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    News article from Willamette Week (Portland, Oregon) - July 11, 2007

    After the 2007 Oregon Legislature failed to fix the "fixies" law, the
    tickets continue to fly in Portland.

    Like in a Richard Scarry book, downtown Portland on a weekday afternoon
    bustles with many forms of transportation. Buses pass pedestrians who
    just got off the MAX, and taxis roll through stop signs while cars line
    up on Burnside.

    Unlike a children's book utopia, however, not everyone's happy with all
    the ways to get around. Zipping through traffic, fixed-gear bikes, or
    "fixies," continue to be ticketed by Portland police for what the cops
    consider equipment violations.

    The ongoing ticketing highlights the Legislature's recent failure to
    clear up legal ambiguities around the bikes, which are brought to a stop
    by the application of back pressure on the pedals instead of more common
    hand or coaster brakes. The legs of the cyclist, coupled with the bike's
    gearing, act as a brake.

    Local bike advocacy lawyer Mark Ginsberg worked with Oregon legislators
    in the just-concluded session to fix matters with Senate Bill 729. That
    bill included a provision that said fixed-gear bicycles are "not
    required to be equipped with a separate brake."

    "We just spent a lot of time in the Legislature, and we thought we had
    it clarified," says Ginsberg.

    But the fixies clause in the larger bill dealing with bikes died in the
    Judiciary Conference Committee after Sen. Ginny Burdick (D-Southwest
    Portland) stripped it out. A local bike blog, bikeportland.org, reports
    that Burdick's daughter lobbied her not to green-light the surge of
    inexperienced fixie riders.

    "After it initially went through, I had a lot of reservations," Burdick
    said in an interview with Jonathan Maus, editor of Bikeportland. "My own
    daughter (who works at River City Bicycles in Portland) rides fixies on
    the velodrome. She jumped on me pretty hard and said there were a lot of
    people on fixies who really don't know what they're doing, so changing
    the standard across the board would not be a good idea."

    River City Bicycles sells one type of fixed-gear bicycle without brakes.
    All its other models come with brakes. Most bike shops in Portland that
    offer fixies, including Bike Gallery and Bike N' Hike, sell them with
    brakes.

    Sleek and simple, fixies have become popular with everyone from couriers
    to a hipper sect of the bike commuter set. At the same time, some of
    these cyclists claim police, exploiting a vaguely written fixies
    provision left untouched by the Legislature, are targeting them.

    "They're real selective about who they give tickets to," says Matthew
    Henry, 23, a bike messenger who has been ticketed five times for riding
    a "brakeless" bike. Citations cost $97 apiece.

    "They're focusing on the messengers," says Tab Bamford, an independent
    bike courier. "And they're the ones who actually know how to ride these
    bikes."

    Portland police estimate that they give anywhere between four and 10
    citations a week for "bicycle equipment violations," the infraction
    given to fixed-gear bicycles not equipped with a standard brake. But
    police insist they do not target specific people.

    "Most of these guys are messengers running from building to building
    downtown, and that's where I am," says Officer Bret Barnum, a motorcycle
    cop. "We're not out to target people."

    Bamford, 30, has been a messenger for over six years and has twice won
    the North American Cycle Courier Championships, first in 2002 in Houston
    and then in 2003 in Washington, D.C. While he feels that messengers are
    being unfairly penalized, he realizes the bikes can be dangerous under
    the heels of the inexperienced. Without the proper strength, the bikes
    are hard to stop. Portland police say legs aren't brakes.

    "In the interest of public safety, you do need a separate mechanism,"
    says Barnum. He and Officer Bill Balzer, another Portland motorcycle
    cop, hand out over 90 percent of the citations in question. He says the
    way the law is written "leaves it open for interpretation" and that he
    reads the law as requiring "an independent mechanism that allows the
    bike to stop."

    Not everyone, however, reads it that way. Currently, Oregon Revised
    Statutes 815.280(2)(a) says a bike "must be equipped with a brake that
    enables the operator to make the braked wheels skid on dry, level, clean
    pavement." On Jan. 1, SB 729 clarified the law a bit. Instead of
    skidding, cyclists must show they can stop within 15 feet going 10 mph.

    "What does 'equipped' mean? What does 'brake' mean?" Ginsberg says.
    "Nowhere does it say you need a mechanical caliper brake."

    State Sen. Jason Atkinson (R-Central Point), who worked closely with
    Ginsberg on SB 729 last session, raced bikes professionally for eight
    years before he "went through a windshield and went into politics."

    "A large number of people don't understand how many fixies there are and
    how safe they are," says Atkinson, the original sponsor of the bill.

    But Barnum disagrees, saying that it's "about safety for everybody."

    "The silent majority have said, 'Hey, guys, put your brake on and you're
    good to go,'" he says. "The vocal minority are the same 20, 25 people
    who refuse to do this."

    ~

  2. On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:16:22 -0700, [email hidden] (Paul J. Berg)
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    "After it initially went through, I had a lot of reservations," Burdick
    said in an interview with Jonathan Maus, editor of Bikeportland. "My own
    daughter (who works at River City Bicycles in Portland) rides fixies on
    the velodrome. She jumped on me pretty hard and said there were a lot of
    people on fixies who really don't know what they're doing, so changing
    the standard across the board would not be a good idea."

    Quoted message said:

    River City Bicycles sells one type of fixed-gear bicycle without brakes.

    <snip>

    The solution is clear! Arrest the people selling those fixies without
    brakes for causing this problem. I'm sure that right after her
    daughter gets arrested, Sen Burdick will have a change of heart.

  3. On Jul 21, 7:16 am, [email hidden] (Paul J. Berg) wrote:
    .....Matthew

    Quoted message said:

    Henry, 23, a bike messenger who has been ticketed five times for riding
    a "brakeless" bike. Citations cost $97 apiece....

    Sounds like a real brainy guy.

  4. Camilo said:

    On Jul 21, 7:16 am, [email hidden] (Paul J. Berg) wrote:
    ....Matthew

    Quoted message said:

    Henry, 23, a bike messenger who has been ticketed five times for riding
    a "brakeless" bike. Citations cost $97 apiece....

    Sounds like a real brainy guy.

    Yeah.....he works to fund his mis-guided sense of civil disobedience.

  5. still me said:

    On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:16:22 -0700, [email hidden] (Paul J. Berg)
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    "After it initially went through, I had a lot of reservations," Burdick
    said in an interview with Jonathan Maus, editor of Bikeportland. "My own
    daughter (who works at River City Bicycles in Portland) rides fixies on
    the velodrome. She jumped on me pretty hard and said there were a lot of
    people on fixies who really don't know what they're doing, so changing
    the standard across the board would not be a good idea."

    Quoted message said:

    River City Bicycles sells one type of fixed-gear bicycle without brakes.

    <snip>

    The solution is clear! Arrest the people selling those fixies without
    brakes for causing this problem. I'm sure that right after her
    daughter gets arrested, Sen Burdick will have a change of heart.

    Slap a big old warning sticker "FOR VELODROME USE ONLY" on the fixie
    bicycles without front brakes.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  6. Paul J. Berg said:

    News article from Willamette Week (Portland, Oregon) - July 11, 2007

    Quoted message said:

    After the 2007 Oregon Legislature failed to fix the "fixies" law,
    the tickets continue to fly in Portland.

    Quoted message said:

    Like in a Richard Scarry book, downtown Portland on a weekday
    afternoon bustles with many forms of transportation. Buses pass
    pedestrians who just got off the MAX, and taxis roll through stop
    signs while cars line up on Burnside.

    Quoted message said:

    Unlike a children's book utopia, however, not everyone's happy with
    all the ways to get around. Zipping through traffic, fixed-gear
    bikes, or "fixies," continue to be ticketed by Portland police for
    what the cops consider equipment violations.

    Quoted message said:

    The ongoing ticketing highlights the Legislature's recent failure to
    clear up legal ambiguities around the bikes, which are brought to a
    stop by the application of back pressure on the pedals instead of
    more common hand or coaster brakes. The legs of the cyclist, coupled
    with the bike's gearing, act as a brake.

    Quoted message said:

    ...

    You may think you are in safe control of a fixed gear bicycle without
    brakes, but you are not. I think you might better understand that If
    you rode a conventionally equipped road bicycle with front and rear
    brake and were to dash through city traffic. The only feature would
    be that the front brake was disabled so you had only a rear brake.
    The ability to stop a bicycle with a rear brake for aggressive riding
    is ludicrous.

    Next time you ride down a mountain road, try doing that using only the
    rear brake. I've had to do that and it is slow and tedious. Back
    pedaling is about half as effective as a rear brake (that can skid the
    rear wheel at any time), because pedal torque approaches zero as the
    cranks are in their near vertical quadrant, half of the pedal stroke.

    Jobst Brandt

  7. "Ozark Bicycle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Camilo said:

    On Jul 21, 7:16 am, [email hidden] (Paul J. Berg) wrote:
    ....Matthew

    Quoted message said:

    Henry, 23, a bike messenger who has been ticketed five times for riding
    a "brakeless" bike. Citations cost $97 apiece....


    In my 'hood, the single speed/fixtie thing is an epidemic. A number of
    small shops have sprung up to build up or service these bikes. Any old junk
    frame that has horizontal dropouts is now worth gold. I could probably make
    a living from buying yard-sale 10-speed bikes, stripping off all of the
    components, and then re-flogging them as "fixed-gear" frames.

    It pains me to see some of the more experienced bike shop guys having to
    satisfy this market. Guys that have seen all kinds of bike fads come and
    go, and yet against all reason have to cave in and give customers what they
    think they want. In the 70's these guys were shoveling cheap 10-speeds out
    the door to folks whose backs and necks could not handle a road bike. In
    2000 everyone was supposed to be tootling around the pavement in their
    cul-de-sac on a 45 pound full-suspension bike. Now on fixed-gears, folks
    are blowing lungs and knees climbing hills, and having their bike run away
    from them on the downhills.

    I have pals whose wives work in regional hospital emergency wards. Last
    year, the popular walk-in injuries among the young and stupid was infected
    (pierced) tongues for girls and arm/wrist injuries for guys (snowboarding
    and North-Shore bike MTB riding). Now I learn that fixed-gear riders are
    right up there. This includes experienced couriers who run into fixed
    objects in the downtown core.

    The downside for me is that I had bought a heavily discounted track frame a
    while back with the intention of building up into a single-speed bike - yes,
    with two good hand brakes and a freehub. Now I have to sit on this project
    perhaps for several years until this fad withers.

  8. In rec.bicycles.misc landotter said:
    (Paul J. Berg) said:


    News article from Willamette Week (Portland, Oregon) - July 11, 2007

    After the 2007 Oregon Legislature failed to fix the "fixies" law, the
    tickets continue to fly in Portland.

    Like in a Richard Scarry book, downtown Portland on a weekday afternoon
    bustles with many forms of transportation. Buses pass pedestrians who
    just got off the MAX, and taxis roll through stop signs while cars line
    up on Burnside.

    Unlike a children's book utopia, however, not everyone's happy with all
    the ways to get around. Zipping through traffic, fixed-gear bikes, or
    "fixies," continue to be ticketed by Portland police for what the cops
    consider equipment violations.

    Good. If you're so hip to not be able to install a $10 front caliper
    at the co-op--you get what's coming to ya. I hope they strengthen the
    law. IMHO all adult bikes should be required to have two brakes--in
    that case, a fixed gear may count as one.

    Personally I feel so strongly about the injustice of the issue, I'm
    thinking about stopping by Reload and picking up this shirt:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/taisau/534718117/

    --
    Dane Buson - [email hidden]
    "On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT"
    (Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, [email hidden])

  9. Dane Buson said:
    In rec.bicycles.misc landotter said:

    On Jul 21, 10:16 am, [email hidden] (Paul J. Berg) wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    News article from Willamette Week (Portland, Oregon) - July 11, 2007

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    After the 2007 Oregon Legislature failed to fix the "fixies" law, the
    tickets continue to fly in Portland.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Like in a Richard Scarry book, downtown Portland on a weekday afternoon
    bustles with many forms of transportation. Buses pass pedestrians who
    just got off the MAX, and taxis roll through stop signs while cars line
    up on Burnside.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Unlike a children's book utopia, however, not everyone's happy with all
    the ways to get around. Zipping through traffic, fixed-gear bikes, or
    "fixies," continue to be ticketed by Portland police for what the cops
    consider equipment violations.

    Quoted message said:

    Good. If you're so hip to not be able to install a $10 front caliper
    at the co-op--you get what's coming to ya. I hope they strengthen the
    law. IMHO all adult bikes should be required to have two brakes--in
    that case, a fixed gear may count as one.

    Personally I feel so strongly about the injustice of the issue, I'm
    thinking about stopping by Reload and picking up this shirt:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/taisau/534718117/

    OMG, that's beyond funny! I may have to print out an iron on. 😄

  10. "Paul J. Berg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sleek and simple, fixies have become popular with everyone from couriers
    to a hipper sect of the bike commuter set.


    Hipper than who?

    These people discussed in this article in the newspaper of record must think
    they are hip:
    http://tinyurl.com/279hov

    My view is that it doesn't get any hipper than my commuting tank:
    http://tinyurl.com/2sbmr2

    BobT

  11. (Paul J. Berg) said:

    "A large number of people don't understand how many fixies there are and
    how safe they are," says Atkinson, the original sponsor of the bill.

    Those of us who learned to ride in the 50s know that pedal brakes are
    far better than those flimsy caliper things controlled on the
    handlebar. Pedal brakes can flat-out shut down the real wheel, so
    much so that you can easily skid and leave rubber on the road if
    that's something you want to do. Try that with calipers. As if.
    Calipers don't have anything like that kind of stopping power.

    Plus the front wheel caliper brake is dangerous. Imedes steering
    control AND can throw you head over heels.

  12. On Jul 21, 1:22 pm, "BobT" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Paul J. Berg" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sleek and simple, fixies have become popular with everyone from couriers
    to a hipper sect of the bike commuter set.

    Hipper than who?

    These people discussed in this article in the newspaper of record must think
    they are hip:http://tinyurl.com/279hov

    My view is that it doesn't get any hipper than my commuting tank:http://tinyurl.com/2sbmr2

    Considering the thoughtfulness and luxe quality of most of that bike,
    you've seriously underbelled yourself. Even a single clapper stem
    mounted Japanese model would be a step up. It's like you've left the
    plastic studs in the tuxedo shirt.

  13. Spread Eagle® said:
    (Paul J. Berg) said:

    "A large number of people don't understand how many fixies there are and
    how safe they are," says Atkinson, the original sponsor of the bill.

    Those of us who learned to ride in the 50s know that pedal brakes are
    far better than those flimsy caliper things controlled on the
    handlebar. Pedal brakes can flat-out shut down the real wheel, so
    much so that you can easily skid and leave rubber on the road if
    that's something you want to do. Try that with calipers. As if.
    Calipers don't have anything like that kind of stopping power.

    Plus the front wheel caliper brake is dangerous. Imedes steering
    control AND can throw you head over heels.

    Ranting Grandpap:

    2 jiggers prune juice
    1 jigger vodka
    splash of Maalox
    generous shake of bitters (Angustora, or just point shaker at
    retirement home)

    Combine at room temperature, shake, and serve in an Ralph Kramden
    sippy cup.

  14. Michael Press said:

    I was on my drop bar utility bicycle in street clothes
    with groceries in the panniers. I came up on a red
    light at 20 kph and put on the brakes. I hear a shouted
    `Oh!' behind me. It is a full kit kiddie who had
    silently got up behind and did not expect me to stop. I
    said `What do you mean "Oh!" He would not answer, I
    kept asking. He never owned up, the jerk, but tried to
    abuse me for my pains, the [censored].

    Just ask them if they think it's OK to tailgate in a car as well. Or
    my favorite: pass on a blind recreation path corner--something that
    you'd not think of doing in a car--but when you're on a bike and the
    Hoff's greatest pop hits are blasting in your ear buds--it makes
    perfect sense.

  15. Tom \'Johnny Sunset\' Sherman said:

    "still me" wrote:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    The solution is clear! Arrest the people selling those fixies without
    brakes for causing this problem. I'm sure that right after her
    daughter gets arrested, Sen Burdick will have a change of heart.

    Slap a big old warning sticker "FOR VELODROME USE ONLY" on the fixie
    bicycles without front brakes.

    Or to paraphrase Tom Waits, hang the sign from a nail in the
    customer's forehead.

  16. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Dane Buson said:

    "On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT"
    (Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, [email hidden])

    Sure they do. Ferinstance

    User-Agent: tin/1.8.1-20060215 ("Mealasta"😉 (UNIX)
    (Linux/2.6.17-jad1-default (i686))

    --
    Michael Press

  17. In article <YYqoi.135509$1i1.83958@pd7urf3no>,

    Dave Mayer said:

    The downside for me is that I had bought a heavily discounted track frame a
    while back with the intention of building up into a single-speed bike - yes,
    with two good hand brakes and a freehub. Now I have to sit on this project
    perhaps for several years until this fad withers.

    I do not see why. Put the brakes on. Who will notice?
    A: the no brake crowd. Consider it a community service.
    The NBC won't be able to handle somebody more different
    than they are. If you are to be a slave to fashion,
    make it your fashion.

    --
    Michael Press

  18. Dave Mayer said:

    The downside for me is that I had bought a heavily discounted track frame a
    while back with the intention of building up into a single-speed bike - yes,
    with two good hand brakes and a freehub. Now I have to sit on this project
    perhaps for several years until this fad withers.

    Why?

    You will not get a ticket.

  19. Michael Press said:

    In article <YYqoi.135509$1i1.83958@pd7urf3no>,

    Dave Mayer said:

    The downside for me is that I had bought a heavily discounted track frame a
    while back with the intention of building up into a single-speed bike - yes,
    with two good hand brakes and a freehub. Now I have to sit on this project
    perhaps for several years until this fad withers.

    I do not see why. Put the brakes on. Who will notice?
    A: the no brake crowd. Consider it a community service.
    The NBC won't be able to handle somebody more different
    than they are. If you are to be a slave to fashion,
    make it your fashion.

    Anyone else thinking "spoon brake"?

  20. Bill Sornson said:
    Michael Press said:

    ...
    I was on my drop bar utility bicycle in street clothes
    with groceries in the panniers. I came up on a red
    light at 20 kph and put on the brakes. I hear a shouted
    `Oh!' behind me. It is a full kit kiddie who had
    silently got up behind and did not expect me to stop. I
    said `What do you mean "Oh!" He would not answer, I
    kept asking. He never owned up, the jerk, but tried to
    abuse me for my pains, the [censored].

    No issues there! LOL

    Er, Bill, that is NOT what Peter meant. Family newsgroup, you know. 😉

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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