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Vaughters' palmares

Nick Burns · 2003-11-15T22:03:55+00:00

Cyclingnews.com wrote an article about the retirement of J Vaughters and mentioned a stage win in the Tour. What are they talking about? AFAIK there were no stage wins and no finishes at the Tour for him. I wonder what they were thinking of?

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Nick Burns
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15 November 2003, 22:03 UTC #1

Cyclingnews.com wrote an article about the retirement of J Vaughters and mentioned a stage win
in the Tour. What are they talking about? AFAIK there were no stage wins and no finishes at the
Tour for him.
I wonder what they were thinking of?

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Tom Schulenburg
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15 November 2003, 22:04 UTC #2

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Cyclingnews.com wrote an article about the retirement of J Vaughters and mentioned a stage win in
the Tour. What are they talking about? AFAIK

there
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were no stage wins and no finishes at the Tour for him.
I wonder what they were thinking of?
Team Time Trial with CA.
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John Forrest To
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15 November 2003, 23:04 UTC #3

Nick Burns said:
Cyclingnews.com wrote an article about the retirement of J Vaughters and mentioned a stage win
in the Tour. What are they talking about? AFAIK there were no stage wins and no finishes at the
Tour for him.
I wonder what they were thinking of?
He was part of the team that won a TTT stage.
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Baird Webel
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16 November 2003, 01:03 UTC #4

Nick Burns said:
Cyclingnews.com wrote an article about the retirement of J Vaughters and mentioned a stage win in
the Tour. What are they talking about? AFAIK there were no stage wins and no finishes at the Tour
for him.
I wonder what they were thinking of?

The stage win was on Ventoux, but not in the Tour. I think it was the Dauphine.
Baird

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Steven L. Sheff
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16 November 2003, 02:05 UTC #5

Nick Burns said:
Cyclingnews.com wrote an article about the retirement of J Vaughters and mentioned a stage win in
the Tour. What are they talking about? AFAIK there were no stage wins and no finishes at the Tour
for him.
I wonder what they were thinking of?
2001 or 2002 TTT (with Credit Agricole).
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Steven L. Sheff
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16 November 2003, 02:05 UTC #6

Baird Webel said:
Nick Burns said:
Cyclingnews.com wrote an article about the retirement of J Vaughters and mentioned a stage win in
the Tour. What are they talking about? AFAIK there were no stage wins and no finishes at the Tour
for him.
I wonder what they were thinking of?

The stage win was on Ventoux, but not in the Tour. I think it was the Dauphine.
I think he twice won the Ventoux in the Dauphine ... In 1999 and 2000 if I recall correctly. The
Tour stage win was a TTT with Credit Agricole.
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Nick Burns
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16 November 2003, 07:05 UTC #7

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Cyclingnews.com wrote an article about the retirement of J Vaughters and mentioned a stage win
in the Tour. What are they talking about? AFAIK

there
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were no stage wins and no finishes at the Tour for him.
OK, thanks. I wonder why the Tour archives don't count TTT wins as stage wins for the individual?
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I wonder what they were thinking of?
Team Time Trial with CA.
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Kurgan Gringion
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16 November 2003, 10:36 UTC #8

"Nick Burns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Nick Burns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cyclingnews.com wrote an article about the retirement of J Vaughters

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mentioned a stage win in the Tour. What are they talking about? AFAIK

there
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were no stage wins and no finishes at the Tour for him.
OK, thanks. I wonder why the Tour archives don't count TTT wins as stage wins for the individual?
TTT should not count on individual palmares.

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Steven Gee
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17 November 2003, 03:55 UTC #9

As long as it is listed as a TTT this should count as a stage win on his record. Why not ? He was on
the winning team for a stage victory in a team event.
Should the backup QB, who played one down, be denied a SuperBowl ring just because he did not
contribute to a score ?
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> Cyclingnews.com wrote an article about the retirement of J Vaughters

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> mentioned a stage win in the Tour. What are they talking about? AFAIK

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> were no stage wins and no finishes at the Tour for him.
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OK, thanks. I wonder why the Tour archives don't count TTT wins as stage wins for the
individual?
TTT should not count on individual palmares.

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Nick Burns
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17 November 2003, 07:06 UTC #10

"Steven Gee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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As long as it is listed as a TTT this should count as a stage win on his record. Why not ? He was
on the winning team for a stage victory in a team event.
Obviously an ITT win is more important but I do agree that some recognition is due. The problem is
that not everyone agrees. As I said, the Tour archives do not credit him with the stage. I also
think it would have been very interesting for Lance if he failed to win that single mountain stage
this year. Everyone expects the GC winner to win a stage as well and he would have been able to
claim the TTT, but many would not accept that.
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Should the backup QB, who played one down, be denied a SuperBowl ring just because he did not
contribute to a score ?
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Vaughters
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OK, thanks. I wonder why the Tour archives don't count TTT wins as

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wins for the individual?
TTT should not count on individual palmares.

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Donald Munro
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17 November 2003, 09:03 UTC #11

Nick Burns said:
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OK, thanks. I wonder why the Tour archives don't count TTT wins as stage wins for the individual?
Kurgan Gringioni said:
TTT should not count on individual palmares.
That would be as unfair as the TTT itself is to the GC :-)

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Kurgan Gringion
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17 November 2003, 20:13 UTC #12

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Nick Burns said:
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OK, thanks. I wonder why the Tour archives don't count TTT wins as stage wins for the
individual?
Kurgan Gringioni said:
TTT should not count on individual palmares.
That would be as unfair as the TTT itself is to the GC :-)
Dumbass -
that's why they're handicapping it this year.

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Erik Saunders
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18 November 2003, 07:06 UTC #13

Vaughters is skinny and he looks silly in every photo i have ever seen of him... so who cares what
he ever won?...
how about THAT!...

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Howard Kveck
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18 November 2003, 11:03 UTC #14

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Vaughters is skinny and he looks silly in every photo i have ever seen of him... so who cares what
he ever won?...
how about THAT!...
You're jealous of his sideburns. Don't deny it. You know you are.
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