RAAM vs. TDF

In article <[email hidden]>,

Callistus Valerius said:

Now having watched both RAAM and TDF, the biggest difference between the two
races is at RAAM the first guy across the finish line wins. In the TDF it
could be the second, third or fourth guy across the finish line. The tdf
always keeps you guessing on who really won, maybe that's why many consider
it better than RAAM, because of the uncertainty.

Dumbass:

this doesn't happen in RAAM because their testing regime is nonexistent.

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to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:11:32 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Callistus Valerius said:

Now having watched both RAAM and TDF, the biggest difference between the two
races is at RAAM the first guy across the finish line wins. In the TDF it
could be the second, third or fourth guy across the finish line. The tdf
always keeps you guessing on who really won, maybe that's why many consider
it better than RAAM, because of the uncertainty.

Dumbass:

this doesn't happen in RAAM because their testing regime is nonexistent.

I thought it didn't happen in RAAM because only 15 guys and their
families care.

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Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Callistus Valerius said:

Now having watched both RAAM and TDF, the biggest difference between the two
races is at RAAM the first guy across the finish line wins. In the TDF it
could be the second, third or fourth guy across the finish line. The tdf
always keeps you guessing on who really won, maybe that's why many consider
it better than RAAM, because of the uncertainty.

Dumbass:

this doesn't happen in RAAM because their testing regime is nonexistent.

Not exactly One of the owners of RAAM is a customer of mine and their
testing is both rigorous and frequent during RAAM. BUT the difference
is that RAAM riders welcome testing whereas racers in the european
peloton view it as an inconvenience and a chore..cuz they may get
caught!!!! Bunch of [censored]. I hope they all lose their jobs and pro
cycling in Europe disappears.

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"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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Dumbass:

this doesn't happen in RAAM because their testing regime is nonexistent.

I thought it didn't happen in RAAM because only 15 guys and their
families care.

Like "National Lampoon's Family Vacation" at 16.31 mph.

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Like "National Lampoon's Family Vacation" at 16.31 mph.

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That's what it is, if you aren't jacked up on something.

On Jul 26, 8:31 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]>

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Not exactly One of the owners of RAAM is a customer of mine and their
testing is both rigorous and frequent during RAAM. BUT the difference
is that RAAM riders welcome testing whereas racers in the european
peloton view it as an inconvenience and a chore..cuz they may get
caught!!!! Bunch of [censored]. I hope they all lose their jobs and pro
cycling in Europe disappears.

Maybe its gotta die but I hope it doesn't "disappear" forever. Cycle
racing at its highest level is too beautiful a thing. Those guys are
special athletes even without the doping.

On Jul 26, 8:31 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]>

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Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Now having watched both RAAM and TDF, the biggest difference between the two
races is at RAAM the first guy across the finish line wins. In the TDF it
could be the second, third or fourth guy across the finish line. The tdf
always keeps you guessing on who really won, maybe that's why many consider
it better than RAAM, because of the uncertainty.

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Dumbass:

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this doesn't happen in RAAM because their testing regime is nonexistent.

Not exactly One of the owners of RAAM is a customer of mine and their
testing is both rigorous and frequent during RAAM. BUT the difference
is that RAAM riders welcome testing whereas racers in the european
peloton view it as an inconvenience and a chore..cuz they may get
caught!!!! Bunch of [censored]. I hope they all lose their jobs and pro
cycling in Europe disappears.

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--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden]://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

I was on a RAAM support in 1994, and there wasn't a single drug test,
nor was this ever mentioned
in the pre-race rider and support conference. The officials also put a
tape at the finish line for the winners
to break through, like in ancient running races. Just to make sure, I
asked them if this was usual practice
for cycling races, e.g., did they do this in the Tour de France, and
they told me that they did not know.

-ilan

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On Jul 26, 8:31 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]>

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On Jul 25, 11:11 pm, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:

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In article <[email hidden]>,
"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Now having watched both RAAM and TDF, the biggest difference between the two
> races is at RAAM the first guy across the finish line wins. In the TDF it
> could be the second, third or fourth guy across the finish line. The tdf
> always keeps you guessing on who really won, maybe that's why many consider
> it better than RAAM, because of the uncertainty.

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Dumbass:

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this doesn't happen in RAAM because their testing regime is nonexistent.

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Not exactly One of the owners of RAAM is a customer of mine and their
testing is both rigorous and frequent during RAAM. BUT the difference
is that RAAM riders welcome testing whereas racers in the european
peloton view it as an inconvenience and a chore..cuz they may get
caught!!!! Bunch of [censored]. I hope they all lose their jobs and pro
cycling in Europe disappears.

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--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden]://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

I was on a RAAM support in 1994, and there wasn't a single drug test,
nor was this ever mentioned
in the pre-race rider and support conference. The officials also put a
tape at the finish line for the winners
to break through, like in ancient running races. Just to make sure, I
asked them if this was usual practice
for cycling races, e.g., did they do this in the Tour de France, and
they told me that they did not know.

-ilan

Like 13 years ago..that 1994? Things have changed. EPO started about
1991/2/3/4...RAAM tests today.

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On Jul 26, 8:31 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]>

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On Jul 25, 11:11 pm, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]> wrote:

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In article <[email hidden]>,
"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Now having watched both RAAM and TDF, the biggest difference between the two
> races is at RAAM the first guy across the finish line wins. In the TDF it
> could be the second, third or fourth guy across the finish line. The tdf
> always keeps you guessing on who really won, maybe that's why many consider
> it better than RAAM, because of the uncertainty.

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Dumbass:

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this doesn't happen in RAAM because their testing regime is nonexistent.

Quoted message said:

Not exactly One of the owners of RAAM is a customer of mine and their
testing is both rigorous and frequent during RAAM. BUT the difference
is that RAAM riders welcome testing whereas racers in the european
peloton view it as an inconvenience and a chore..cuz they may get
caught!!!! Bunch of [censored]. I hope they all lose their jobs and pro
cycling in Europe disappears.

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--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden]://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

I was on a RAAM support in 1994, and there wasn't a single drug test,
nor was this ever mentioned
in the pre-race rider and support conference. The officials also put a
tape at the finish line for the winners
to break through, like in ancient running races. Just to make sure, I
asked them if this was usual practice
for cycling races, e.g., did they do this in the Tour de France, and
they told me that they did not know.

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Ah yes, 1994. Remeber the TdF in 1994? Nothing like today or even
the past 9 years w/r to doping.
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Marty
I miss the 90's

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

One of the owners of RAAM is a customer of mine and their
testing is both rigorous and frequent during RAAM.

I find this hard to believe, due to cost. Are the results of the
testing published? What rules do they use to decide what is banned?
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On Jul 26, 5:31 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]>

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Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Now having watched both RAAM and TDF, the biggest difference between the two
races is at RAAM the first guy across the finish line wins. In the TDF it
could be the second, third or fourth guy across the finish line. The tdf
always keeps you guessing on who really won, maybe that's why many consider
it better than RAAM, because of the uncertainty.

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Dumbass:

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this doesn't happen in RAAM because their testing regime is nonexistent.

Not exactly One of the owners of RAAM is a customer of mine and their
testing is both rigorous and frequent during RAAM. BUT the difference
is that RAAM riders welcome testing whereas racers in the european
peloton view it as an inconvenience and a chore..cuz they may get
caught!!!! Bunch of [censored]. I hope they all lose their jobs and pro
cycling in Europe disappears.

Assuming this is true, I apologize for my earlier joke, which I
thought contained at least a kernel of truth.

In fact, I go with JT's explanation as well: doping for RAAM would be
only slightly less dumb than Cat 4 doping, or beer league softball
doping (oh, you know it's happened, don't you?)

I don't hope pro cycling disappears, and I doubt it will. Sponsors may
drift away, leading to lower team budgets, reduced rider salaries, and
more dubious sponsors (you'll know the era has arrived when
Goldenpalace gets a Div III team...). But there's a lot of races in
Europe that are just going to happen because they're a huge local
happening. Even if it was only 20 un-salaried Belgians riding around
the houses, Paris-Roubaix would go on.

Think of pro cycling with cyclocross-sized crowds and you're getting
there.