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  1. Once again I am way ahead of the curve:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/dining/30wate.html?ex=1338264000&en=2496105c592032e6&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

    Yes, Alice Waters has begun serving only tap water at Chez Panisse,
    because it's more sustainable (carbon emissions to ship all those
    bottles, plus the energy to produce the bottles, plus the waste even
    if you recycle). She also got the Berkeley Unified School System to
    serve tap water and cups at school. Amazing, huh?

    For years I have been drinking tap water - because I lived in NYC,
    which has fabulous tap water, then moved to the SF Bay Area, where my
    East Bay tap water is also top rated Sierra snowpack.

    I used to belly up to the bar at the Algonquin, when I was just a wee
    lass (of 26 or so) and ask for Croton Reservoir, as my buddy David
    Grinstead, bartender and writer, taught me. I could taste the
    difference between Brooklyn and Manhattan water. In fact, water taste
    varies by building in NYC - I am not sure why. Newer buildings have
    off-tasting water. Not too many New Yorkers refer to tap water as
    Croton Reservoir, but real New Yorkers instantly know what you're
    talking about.

    Twenty years ago and more in Brooklyn, I also subscribed to the local
    seltzer service (again thanks to Mr. & Mrs. Grinstead, my neighbors,
    who were expert at sniffing out the best deals and tastiest food &
    drink). Every week we got an ancient wooden crate of antique seltzer
    bottles filled with brand new gassy water. It cost ten dollars a week,
    plus a $20 refundable deposit against the bottles. Even the truck was
    an antique. It was a real experience.

    Then I moved to California. My brother, in Santa Cruz, earned a Ph.D.
    in marine geo-chemistry and got a job with the California Water Board,
    SF Bay division. I have been hearing ever since about the water here
    in the Bay Area. When I was undergoing chemotherapy, I asked him if I
    should be filtering my tap water. He said "our water here in the Bay
    Area is the best water that has ever been consistently delivered in
    human history. If you want to filter the best water in human history,
    be my guest." I decided to skip it.

    Around Northern California, Dasani water is bottled in Milpitas, which
    does NOT get our lovely Sierra snowpack water we get in Oakland/
    Berkeley. It's filtered, big deal, but it is MIlpitas tap water and it
    tastes wretched. Why people buy it, I do not understand.

    In fact, one more reason why I would never leave overpriced Oakland
    for the suburbs is: their water sucks. I was just in Monterey. The tap
    water is putrid. They are running out of water and draining the Carmel
    River.

    I am so uncool, out of it, low tech and low fashion; I don't do foodie
    one-upmanship, my food is not 100% organic, or vegan, or French, or
    locally grown; I don't bother with fine wines because the tannins stop
    up my nose and render my taste buds completely useless. But on this
    new trendlet, I can preen. I am definitely ahead of the crowd on this
    one.

    Signed,
    Leila the Water Drinker - give me some of that Hetch Hetchy, and make
    it snappy!

  2. Leila said:

    In fact, one more reason why I would never leave overpriced Oakland
    for the suburbs is: their water sucks.

    You got that right. When I first moved to the SFBA, I lived in
    Pleasanton and we had well water. It was absolutely undrinkable, even
    as Kool-Aid. Fortunately, delivery service Alhambra pre-dates the
    bottled water era. I'm still drinking it, because the water in
    Livermore gives me tummy aches. On the bright side, the tap water
    where I'm moving in CO is excellent. Makes even soft Hetch-Hetchy
    water seem rock hard in comparison.

    nb

  3. Leila said:

    Then I moved to California. My brother, in Santa Cruz, earned a Ph.D.
    in marine geo-chemistry and got a job with the California Water Board,
    SF Bay division. I have been hearing ever since about the water here
    in the Bay Area. When I was undergoing chemotherapy, I asked him if I
    should be filtering my tap water. He said "our water here in the Bay
    Area is the best water that has ever been consistently delivered in
    human history. If you want to filter the best water in human history,
    be my guest." I decided to skip it.

    I work for the feds, in water resources, and the hydrologists and
    chemists I work with say the same thing as your brother. They all
    drink tap.

    I wonder if the tap water is probably more monitored and regulated
    than bottled water? just thinking out loud.

    And glass is cleaner than plastic.

    Just thinking out loud again.

    Karen

  4. "Leila" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Once again I am way ahead of the curve:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/dining/30wate.html?ex=1338264000&en=2496105c592032e6&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

    Yes, Alice Waters has begun serving only tap water at Chez Panisse,
    because it's more sustainable (carbon emissions to ship all those
    bottles, plus the energy to produce the bottles, plus the waste even
    if you recycle). She also got the Berkeley Unified School System to
    serve tap water and cups at school. Amazing, huh?

    Have you seen the Penn & Teller video about bottled water? They printed up
    some fancy sounding labels for bottled water, and one of the guys posed as a
    water sommelier in a fancy restaurant. He sold customers "fancy" water using
    all sorts of [censored] description. But, the bottles were all being filled
    with water from a garden hose outside the restaurant. Customers imagined
    that they tasted various differences in the water. Finally, they revealed
    the prank to a couple of customers, who found it pretty funny.

  5. "Leila" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Once again I am way ahead of the curve:

    Here ya go. Don't be drinking anything when you watch this:

    Aqua de Culo! Water of ass! ROFL!

  6. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    Have you seen the Penn & Teller video about bottled water?

    Yep. Hilarious!

    You know the pretention meter is pegging its needle when a water
    steward shows up at your table.

    nb

  7. "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    Have you seen the Penn & Teller video about bottled water?

    Yep. Hilarious!

    You know the pretention meter is pegging its needle when a water
    steward shows up at your table.

    nb

    I'm surprised he was able to keep a straight face in front of the customers,
    considering the way he was cracking up outside with the hose.

  8. Leila said:

    Once again I am way ahead of the curve:


    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/dining/30wate.html?ex=1338264000&en=2496105c592032e6&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

    Quoted message said:


    Yes, Alice Waters has begun serving only tap water at Chez Panisse,
    because it's more sustainable (carbon emissions to ship all those
    bottles, plus the energy to produce the bottles, plus the waste even
    if you recycle). She also got the Berkeley Unified School System to
    serve tap water and cups at school. Amazing, huh?

    For years I have been drinking tap water - because I lived in NYC,
    which has fabulous tap water, then moved to the SF Bay Area, where my
    East Bay tap water is also top rated Sierra snowpack.


    (snippage)

    I've never understood the whole bottled water thing, unless you live where
    your tap water truly tastes like crud. But what did people do before these
    slick marketing minds came up with bottling water and selling it at such
    outrageous prices? I mean in the days before the advent of Brita filtered
    water pitchers?

    Jill


  9. Quoted message said:

    Have you seen the Penn & Teller video about bottled water? They printed up
    some fancy sounding labels for bottled water, and one of the guys posed as
    a water sommelier in a fancy restaurant. He sold customers "fancy" water
    using all sorts of [censored] description. But, the bottles were all being
    filled with water from a garden hose outside the restaurant. Customers
    imagined that they tasted various differences in the water. Finally, they
    revealed the prank to a couple of customers, who found it pretty funny.

    Penn and Teller have the funniest show on television. The water sommelier
    had me rolling. The fact that so very many customers fell for it was
    surprising. Though I guess pretention is what it is.

    Cindi

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    jmcquown said:

    (snippage)

    I've never understood the whole bottled water thing, unless you live where
    your tap water truly tastes like crud. But what did people do before these
    slick marketing minds came up with bottling water and selling it at such
    outrageous prices? I mean in the days before the advent of Brita filtered
    water pitchers?

    Jill

    When I was very young, ca. 1940, my folks had Arrowhead spring water
    delivered in 5 gal. bottles, like they do today. "Spring water"? Who
    knows...

    D.M.

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Leila said:

    Once again I am way ahead of the curve:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/dining/30wate.html?ex=1338264000&en=2496105c
    592032e6&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

    Yes, Alice Waters has begun serving only tap water at Chez Panisse,
    because it's more sustainable (carbon emissions to ship all those
    bottles, plus the energy to produce the bottles, plus the waste even
    if you recycle). She also got the Berkeley Unified School System to
    serve tap water and cups at school. Amazing, huh?

    For years I have been drinking tap water - because I lived in NYC,
    which has fabulous tap water, then moved to the SF Bay Area, where my
    East Bay tap water is also top rated Sierra snowpack.


    snip

    Quoted message said:

    I am so uncool, out of it, low tech and low fashion; I don't do foodie
    one-upmanship, my food is not 100% organic, or vegan, or French, or
    locally grown; I don't bother with fine wines because the tannins stop
    up my nose and render my taste buds completely useless. But on this
    new trendlet, I can preen. I am definitely ahead of the crowd on this
    one.

    Signed,
    Leila the Water Drinker - give me some of that Hetch Hetchy, and make
    it snappy!

    I never caught the bottled water bug, either. Seattle tap water is just
    fine for me. Greensboro's municipal water was a bit skanky at times
    (especially during dry summers), so we'd run it through the Brita filter.

    Cindy

    --
    C.J. Fuller

    Delete the obvious to email me

  12. Cindy Fuller said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Leila said:

    Once again I am way ahead of the curve:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/dining/30wate.html?ex=1338264000&en=2496105c
    592032e6&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

    Yes, Alice Waters has begun serving only tap water at Chez Panisse,
    because it's more sustainable (carbon emissions to ship all those
    bottles, plus the energy to produce the bottles, plus the waste even
    if you recycle). She also got the Berkeley Unified School System to
    serve tap water and cups at school. Amazing, huh?

    For years I have been drinking tap water - because I lived in NYC,
    which has fabulous tap water, then moved to the SF Bay Area, where my
    East Bay tap water is also top rated Sierra snowpack.


    snip

    Quoted message said:

    I am so uncool, out of it, low tech and low fashion; I don't do foodie
    one-upmanship, my food is not 100% organic, or vegan, or French, or
    locally grown; I don't bother with fine wines because the tannins stop
    up my nose and render my taste buds completely useless. But on this
    new trendlet, I can preen. I am definitely ahead of the crowd on this
    one.

    Signed,
    Leila the Water Drinker - give me some of that Hetch Hetchy, and make
    it snappy!

    I never caught the bottled water bug, either. Seattle tap water is just
    fine for me. Greensboro's municipal water was a bit skanky at times
    (especially during dry summers), so we'd run it through the Brita filter.

    Skanky would be about 4 rungs up compared to the water of Davis,
    California, where I work. It stinks. Literally. Everyone drinks
    bottled water in Davis. I have a friend who has a ranch between Dixon
    (west of Davis) and Vacaville. She has well water on the ranch.
    Interestingly, it is quite wonderful, as good as any I've ever bought.
    Makes me wonder where the hell Davis water comes from?

    TammyM, Sacramento water is ok by me

  13. On May 30, 9:10 pm, Cindy Fuller <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Leila said:

    Once again I am way ahead of the curve:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/dining/30wate.html?ex=1338264000&en...
    592032e6&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, Alice Waters has begun serving only tap water at Chez Panisse,
    because it's more sustainable (carbon emissions to ship all those
    bottles, plus the energy to produce the bottles, plus the waste even
    if you recycle). She also got the Berkeley Unified School System to
    serve tap water and cups at school. Amazing, huh?

    Quoted message said:

    For years I have been drinking tap water - because I lived in NYC,
    which has fabulous tap water, then moved to the SF Bay Area, where my
    East Bay tap water is also top rated Sierra snowpack.

    snip

    Quoted message said:

    I am so uncool, out of it, low tech and low fashion; I don't do foodie
    one-upmanship, my food is not 100% organic, or vegan, or French, or
    locally grown; I don't bother with fine wines because the tannins stop
    up my nose and render my taste buds completely useless. But on this
    new trendlet, I can preen. I am definitely ahead of the crowd on this
    one.

    Quoted message said:

    Signed,
    Leila the Water Drinker - give me some of that Hetch Hetchy, and make
    it snappy!

    I never caught the bottled water bug, either. Seattle tap water is just
    fine for me. Greensboro's municipal water was a bit skanky at times
    (especially during dry summers), so we'd run it through the Brita filter.

    Cindy

    --
    C.J. Fuller

    Delete the obvious to email me

    Cindy - my late father worked on trying to protect Greensboro's water
    supply back in the 80s. Developers wanted to keep building on whatever
    lake it is that supplies the city. My dad, who counted soil
    engineering among his specialties, hassled and hustled and wrote
    reports and went to council meetings. It all came to naught. The
    business interests of Greensboro insisted that building all over the
    lake would be perfectly fine.

    So the water tastes skanky because it's got too many people doing
    whatever people do into the reservoir. Whereas NYC and SF and the East
    Bay have armed guards and barbed wire around their reservoirs.
    Seriously. There's a NYC police detail stationed hundreds of miles
    north of the city, protecting the water.

    It takes hard work and political will and a high ratio of interfering
    environmentalist citizens to make tasty water come out of the tap.

    I'm sure Davis' water company would tell you where the water comes
    from if you asked (or browsed the web?). East Bay MUD brags about our
    water supply, sends us glossily printed maps of the sources, pipelines
    and reservoirs.

    Leila

  14. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    Have you seen the Penn & Teller video about bottled water? They printed up
    some fancy sounding labels for bottled water, and one of the guys posed as a
    water sommelier in a fancy restaurant. He sold customers "fancy" water using
    all sorts of [censored] description. But, the bottles were all being filled
    with water from a garden hose outside the restaurant. Customers imagined
    that they tasted various differences in the water. Finally, they revealed
    the prank to a couple of customers, who found it pretty funny.

    In a very similar vein there was a recent newsmagazine program with a
    segment about expensive vodka. Apparently it is quite important to order
    only expensive trendy vodka lest you be shunned or have a wart grow on
    your nose. They showed a bar with people paying up to a $7/drink
    surcharge for the vodka from the good looking bottles.

    The program arranged a test where a group of the people from the bar who
    only drink the expensive stuff did a taste test of various vodkas
    ranging from a bar brand and various brands in the expensive bottles.
    Not one of the group identified what was supposed to be the best one.
    One even remarked they absolutely hated "#3" and wanted to know what it
    was so they never ordered it. "#3" turned out to be the fancy brand that
    most people were shown ordering.

    It really was a good illustration of the power of marketing.

  15. George said:

    Not one of the group identified what was supposed to be the best one.
    One even remarked they absolutely hated "#3" and wanted to know what it
    was so they never ordered it. "#3" turned out to be the fancy brand that
    most people were shown ordering.

    I recall a wine/food critic, Anthony Dias Blue, once commented on high
    end vodkas. He was judging a spirit show in San Francisco and
    lamented how difficult it was to critique spirits that were of such
    high quality and so refined they had virtually no flavor whatsoever.

    nb

    Quoted message said:


    It really was a good illustration of the power of marketing.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Leila said:

    Cindy - my late father worked on trying to protect Greensboro's water
    supply back in the 80s. Developers wanted to keep building on whatever
    lake it is that supplies the city. My dad, who counted soil
    engineering among his specialties, hassled and hustled and wrote
    reports and went to council meetings. It all came to naught. The
    business interests of Greensboro insisted that building all over the
    lake would be perfectly fine.

    So the water tastes skanky because it's got too many people doing
    whatever people do into the reservoir. Whereas NYC and SF and the East
    Bay have armed guards and barbed wire around their reservoirs.
    Seriously. There's a NYC police detail stationed hundreds of miles
    north of the city, protecting the water.

    It takes hard work and political will and a high ratio of interfering
    environmentalist citizens to make tasty water come out of the tap.

    I'm sure Davis' water company would tell you where the water comes
    from if you asked (or browsed the web?). East Bay MUD brags about our
    water supply, sends us glossily printed maps of the sources, pipelines
    and reservoirs.


    Too bad your father didn't knock sense into the Greensboro City Council.
    We lived a mile or so south of Lake Jeannette, which is now very heavily
    developed. Lake Brandt is also heavily built up. By the time we left 4
    years ago, the area between Winston-Salem and Raleigh was just solid
    sprawl.

    The reservoirs here in Seattle (2 within walking distance of our house)
    are also ringed by fences and barbed wire. Our younger cat (who is very
    picky) almost never drank water in Greensboro. He'll drink Seattle
    water.

    OB Food: For those of you interested in Vietnamese food, I highly
    recommend Andrea Nguyen's website: vietworldkitchen.com. I just
    downloaded a recipe for Vietnamese baguettes for banh mi sandwiches.

    Cindy

    --
    C.J. Fuller

    Delete the obvious to email me

  17. Cindy Fuller said:

    OB Food: For those of you interested in Vietnamese food, I highly
    recommend Andrea Nguyen's website: vietworldkitchen.com. I just
    downloaded a recipe for Vietnamese baguettes for banh mi sandwiches.

    Cindy

    I just got her book, Into The Vietnamese Kitchen..and it is looking to
    be very good. I haven't checked to see if there are banh mi sandwich
    recipes there yet. I should, as I adore those things, and they are
    scarce in my area.

    Christine

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Christine Dabney said:
    Cindy Fuller said:

    OB Food: For those of you interested in Vietnamese food, I highly
    recommend Andrea Nguyen's website: vietworldkitchen.com. I just
    downloaded a recipe for Vietnamese baguettes for banh mi sandwiches.

    Cindy

    I just got her book, Into The Vietnamese Kitchen..and it is looking to
    be very good. I haven't checked to see if there are banh mi sandwich
    recipes there yet. I should, as I adore those things, and they are
    scarce in my area.

    Christine

    Are you still "traveling" in VA?? If so, you need to take a road trip
    to Greensboro and visit Saigon Cuisine. There are several other
    Vietnamese restaurants in Greensboro, but Saigon is the best.

    Cindy

    --
    C.J. Fuller

    Delete the obvious to email me

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