No matter the reason or no matter which event one does, we have to acknowledge that respect is do to anyone who has the moxy to enter and complete the Ironman distance. Lots of good thoughts were passed about in the discussion of IMH and special interest / eBay entrants. It would be nice if our ideals of how IMH should be conducted could become reality though few are likely to. IMH and most other IM distance events are a challenge even for those who have done several. It is not just the event but the essence of the others at any starting, the apprehension, expectation and accomplishment of reaching that point.
Hope to catch some of you on the start line one of these days.
Thanks for putting the discussion all back into perspective. You make valid points (and talk, here at least, is cheap. ebay is another matter....).
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No matter the reason or no matter which event one does, we have to acknowledge that respect is do to anyone who has the moxy to enter and complete the Ironman distance. Lots of good thoughts were passed about
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the discussion of IMH and special interest / eBay entrants. It would be nice if our ideals of how IMH should be conducted could become reality though few are likely to. IMH and most other IM distance events are a challenge even for those who have done several. It is not just the event but the essence of the others at any starting, the apprehension,
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and accomplishment of reaching that point.
Hope to catch some of you on the start line one of these days.
I don't acknowledge that finishing an IM autoamtically earns you some level respect or a certain status among triathletes.
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No matter the reason or no matter which event one does, we have to acknowledge that respect is do to anyone who has the moxy to enter and complete the Ironman distance. Lots of good thoughts were passed about
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the discussion of IMH and special interest / eBay entrants. It would be nice if our ideals of how IMH should be conducted could become reality though few are likely to. IMH and most other IM distance events are a challenge even for those who have done several. It is not just the event but the essence of the others at any starting, the apprehension,
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and accomplishment of reaching that point.
Hope to catch some of you on the start line one of these days.
I don't acknowledge that finishing an IM autoamtically earns you some level respect or a certain status among triathletes.
That's because you're a jackass. Every triathlete I know has respect for Ironman finishers--I don't count you, because I don't know you, thank God. But we established long ago that you're an elitist idiot.
Why do you keep switching ISPs, forcing me to killfile you repeatedly?
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."
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Well, we have different views and you are entitled to you'rs. I never seen anything on status mentioned, that is your input.
I have competed in only 5 IM races. finished with one 3rd, 2nds and 2 firsts in age group and I do have a certain respect for all who committ and finish regardless of the placing. I have a bit extra respect for those that get in by qualifying as I know what the committement is from experience. My ideal would be to see the a requirement to qualify for all sanctioned events of IM distance but that has nothing to do with respect for those that get in and finish.
Only a small percentage of the worlds population has the moxy to attempt.
My ideal would be to see the a requirement to qualify for all sanctioned events of IM distance but that has nothing to do with respect for those that get in and finish.
What do you mean? Do you mean you'd like to see people have to qualify for, say, IM USA or IM Florida? If so, what type of qualification do you think is appropriate?
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."
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those that get in and finish.
What do you mean? Do you mean you'd like to see people have to qualify for, say, IM USA or IM Florida? If so, what type of qualification do you think is appropriate?
--Harold Buck
Not much Harold. Nothing like getting into Kona. I think completing 2 Olympic and one Half IM would be good. My reasoning is that even a little experience gives a degree of "Qualification". One of the things often experienced by other competitors is unintentional interference from first timers. We all probably are guilty at some time in our triathlon careers. I believe that most will agree that there is far less interference at IMH than most other events. simple little things like knowing transition area etiquette, not doing a frog kick at the start of a swim or when sighting a destination point, not intentionally ripping the Speedo, or goggles off the person you are overtaking. Just having the experience to know the rules. I was amazed during my competition at Panama City just how many people were competing with absolutely no apparent knowledge or experience.
one more thing to add to my reasoning. I all to frequently see accidents caused by inexperienced people not securing equipment to their bikes. Pumps and other equipment often cause others to fall when they get launched. A race or two for qualification prior to any advanced event would do wonders for keeping the course free of accidents and interferance. Ken
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those that get in and finish.
What do you mean? Do you mean you'd like to see people have to qualify for, say, IM USA or IM Florida? If so, what type of qualification do you think is appropriate?
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."
Not much Harold. Nothing like getting into Kona. I think completing 2 Olympic and one Half IM would be good. My reasoning is that even a little experience gives a degree of "Qualification". One of the things often experienced by other competitors is unintentional interference from first timers. We all probably are guilty at some time in our triathlon careers. I believe that most will agree that there is far less interference at IMH than most other events. simple little things like knowing transition area etiquette, not doing a frog kick at the start of a swim or when sighting a destination point, not intentionally ripping the Speedo, or goggles off the person you are overtaking. Just having the experience to know the rules. I was amazed during my competition at Panama City just how many people were competing with absolutely no apparent knowledge or experience.
Ken
I agree with virtually everything you said Ken, except for one thing. I'm not sure that doing two Olympic and one half IM would necessarily impart a knowledge of the rules or etiquette into someone.
Not much Harold. Nothing like getting into Kona. I think completing 2 Olympic and one Half IM would be good. My reasoning is that even a little experience gives a degree of "Qualification". One of the things often experienced by other competitors is unintentional interference from first timers. We all probably are guilty at some time in our triathlon careers. I believe that most will agree that there is far less interference at IMH than most other events. simple little things like knowing transition area etiquette, not doing a frog kick at the start of a swim or when sighting a destination point, not intentionally ripping the Speedo, or goggles off the person you are overtaking. Just having the experience to know the rules. I was amazed during my competition at Panama City just how many people were competing with absolutely no apparent knowledge or experience.
I agree that completing a few races like you suggest would be reasonable. However, I can't imagine *too* many people are signing up for IMs without doing any other tris first. I'd be amazed if even 1% of triathletes do their first tri as an IM.
Of course, there *are* idiots out there, but maybe it's not because of lack of experience.
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."
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competing with absolutely no apparent knowledge or experience.
I agree that completing a few races like you suggest would be reasonable. However, I can't imagine *too* many people are signing up for IMs without doing any other tris first. I'd be amazed if even 1% of triathletes do their first tri as an IM.
Of course, there *are* idiots out there, but maybe it's not because of lack of experience.
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."
- Homer J. Simpson
I have no real idea about the history of the Ironman, however, wasn't the "original" Ironman in Hawaii a first time triathlon for those guys? And they didn't have anywhere near that amount of great equipment or training knowledge we have. However, I agree, it is important to get some experience. Especially in the swim. I would have hated to have freaked out like I did in my first tri in an Ironman swim! Thank goodness it was only a sprint! 🙂 M~
I know 1-2 people that took on IMoo as there very first triathlon. I know 5-10 people who had IMoo as their 2nd or 3rd tri.
You know who gives IM finishers respect? The average Joe. The guys I toss back beers with on Thursday night who think I'm just a beer guzzler just like them. The parent's at my kid's school who think I am a frazzled parent just like they are. The people at work who I've never had a chance to talk too.
Anyone who has the moxy to complete any triathlon deserves some respect. Not everyone is willing to challenge themselves.
Mark
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Not much Harold. Nothing like getting into Kona. I think completing 2 Olympic and one Half IM would be good. My reasoning is that even a little experience gives a degree of "Qualification". One of the things often experienced by other competitors is unintentional interference from first timers. We all probably are guilty at some time in our triathlon careers. I believe that most will agree that there is far less interference at IMH than most other events. simple little things like knowing transition area etiquette, not doing a frog kick at the start of a swim or when sighting a destination point, not intentionally ripping the Speedo, or goggles off the person you are overtaking. Just having the experience to know the rules. I was amazed during my competition at Panama City just how many people were competing with absolutely no apparent knowledge or experience.
I agree that completing a few races like you suggest would be reasonable. However, I can't imagine *too* many people are signing up for IMs without doing any other tris first. I'd be amazed if even 1% of triathletes do their first tri as an IM.
Of course, there *are* idiots out there, but maybe it's not because of lack of experience.
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."
I know 1-2 people that took on IMoo as there very first triathlon. I know 5-10 people who had IMoo as their 2nd or 3rd tri.
I waited until my 5th to do IMH, more than a year after my first triathlon. What is the oo after the IM? Maybe I could have done that one sooner. Ummm...oo as in Moo? Moo as in Wisconsin? Duh.
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I know 1-2 people that took on IMoo as there very first triathlon. I know 5-10 people who had IMoo as their 2nd or 3rd tri.
I waited until my 5th to do IMH, more than a year after my first triathlon.
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Wow. I *just* got brave enough to sign up for an IM this year, and I did my first tri in 1988 and have done about 60 since then, including 3 HIM's. I don't like to rush into things. :-)
Susan in LA (still terrified at the prospect but feeling like it's now or never....my first event was not Ironkids!)
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Wow. I *just* got brave enough to sign up for an IM this year, and I did my first tri in 1988 and have done about 60 since then, including 3 HIM's. I don't like to rush into things. :-)
Clearly you don't have the burden of knowing that an if IM doesn't get done today it may not be possible tomorrow. It was the potential of now or never that got me there so quickly. My last time was in 1999, 11 years after the first and now I definitely can't do it. Knees and stuff.
Wow. I *just* got brave enough to sign up for an IM this year, and I did my first tri in 1988 and have done about 60 since then, including 3 HIM's. I don't like to rush into things. :-)
Good luck and keep us posted. I did fine--my goal was to finish--in my first IM despite getting about half of my planned training in due to family issues (wiffe losing job, moving to another state, etc.). Just get those long workouts in!
Which race are you doing?
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."
Thank you for the encouragement! It's terrific you were still able to complete your first IM despite your training being compromised.
Susan
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Good luck and keep us posted. I did fine--my goal was to finish--in my first IM despite getting about half of my planned training in due to family issues (wiffe losing job, moving to another state, etc.). Just get those long workouts in!
Which race are you doing?
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."
