Moreni positive

Ekul Namsob said:

L'Équipe reports:

After Vinokourov... the Italian Cristian Moreni (Cofidis) tested
positive for exogenous testosterone following the 11th stage.

<http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2007/20070725_172716Dev.html>

For those like myself that don't parlez francaise
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/6915683.stm

I wonder if they should just test every single rider after
every stage.

Martin.

Ekul Namsob said:

L'Équipe reports:

After Vinokourov... the Italian Cristian Moreni (Cofidis) tested
positive for exogenous testosterone following the 11th stage.

<http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2007/20070725_172716Dev.html>

Yet another breach of procedures by the infamous LNDD lab who have still
not learnt any lessons about leaking results. But then when there are
no penalties on them for doing so why would they bother?

Tony

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Quoted message said:

Ekul Namsob said:

L'Équipe reports:

After Vinokourov... the Italian Cristian Moreni (Cofidis) tested
positive for exogenous testosterone following the 11th stage.

<http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2007/20070725_172716Dev.html>

Yet another breach of procedures by the infamous LNDD lab who have still not
learnt any lessons about leaking results. But then when there are no
penalties on them for doing so why would they bother?

Tony

You are just making excuses for professional bike riders who use drugs in
their bodies to earn money

I believe the laboratory should be ordained , under international law, to
disclose all test made within a very very short period -- a day, 2 days at the
outside

Drug enhanced performances are obviously a big problem in "SPORT" ( but it
isn't sport is it).

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Tony Raven said:

Yet another breach of procedures by the infamous LNDD lab who have still
not learnt any lessons about leaking results. But then when there are
no penalties on them for doing so why would they bother?

I don't understand why the UCI doesn't give the samples to l'Equipe for
testing and save themselves a whole lot of money 😉

--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

M-gineering said:

Tony Raven said:

Yet another breach of procedures by the infamous LNDD lab who have
still not learnt any lessons about leaking results. But then when
there are no penalties on them for doing so why would they bother?

I don't understand why the UCI doesn't give the samples to l'Equipe for
testing and save themselves a whole lot of money 😉

Or just get l'Equipe to pick which foreign rider they want to throw
out next, save even the problem of taking tests.
l'Equipe has never been slow at coming forward against foriegn
competitors , in the 60s Aaltonen had to drive a showroom Mini Cooper S
up the Col De Turin to rpove that the works cars were "clean"

Ekul Namsob said:

L'Équipe reports:

After Vinokourov... the Italian Cristian Moreni (Cofidis) tested
positive for exogenous testosterone following the 11th stage.

<http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2007/20070725_172716Dev.html>

Cofidis have withdrawn from le Tour, including Bradley.

--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the
legislature is in session." (Judge Gideon J. Tucker, 1866.)

Don Whybrow said:

Ekul Namsob said:

L'Équipe reports:

Quoted message said:

After Vinokourov... the Italian Cristian Moreni (Cofidis) tested
positive for exogenous testosterone following the 11th stage.

Quoted message said:

<http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2007/20070725_172716Dev.html>

Cofidis have withdrawn from le Tour, including Bradley.

--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the
legislature is in session." (Judge Gideon J. Tucker, 1866.)

Excellent. Now all we need is for the cheats to face a life ban and
criminal charges for multi million pound fraud and the war on drugs
would start to be won.

This is potentially a great day for cycling. No-one can single out
cycling as being a druggie sport until other codes get tested the
same. The more cheats that are exposed and the harder they get
punished, the better the situation becomes.

Lets hope Rabo are now persuaded to pull out.

There should be an investigation into why the cheats are detected in
the Grand Boucle but not in other top level races. Testing needs to be
stepped up throughout the year and much more resources put into it.

"Ekul Namsob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

L'Équipe reports:

After Vinokourov... the Italian Cristian Moreni (Cofidis) tested
positive for exogenous testosterone following the 11th stage.

<http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2007/20070725_172716Dev.html>

Maybe they should let them get on with it and give the Yellow Jersey for the
best drugs! They all know what they're doing.

Ken.

raisethe said:

There should be an investigation into why the cheats are detected in
the Grand Boucle but not in other top level races. Testing needs to be
stepped up throughout the year and much more resources put into it.

Agreed particularly as the biggest difference is the lab doing the tests
- a lab which has been censured by the UCI's official investigator and
has a track record of leaks, poor procedural controls and results that
had to be rescinded. The test labs should be subject to independent
expert GLP audit not the incestuous WADA system with its omerta.

Tony

Tony Raven said:

raisethe said:

There should be an investigation into why the cheats are detected in
the Grand Boucle but not in other top level races. Testing needs to be
stepped up throughout the year and much more resources put into it.

Agreed particularly as the biggest difference is the lab doing the tests
- a lab which has been censured by the UCI's official investigator and
has a track record of leaks, poor procedural controls and results that
had to be rescinded. The test labs should be subject to independent
expert GLP audit not the incestuous WADA system with its omerta.

Tony

Fair enough.

A more cynical man than myself might question the recent interest by
the French in drugs at a time when their own cyclists are no longer at
the very top of the sport.

Good quality labs would be self-financing, paid for by appropriating
career earnings of the cheats.

raisethe said:

Good quality labs would be self-financing, paid for by appropriating
career earnings of the cheats.

Would that not give the labs an incentive to identify at least a minimum
quota of positive samples? Sounds dangerous to me.

--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk/danny/>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down.
Daddy, why did you put that down?" - Charlie Colyer, age 2

Danny Colyer said:

raisethe said:

Good quality labs would be self-financing, paid for by appropriating
career earnings of the cheats.

Would that not give the labs an incentive to identify at least a minimum
quota of positive samples? Sounds dangerous to me.

<aol>

There should be no incentive for labs to find pos or neg
results. It should be completely scientific.

Martin.

Danny Colyer said:

raisethe said:

Good quality labs would be self-financing, paid for by appropriating
career earnings of the cheats.

Would that not give the labs an incentive to identify at least a minimum
quota of positive samples? Sounds dangerous to me.

Yes, it would if there was direct linkage between funding the labs and
the number of positives they have. This would clearly need to be
avoided.

Of course, as Tony said on another thread, the labs would need to be
audited to help ensure the quality of their results.

raisethe said:

Of course, as Tony said on another thread, the labs would need to be
audited to help ensure the quality of their results.

Independently audited. I have been audited in the pharma industry and I
can tell you if this was a drugs or diagnostics lab it would be shut
down in an instant by a regulatory body.

Tony

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"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ekul Namsob said:

L'Équipe reports:

After Vinokourov... the Italian Cristian Moreni (Cofidis) tested
positive for exogenous testosterone following the 11th stage.

<http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2007/20070725_172716Dev.html>

Yet another breach of procedures by the infamous LNDD lab who have still
not
learnt any lessons about leaking results. But then when there are no
penalties on them for doing so why would they bother?

You are just making excuses for professional bike riders who use drugs in
their bodies to earn money

I believe the laboratory should be ordained , under international law, to
disclose all test made within a very very short period -- a day, 2 days
at the outside

These aren't simple tests, and they aren't 'black and white' tests. The
procedures are complex and sensitive and the interpretation of the data
isn't simple and experts may disagree (which is why there are 'B'
samples). You wreck people's careers with false positives, and there
certainly have been false positives.

This is a very difficult nexus of science, politics and money. I do not
believe that judgements made under time pressure are in anyone's interest.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.