Crushed Alive !!!

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Mark Thorson said:

www.killerstoves.com

Well, there's a new one. I was expecting to see a stove on a ladder.

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark Thorson said:

www.killerstoves.com

Well, there's a new one. I was expecting to see a stove on a ladder.

leo

Thi is a solution looking for a problem. Sure, brackets can't be a bad
idea. But I have a GE stove much like any other and it not only does not
weigh enough to crush anyone it can't be so easily tipped over, either. The
leverage on the door is just not there and it is quite bottom heavy - the CG
is just above the floor. The door is only 9 inches above the floor and if I
applied weight to the very end of the open door, I'll just tip the stove a
little. And securing the stove isn't going to keep toddlers from reach up
and pulling pots off the stove. That happens way too often.

Nothing will fix this "problem" except being careful.

Trust me, I know accidents can happen. I damn near died of shock when I had
just loaded up the dishwasher and was about to start it when I couldn't hold
the urge to pee any longer and when I returned to the kitchen I heard my
kitten mewing from inside the washer. I damn near turned the thing on
without knowing she had crawled inside while I was loading it.

You just can't always now what can happen and so you get used to doing
things like turning the pot handles to the side and looking inside the
dishwasher before closing the door.

Paul

Paul M. Cook said:

And securing the stove isn't going to keep toddlers from reach up and
pulling pots off the stove. That happens way too often.
Nothing will fix this "problem" except being careful.

I have seen a kind of grating which you can attach to the perimeter of the
stove, built with a solid metal coupling, thus raising the top borders of a
good 7-8 inches. This way the pots are out of reach from toddlers.
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Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'

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Mark Thorson said:

Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
incidents:

http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

I'll give that a pass.

Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.

I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
under and behind it.
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Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark Thorson said:

Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
incidents:

http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

I'll give that a pass.

Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.

I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
under and behind it.
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I've not looked at it, but I believe that nearly all stove tip over
incidents relate to small children who get the oven door open and then
climb on it at which point the whole thing tips over and crushes them.

Pete C.

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Pete C. said:

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark Thorson said:

Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
incidents:

http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

I'll give that a pass.

Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.

I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
under and behind it.

I've not looked at it, but I believe that nearly all stove tip over
incidents relate to small children who get the oven door open and then
climb on it at which point the whole thing tips over and crushes them.

Pete C.

That's just bizarre. My oven door is so low that even if a kid did this,
they might be able to tip the oven, but the base is so low, the kid
would fall IN to the oven and still not get crushed.

And I did not look at it either until now and the title is misleading.
The kids did not get crushed, just burned very badly which I can see
happening.

My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
oven if I had little kids around.
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Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Pete C. said:

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Mark Thorson <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
> incidents:
>
> http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

I'll give that a pass.

Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.

I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
under and behind it.

I've not looked at it, but I believe that nearly all stove tip over
incidents relate to small children who get the oven door open and then
climb on it at which point the whole thing tips over and crushes them.

Pete C.

That's just bizarre. My oven door is so low that even if a kid did this,
they might be able to tip the oven, but the base is so low, the kid
would fall IN to the oven and still not get crushed.

I wouldn't count on it. When they're climbing on the front of the door
and it goes over it's more likely to catch them in the door, half in,
half out. You may have a stove without or without much of a drawer at
the bottom, I think most stoves do have a fairly large drawer and the
oven bottom is a foot above the floor.

Quoted message said:

And I did not look at it either until now and the title is misleading.
The kids did not get crushed, just burned very badly which I can see
happening.

I think you can check the CPSC site to find more on actually stove
tipping / crush incidents. I think in most cases the stove isn't on when
it happens either.

Quoted message said:

My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
oven if I had little kids around.

I've not seen one that locks in any mode other than self clean.

Pete C.

Omelet said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

I'll give that a pass.

Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.

No kidding. I'd have to seriously work at tipping over my stove,
despite the fact it's a cheap electric. I think that website is a
crock.

nb

Vilco said:

Paul M. Cook said:

And securing the stove isn't going to keep toddlers from reach up and
pulling pots off the stove. That happens way too often.
Nothing will fix this "problem" except being careful.

I have seen a kind of grating which you can attach to the perimeter of the
stove, built with a solid metal coupling, thus raising the top borders of a
good 7-8 inches. This way the pots are out of reach from toddlers.
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'

A simpler and more reliable solution is to simply not have any toddlers
in your kitchen.

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Omelet said:

Quoted message said:

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Mark Thorson <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
> incidents:
>
> http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

I'll give that a pass.

Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.

I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
under and behind it.

Quoted message said:

That's just bizarre. My oven door is so low that even if a kid did this,
they might be able to tip the oven, but the base is so low, the kid
would fall IN to the oven and still not get crushed.

Quoted message said:

And I did not look at it either until now and the title is misleading.
The kids did not get crushed, just burned very badly which I can see
happening.

You must not have looked at the site too closely. 18 deaths and 70
serious injuries over a 20 year period.

Quoted message said:

My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
oven if I had little kids around.

Good idea.

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:05:53 -0500, "Pete C." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

A simpler and more reliable solution is to simply not have any toddlers
in your kitchen.

I did something even simpler. I turned the pot handles AWAY from the
edge of the stove so there was no temptation to reach for it. Problem
solved.

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Vilco said:

Paul M. Cook said:

And securing the stove isn't going to keep toddlers from reach up and
pulling pots off the stove. That happens way too often.
Nothing will fix this "problem" except being careful.

I have seen a kind of grating which you can attach to the perimeter of the
stove, built with a solid metal coupling, thus raising the top borders of a
good 7-8 inches. This way the pots are out of reach from toddlers.

And when the toddler pulls the kitchen stool over to the stove and
climbs on it so they can see what's up there?

The kitchen is NOT the place for unsupervised animals, babies or
toddlers... when my brother was a baby my mother turned her back for a
few minutes and he pulled himself up onto the front of the heater and
then was stuck there screaming because his hands were burning and he
didn't know how to get down... that was in the living room but it
could just have easily happened on a hot oven. I NEVER let the cats
into the kitchen while I'm cooking, and do my darnest to keep them out
of there the rest of the time too, because they're a hazard to me and
to themselves...

If you have children or animals and you are cooking, you need to be
there and alert for disaster ALL THE TIME, because they don't know
that what they're doing is dangerous, and it could easily get them
killed...

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:49:33 GMT, "Pete C." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Omelet wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
oven if I had little kids around.

I've not seen one that locks in any mode other than self clean.

Our oven has a manual catch on the door... it's meant for the
self-cleaning cycle but I could see it used as a safety feature around
toddlers. Flip that lever over and the door will stay closed until you
flip it back.

Quoted message said:

Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
incidents:

http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

Do you have one with vending machines?

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:47:10 -0500, Omelet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark Thorson said:

Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
incidents:

http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

I'll give that a pass.

Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.

I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
under and behind it.

I've never heard of it. Must be pretty old/cruddy stoves that do it.
The statistics don't mention the age of the stoves. A lot of people
still have those "vintage" stoves. Perhaps that's it?

safe
double wall ovens and built in cooktop
no "stoves" for me

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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:43:33 GMT, "Pete C." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Omelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark Thorson said:

Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
incidents:

http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

I'll give that a pass.

Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.

I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
under and behind it.

I've not looked at it, but I believe that nearly all stove tip over
incidents relate to small children who get the oven door open and then
climb on it at which point the whole thing tips over and crushes them.

Crushing isn't the issue.... burns from hot liquids are.

They have a statistics page (.pdf).... 33 deaths listed from 1980 to
2006. 58% were children, 42% were adults. 47% of the children were
under age 2.

The majority of injuries regardless of age were burns suffered from
hot liquids spilled from the pots or pans that tipped when the range
tilted.

Only 12 of 107 reports over 27 years indicated the year the stove was
manufactured or purchased.

Consumer Product Safety Commission Chronology
http://www.killerstoves.com/cpsc_chronology.php

The injuries occur when the oven door is open for either heating the
room or during cooking when a pan of food is placed on the door. One
scenario is that during the time the oven door is open, a young child
pushes downward on the edge of the door causing the unit to tip over
onto the child. In addition, incidents of elderly people falling on
open doors was also reported by the NPI team.

sf
glad for built in wall ovens and a built in cooktop

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Dan Abel said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Omelet said:

My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
oven if I had little kids around.

Good idea.

If you've got a kid that climbs and an oven that tips, locking the
oven door isn't going to stop him/her. Oven handles are just a
convenient way to help you get where you want to go and if the oven is
locked - ALL THE BETTER to get there because that pesky door isn't
going to come open.

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Quoted message said:

Vilco said:

Paul M. Cook said:

And securing the stove isn't going to keep toddlers from reach up and
pulling pots off the stove. That happens way too often.
Nothing will fix this "problem" except being careful.

I have seen a kind of grating which you can attach to the perimeter of the
stove, built with a solid metal coupling, thus raising the top borders of a
good 7-8 inches. This way the pots are out of reach from toddlers.
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'

A simpler and more reliable solution is to simply not have any toddlers
in your kitchen.

My sister has her kitchen gated.

But not everybody is that smart.
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Karen AKA Kajikit said:

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:49:33 GMT, "Pete C." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Omelet wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
oven if I had little kids around.

I've not seen one that locks in any mode other than self clean.

Our oven has a manual catch on the door... it's meant for the
self-cleaning cycle but I could see it used as a safety feature around
toddlers. Flip that lever over and the door will stay closed until you
flip it back.

Exactly.
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