Do "the environment and related ecosystems recognize" HUMAN "ownership
    rights?"

    Quoted message said:

    I know if people kill certain bird
    species, they can be charged. Why not cats?

    If a law says so, a cat could be considered a "nuisance" for killing
    songbirds, just as it could be for digging up Mrs. Jones' daisies.

    Quoted message said:

    If cats kill birds, can people kill cats?

    When we lived in Florida, a cat attacked me. I would have taken it
    into the woods, snapped its neck and buried it in the sandy soil,
    which may have been illegal. My wife insisted that I get a cat trap,
    then take the captured cat to the animal control folks and pay $25 for
    THEM to kill it. Same result. Dead cat, but I was out $25 bucks.

    Quoted message said:

    Just some thoughts I have.

    nb

    --Bryan

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