Hi all, Last year I bought a Terra Nova Laser Large 1 which I used in Canada and will be taking to the Pyrenees this summer. All in all it is superb with an excellent weight to space ratio, very good ventilation control and well made.
When the inner is attached to the fly, the tent pitches fast but takes some time if the inner and outer are separated. This is because there is a string operated system which allows the fly to be raised or lowered at the rear from within the tent to control ventilation. This all takes time to put together if the inner and outer are separated. That raises the question of what to do if the fly is condensation soaked or wet from rain. Do you separate the two and store separately to prevent the inner getting wet? - resulting in a slow pitch or risk the inner getting wet and store together? Thoughts welcome
That raises the question of what to do if the fly is condensation soaked or wet from rain.
The two situations are very different. If it's rain then it's the outside that's wet, and as long as you fold the tent reasonably carefully the inner shouldn't get too damp.
Condensation is more of a problem as it's on the inside, and in that case it can make sense to detach the inner.
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Do you separate the two and store separately to prevent the inner getting wet? - resulting in a slow pitch or risk the inner getting wet and store together? Thoughts welcome
Depends on the weather. If the condensation is there because it's basically very nice weather then I'd be inclined to leave things together: it'll dry out soon enough on the next pitch. If it's pretty bogging I'd be more inclined to take the time, as it will make a difference when it matters and it will only take a few minutes more.
I'd also just leave it all together if it's the final strike of the trip (or last one before access to a drying room): once your home you won't be sleeping in it (I guess...) and it can take as long as it needs to dry off.
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:38:22 +0100, Paul <[email hidden]>
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That raises the question of what to do if the fly is condensation soaked or wet from rain. Do you separate the two and store separately to prevent the inner getting wet? - resulting in a slow pitch or risk the inner getting wet and store together?
On my recent trip, aware of the risk of condensation, I took a small kitchen sponge/cloth. I tend to wake early when wild-camping and would unclip my inner, whilst sitting in the tent, and wipe the condensation off the inside of the fly-sheet. I would then re-clip the inner, unzip the door, and go back to sleep for an hour, or have breakfast, while the sun continued to warm up the tent and dry off the rest of the dampness.
Generally, I pack my tent all-in-one whether it's dry or wet as I find that the inner dries very quickly after pitching even if it's soaked.
On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:38:22 +0100, Paul <[email hidden]>
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That raises the question of what to do if the fly is condensation soaked or wet from rain. Do you separate the two and store separately to prevent the inner getting wet? - resulting in a slow pitch or risk the inner getting wet and store together?
On my recent trip, aware of the risk of condensation, I took a small kitchen sponge/cloth. I tend to wake early when wild-camping and would unclip my inner, whilst sitting in the tent, and wipe the condensation off the inside of the fly-sheet. I would then re-clip the inner, unzip the door, and go back to sleep for an hour, or have breakfast, while the sun continued to warm up the tent and dry off the rest of the dampness.
Generally, I pack my tent all-in-one whether it's dry or wet as I find that the inner dries very quickly after pitching even if it's soaked.
Judith
Pete and Judith, many thanks for the sensible suggestions, I'll try and be a little less paranoid about packing a slightly wet tent!
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Hi all, Last year I bought a Terra Nova Laser Large 1 which I used in Canada and will be taking to the Pyrenees this summer. All in all it is superb with an excellent weight to space ratio, very good ventilation control and well made.
When the inner is attached to the fly, the tent pitches fast but takes some time if the inner and outer are separated. This is because there is a string operated system which allows the fly to be raised or lowered at the rear from within the tent to control ventilation. This all takes time to put together if the inner and outer are separated. That raises the question of what to do if the fly is condensation soaked or wet from rain. Do you separate the two and store separately to prevent the inner getting wet? - resulting in a slow pitch or risk the inner getting wet and store together? Thoughts welcome
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Hi all, Last year I bought a Terra Nova Laser Large 1 which I used in Canada and will be taking to the Pyrenees this summer. All in all it is superb with an excellent weight to space ratio, very good ventilation control and well made. When the inner is attached to the fly, the tent pitches fast but takes some time if the inner and outer are separated. This is because there is a string operated system which allows the fly to be raised or lowered at the rear from within the tent to control ventilation. This all takes time to put together if the inner and outer are separated. That raises the question of what to do if the fly is condensation soaked or wet from rain. Do you separate the two and store separately to prevent the inner getting wet? - resulting in a slow pitch or risk the inner getting wet and store together? Thoughts welcome
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:38:22 +0100, Paul <[email hidden]>
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That raises the question of what to do if the fly is condensation soaked or wet from rain. Do you separate the two and store separately to prevent the inner getting wet? - resulting in a slow pitch or risk the inner getting wet and store together?
On my recent trip, aware of the risk of condensation, I took a small kitchen sponge/cloth. I tend to wake early when wild-camping and would unclip my inner, whilst sitting in the tent, and wipe the condensation off the inside of the fly-sheet. I would then re-clip the inner, unzip the door, and go back to sleep for an hour, or have breakfast, while the sun continued to warm up the tent and dry off the rest of the dampness.
Generally, I pack my tent all-in-one whether it's dry or wet as I find that the inner dries very quickly after pitching even if it's soaked.
You must have had good weather then? Crossing Scotland:-0 -- Craven and Pendle Birds: Bird watching in and around Craven & Pendle. North Yorkshire and East Lancashire. http://craven-and-pendle-birding.org/
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Get a cotton tent, problem solved
.... and a host of new ones taken on!
That depends on your type of camping! I'd suggest;-) The so-called backpackers nowadays haven't a clue;-) 10 miles and they are screwed;-)
Give me the olden days when men where men;-) -- Craven and Pendle Birds: Bird watching in and around Craven & Pendle. North Yorkshire and East Lancashire. http://craven-and-pendle-birding.org/
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Richard Baker wrote: > Get a cotton tent, problem solved .... and a host of new ones taken on!
That depends on your type of camping! I'd suggest;-) The so-called backpackers nowadays haven't a clue;-) 10 miles and they are screwed;-)
and so would you be if you carried a Niger on your back! ;^)
I had a Force 10 Mk2 LW some years back. It small and although the lightweight model, still heavy even compared to the cheap and cheerful Argos PA1.
Actually then! Can you please inform me of your mileage when B/Packing with this new phenomena, a lightweight tent;-) Compared to the "Olden Days" -- Craven and Pendle Birds: Bird watching in and around Craven & Pendle. North Yorkshire and East Lancashire. http://craven-and-pendle-birding.org/
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and so would you be if you carried a Niger on your back!
That should of course be _Nijer_!
No problem! It's double G;-) I'd never call you a racist or is that a racialist;-) -- Craven and Pendle Birds: Bird watching in and around Craven & Pendle. North Yorkshire and East Lancashire. http://craven-and-pendle-birding.org/
Actually then! Can you please inform me of your mileage when B/Packing with this new phenomena, a lightweight tent;-) Compared to the "Olden Days"
Can't compare. In the 'Olden Days' I was younger (maybe you weren't!) and fitter and hence more able to carry heavy tents. I reckon I can cover as much ground now with my lightweight gear, as I did 30 years ago with the old fashioned stuff.
I'm also not one of those 'I did xx K today!'. I measure my walks by how many wild flowers, butterflies etc. I've seen!
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Actually then! Can you please inform me of your mileage when B/Packing with this new phenomena, a lightweight tent;-) Compared to the "Olden Days"
Can't compare. In the 'Olden Days' I was younger (maybe you weren't!) and fitter and hence more able to carry heavy tents. I reckon I can cover as much ground now with my lightweight gear, as I did 30 years ago with the old fashioned stuff.
That says b*ggar all! Same distance with different gear;-) Are you saying age is a factor?
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I'm also not one of those 'I did xx K today!'. I measure my walks by how many wild flowers, butterflies etc. I've seen!
So do I! The problem is all these bleeding hillwalkers trample a fair few;-) -- Craven and Pendle Birds: Bird watching in and around Craven & Pendle. North Yorkshire and East Lancashire. http://craven-and-pendle-birding.org/
Can't compare. In the 'Olden Days' I was younger (maybe you weren't!) and fitter and hence more able to carry heavy tents. I reckon I can cover as much ground now with my lightweight gear, as I did 30 years ago with the old fashioned stuff.
That says b*ggar all! Same distance with different gear;-) Are you saying age is a factor?
Of course age is a factor - a very major one - and thank goodness for lighter weight equipment as there is no way at 65 would I be able to carry for any distance what I did in my 20's; and sack design has come a long way too. On a 10 day trek from Glen Finnan in 1966 covering 15 to 20 miles a day, 2 of us carried a 3 man cotton tent (single A pole type) and I see from the entries in my logbook it came along too and was written up each day - we must have been carrying some weight in comparison with what could be done today.
Having said that I was amused to hear from a friend of mine when we were being nostalgic about our student days when we camped the whole year through in the Scottish hills that his student daughter in the Glasgow University MC never camped on their meets - they always used bothies, club huts, community halls, etc.
Put them into 2 separate bags and it will take 3 times as long to pitch the tent, is the problem.
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Actually then! Can you please inform me of your mileage when B/Packing with this new phenomena, a lightweight tent;-) Compared to the "Olden Days"
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Can't compare. In the 'Olden Days' I was younger (maybe you weren't!) and fitter and hence more able to carry heavy tents. I reckon I can cover as much ground now with my lightweight gear, as I did 30 years ago with the old fashioned stuff.
30 years ago there were tents on the market that were very nearly as light as todays models. My Ulitmate U1-B weighs in at about 5 lbs I believe and my bivvy bag a mere 1.5 lbs.
The Ultimate was bought 1972 or possibly even earlier. It was certainly in use by June 1972. I tried looking for a advert to confirm the weight as my kitchen scales are inaccurate. I didn't find one for my tent but lighter tents were readily available. A Karrimor advert in June 1974 offered the Marathon mk 2 tent at 2lb 15 oz and the Wedge 1 at 2lb 8 oz. Both would allegedly take 2, the Wedge "squeeze two".
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I'm also not one of those 'I did xx K today!'. I measure my walks by how many wild flowers, butterflies etc. I've seen!
I measure my walks the standard way which is how I know I can only do now about one third of what I could manage in my prime.
-- Roger Chapman Nearest Marilyn still to be visited - Great Orme. 89 miles as the crow flies, considerably more as the walker drives.
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I'd suggest separating them into different bags!
I can't quite see what the problem is actually;-)
Put them into 2 separate bags and it will take 3 times as long to pitch the tent, is the problem.
I've sperated the inner from the fly of my Akto for the first time during this years Challenge and I must say I quite like to pitch the outer first, throw my wet pack and my wet self in the tent and dry up a bit first before attaching the inner.
