Re: Memory Map

Nick (Scots) said:

Quoted message said:

When weight is at a premium I carry
a single A4 50k printout of the area I'll
be in,

Wow the wt of map is counted.

Oh yes, don't you realise how heavy maps are? 4.5 ounces for an Explorer,
3.5 ounces for a Landranger, 4.5 ounces for a Travelmaster. I often used to
carry all three, the first for detail, the second for an overview, the third
for identifying distant summits. That lot added up to 12.5 ounces! Sometimes
I'd even carry a Harveys as well, that's another 4.5 ounces!

That's over 1lb in maps alone! I now own a sleeping bag which weighs only
slightly more than that!

I used to laugh at all those folk who cut their spoons in half and count how
many sheets of toilet paper they took with them. But I could never figure
out why my backpack used to weigh around 45lbs. I mean, it's not like I was
carrying a lot of unnecessary equipment. Sure, I took a few odds and ends to
enhance the experience, but they only weighed a few ounces each, surely they
couldn't make much difference?

Yet all those little ounces have a habit of adding up...

One day I finally saw the light, bought myself some ultralight gear and
started counting sheets of toilet paper. I trimmed the weight on every item
I possibly could, even leaving stuffsacs out and removing all unnecessary
packaging from food. I didn't quite go as far as cutting my spoon in half,
but I've managed to reduce my total weight to around 22lbs, and it makes a
helluva difference to the walking!

By the way, my GPS (60CS) weighs less than eight ounces, which is equivalent
to just two maps! And yet many people insist that they don't want to weigh
themselves down by carrying a "big, heavy" GPS like that.

BTW, for anyone who's wondering, the above rucksack weights do NOT include
the weight of my camera gear! I always carry that separately anyway.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

Quoted message said:

By the way, my GPS (60CS) weighs less than
eight ounces, which is equivalent to just
two maps! And yet many people insist that
they don't want to weigh themselves down by
carrying a "big, heavy" GPS like that.

BTW, for anyone who's wondering, the above
rucksack weights do NOT include the weight
of my camera gear! I always carry that
separately anyway.

What about batteries for a few days ?

What about the wt of water ?

Nick

Nick (Scots) said:

What about batteries for a few days ?

Two high power AAs apparently last 32 hours (although I've never actually
measured it), so two in the unit and two spares is plenty for a weekend.
Only two extra ounces for two spare AAs. My quoted GPS weight included the
batteries.

Quoted message said:

What about the wt of water ?

Water? Are you mad? I don't carry water when I go backpacking! It's not like
there's a shortage of the stuff in Wales! :-)

Since you mention water, I should perhaps point out that one of the easiest
ways to get your overall weight down is to take nothing but dehydrated food,
and very light food (like rice cakes and mushrooms). I reckon all those bars
of chocolate and the slab of cheese I used to carry didn't help...

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the
wonderful person "Nick (Scots)" <[email hidden]> said
<snip>

Quoted message said:

What about the wt of water ?

Always take dehydrated water, it weighs a lot less. 8>.

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8,013 Km walked. 1,453Km PROWs surveyed. 26.4% complete.

Interesting thread. I walked from Dalwhinnie to Fort Bill a couple of
years ago (3 days walk) and fully appreciate what it means to have
lightweight gear.

But you've missed an important item. Just how many sheets of loo roll
IS the right amount? Don't want to run out....else you'd be wishing
you still had maps with you after all :-)

Jim

Paul Saunders said:

Nick (Scots) said:

Quoted message said:

When weight is at a premium I carry
a single A4 50k printout of the area I'll
be in,

Wow the wt of map is counted.

Oh yes, don't you realise how heavy maps are? 4.5 ounces for an Explorer,
3.5 ounces for a Landranger, 4.5 ounces for a Travelmaster. I often used to
carry all three, the first for detail, the second for an overview, the third
for identifying distant summits. That lot added up to 12.5 ounces! Sometimes
I'd even carry a Harveys as well, that's another 4.5 ounces!

That's over 1lb in maps alone! I now own a sleeping bag which weighs only
slightly more than that!

I used to laugh at all those folk who cut their spoons in half and count how
many sheets of toilet paper they took with them. But I could never figure
out why my backpack used to weigh around 45lbs. I mean, it's not like I was
carrying a lot of unnecessary equipment. Sure, I took a few odds and ends to
enhance the experience, but they only weighed a few ounces each, surely they
couldn't make much difference?

Yet all those little ounces have a habit of adding up...

One day I finally saw the light, bought myself some ultralight gear and
started counting sheets of toilet paper. I trimmed the weight on every item
I possibly could, even leaving stuffsacs out and removing all unnecessary
packaging from food. I didn't quite go as far as cutting my spoon in half,
but I've managed to reduce my total weight to around 22lbs, and it makes a
helluva difference to the walking!

By the way, my GPS (60CS) weighs less than eight ounces, which is equivalent
to just two maps! And yet many people insist that they don't want to weigh
themselves down by carrying a "big, heavy" GPS like that.

BTW, for anyone who's wondering, the above rucksack weights do NOT include
the weight of my camera gear! I always carry that separately anyway.

Paul

Jim said:

But you've missed an important item. Just how many sheets of loo roll
IS the right amount?

That's a very good question! And I honestly don't know the answer. I've
started carrying small packs of tissues rather than counting out sheets of
loo roll. I only took one once and was lucky to last the weekend, so I'll
take at least two now. Better to err on the side of caution, they don't
weigh much...

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

Paul Saunders said:

Jim said:

But you've missed an important item. Just how many sheets of loo roll
IS the right amount?

That's a very good question! And I honestly don't know the answer.

Loo roll is very much a western invention. Most clean societies use
water.
--
Phil Cook, last hill: Heron Pike via Nab Scar.

GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

Always take dehydrated water, it weighs a lot less. 8>.

Ah yes, cheap too, and you can get it anywhere!

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

Phil Cook said:

Loo roll is very much a western invention. Most clean societies use
water.

Useful for lots of other things too, like cleaning lenses and saucepans.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

Paul Saunders said:

Phil Cook said:

Loo roll is very much a western invention. Most clean societies use
water.

Useful for lots of other things too, like cleaning lenses and saucepans.

Gravel and snow is best for cleaning saucepans!

I've got one of those lens pen thingies somewhere, but for moping rain
off the lens yes a tissue is best. Use it later on for something else
- actually just put it back in the waterproof bag for next time. :-)

--
Phil Cook, last hill: Heron Pike via Nab Scar.

Phil Cook said:

Gravel and snow is best for cleaning saucepans!

I know, grass is okay too.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

Paul Saunders said:

Phil Cook said:

Gravel and snow is best for cleaning saucepans!

I know, grass is okay too.

I've used grass as paper substitute but not snow and gravel :-)
--
Phil Cook, last hill: Heron Pike via Nab Scar.

Phil Cook said:

Paul Saunders said:

Phil Cook said:

Gravel and snow is best for cleaning saucepans!

I know, grass is okay too.

I've used grass as paper substitute but not snow and gravel :-)

Oooh, brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it....

Jim said:

Phil Cook said:

Paul Saunders said:

Phil Cook wrote:

> Gravel and snow is best for cleaning saucepans!

I know, grass is okay too.

I've used grass as paper substitute but not snow and gravel :-)

Oooh, brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it....

<memory> <wince> Gravel rash from bike crashes...

--
Phil Cook, last hill: Heron Pike via Nab Scar.

In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

By the way, my GPS (60CS) weighs less than eight ounces, which is equivalent
to just two maps! And yet many people insist that they don't want to weigh
themselves down by carrying a "big, heavy" GPS like that.

Does it make any difference to the weight if you download a lot of
routes and waymarks onto the GPS?

--
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643/1554 Marilyns - aiming for 777 71/118 New Donalds - only 40% to go
88/211 Irish Hewitts - 123, it's easy 37/220 Corbetts - only(!)183 to go

In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

Always take dehydrated water, it weighs a lot less. 8>.

Ah yes, cheap too, and you can get it anywhere!

I prefer dehydrated Highland Spring water - even though I know it adds
to the food miles.

--
Martin Richardson
643/1554 Marilyns - aiming for 777 71/118 New Donalds - only 40% to go
88/211 Irish Hewitts - 123, it's easy 37/220 Corbetts - only(!)183 to go

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:32:24 +0100, Martin Richardson
<[email hidden]> wrote:

|!In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
|!<[email hidden]> writes
|!>GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
|!>
|!>> Always take dehydrated water, it weighs a lot less. 8>.
|!>
|!>Ah yes, cheap too, and you can get it anywhere!
|!>
|!I prefer dehydrated Highland Spring water - even though I know it adds
|!to the food miles.

I prefer the carbonated version.
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