leg length discrepancy

determined said:

I went to see a chiropractor for my knee pain, and had a CT scan done of my
leg bones because he suspected a length discrepancy. Turns out my left leg
is about 8mm shorter than the right. I am now going to start running with a
lift in one shoe, and I was wondering if anyone else has this issue? Was it
difficult to adjust to a lift? I hope that this is what is causing all the
weird aches and pains, and now I can start getting better.

Betsy

I think there was a discussion about this a few months back, try doing
a search there might have been helpful advise.

John

determined said:

I went to see a chiropractor for my knee pain, and had a CT scan done of my
leg bones because he suspected a length discrepancy. Turns out my left leg
is about 8mm shorter than the right. I am now going to start running with a
lift in one shoe, and I was wondering if anyone else has this issue? Was it
difficult to adjust to a lift? I hope that this is what is causing all the
weird aches and pains, and now I can start getting better.

My left is 1cm longer than my right and it's almost all in the tibia. I have a lift in the right as
well as orthotics for both as I pronate pretty badly. It was the investigation of a stress fracture
in my longer leg that led to identifying this imbalance. Once I was able to run again, it took about
3 months for things to settle down. The glutes on my right side were yelling at me 24/7. Other than
that adjustment period I think the lift/orthotics have been essential for my being able finally to get
to the 35-40 mile per week level in my training.

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determined said:

I went to see a chiropractor for my knee pain, and had a CT scan done of
my leg bones because he suspected a length discrepancy. Turns out my
left leg is about 8mm shorter than the right. I am now going to start
running with a lift in one shoe, and I was wondering if anyone else has
this issue? Was it difficult to adjust to a lift? I hope that this is
what is causing all the weird aches and pains, and now I can start
getting better.

My left is 1cm longer than my right and it's almost all in the tibia. I
have a lift in the right as well as orthotics for both as I pronate pretty
badly. It was the investigation of a stress fracture in my longer leg
that led to identifying this imbalance. Once I was able to run again, it
took about 3 months for things to settle down. The glutes on my right
side were yelling at me 24/7. Other than that adjustment period I think
the lift/orthotics have been essential for my being able finally to get to
the 35-40 mile per week level in my training.

Well, then there's hope for me! I've been struggling with pain in my right
foot, right shin, right knee, right hip... COuldn't understand it. I know
in the beginning, I was WAY overtraining, but then I backed off a whole
bunch, and things didn't improve as much as I thought they would. But maybe
now I'm on the road to recovery...

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determined said:

I went to see a chiropractor for my knee pain, and had a CT scan done of
my
leg bones because he suspected a length discrepancy. Turns out my left
leg
is about 8mm shorter than the right. I am now going to start running
with a
lift in one shoe, and I was wondering if anyone else has this issue? Was
it
difficult to adjust to a lift? I hope that this is what is causing all
the
weird aches and pains, and now I can start getting better.

Betsy

I think there was a discussion about this a few months back, try doing
a search there might have been helpful advise.

John

I did do a google search first, for this group, and didn't find anything
recent. Maybe I used the wrong search terms

Anecdotally, I would say that this is much more common than might be
first thought---as for the "lift" in your shoe, make sure it's
designed (a) specifically for running, and (b) with your 'discrepancy'
in mind. In other words, if you're going to use an orthotic I would
suggest that you have one professionally done, or at least a store-
bought one is approved for you by your podiatrist/chiro.

You might do more damage than good otherwise, IMO.

Good luck...

Mike C

determined said:

I went to see a chiropractor for my knee pain, and had a CT scan done of my
leg bones because he suspected a length discrepancy.  Turns out my leftleg
is about 8mm shorter than the right.  I am now going to start running with a
lift in one shoe, and I was wondering if anyone else has this issue?  Was it
difficult to adjust to a lift?  I hope that this is what is causing allthe
weird aches and pains, and now I can start getting better.

Betsy

determined said:

I went to see a chiropractor for my knee pain, and had a CT scan done of my
leg bones because he suspected a length discrepancy. Turns out my left leg
is about 8mm shorter than the right. I am now going to start running with a
lift in one shoe, and I was wondering if anyone else has this issue? Was it
difficult to adjust to a lift? I hope that this is what is causing all the
weird aches and pains, and now I can start getting better.

Betsy

As soon as I saw "chiropractor" I knew a popular scam was
coming up. Did he also have you stand on two scales
to see if your weight was unevenly distributed. what a joke.

If I had knee pain that I couldn't fix with the usual leg
exercises, I would go see a Sports DOCTOR. A real
medical doctor specializing in sports related injuries.
Not a chiro. For goodness sake.

When you wrote "I hope...", this tells the tale. Chiro-care
is faith based. Mostly placebo. How about covering
what you have done so far to resolve the problem.
Then you might get some good advice. To ask everyone
if snake-oil really works doesn't usually elicit much
in the way of useful responses.

Where does it hurt? Underneath in front? Inside?

Realize that you may be out-of-luck too. Sorry to say.
....thehick

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determined said:

I went to see a chiropractor for my knee pain, and had a CT scan done of
my
leg bones because he suspected a length discrepancy. Turns out my left
leg
is about 8mm shorter than the right. I am now going to start running
with a
lift in one shoe, and I was wondering if anyone else has this issue? Was
it
difficult to adjust to a lift? I hope that this is what is causing all
the
weird aches and pains, and now I can start getting better.

Betsy

As soon as I saw "chiropractor" I knew a popular scam was
coming up. Did he also have you stand on two scales
to see if your weight was unevenly distributed. what a joke.

If I had knee pain that I couldn't fix with the usual leg
exercises, I would go see a Sports DOCTOR. A real
medical doctor specializing in sports related injuries.
Not a chiro. For goodness sake.

When you wrote "I hope...", this tells the tale. Chiro-care
is faith based. Mostly placebo. How about covering
what you have done so far to resolve the problem.
Then you might get some good advice. To ask everyone
if snake-oil really works doesn't usually elicit much
in the way of useful responses.

Where does it hurt? Underneath in front? Inside?

Realize that you may be out-of-luck too. Sorry to say.
...thehick

Um, I have a pretty high regard for chiropractic care. I don't believe it's
"snake oil". Anyways, the leg length discrepancy was confirmed by a CT
scan.

determined said:

Um, I have a pretty high regard for chiropractic care. I don't believe it's
"snake oil". Anyways, the leg length discrepancy was confirmed by a CT
scan

I have to admit, I'm equally suspicious of chiro's. Why a CT scan,
when a simple (cheaper) x-ray would've also sufficed?

At any rate, I had a PT diagnose me awhile ago with a leg-length
discrepancy. All she did was measure my legs with a tape measure, and
point out that I have a bunion on the foot of my longer leg, which is
caused by more weight being put on the longer leg. She gave me an
insert and had me wear it constantly (not just when exercising). Sure
enough, the bunion looked much better after a few months.... almost
disappeared.

I stopped wearing it because I like to wear cute strappy shoes and
sandals and things like that. The bunion returned. Then I started
doing yoga, and the bunion disappeared again. I have concluded that my
leg length discrepancy is acquired, not congenital. I.e., the bones
are the same length but I have muscle imbalances/tightness that makes
me crooked; yoga straightens me back out and balances everything.

A few weeks ago I'd been running on cambered streets a lot, while also
getting lazy about the yoga (been too busy) and the bunion returned,
with a vengeance. It's bigger than ever and also quite painful. I know
what I have to do, and it doesn't include wearing an insert, which in
my case, will only reinforce and perpetuate the discrepancy.

Your case sounds different - it's the bones that are actually
different lengths. But I throw this out there for other readers
dealing with similar issue. I have read through my research that the
vast majority of these discrepancies are acquired, not congenital.

jen

determined said:

I went to see a chiropractor for my knee pain, and had a CT scan done of my
leg bones because he suspected a length discrepancy. Turns out my left leg
is about 8mm shorter than the right. I am now going to start running with a
lift in one shoe, and I was wondering if anyone else has this issue? Was it
difficult to adjust to a lift? I hope that this is what is causing all the
weird aches and pains, and now I can start getting better.

Betsy

YEA YEA YEA
That's his job to find a discrepancy. There was a time years ago that
they were doing this in the local mall as a screening. Sure enough,
100% of the people had a discrepancy and would be supposedly helped.
You got this far in life with that discrepancy, if it even exists, and
your body has adapted to it with muscle and ligament differences also.
Is the practitioner going to adjust those for you too? Of course not.
On the opposite side of the scale, a person can have perfectly equal
leg length, but the effective length due to muscle imbalances causes
an EFFECTIVE short/long side.

I hope you are on to something. Just put my thought in the back of
your head and be skeptical of things. When you have worse than ever
injuries caused by the new shift to the abnormal-for-you lift, don't
be afraid to act on that information.

thehick said:

As soon as I saw "chiropractor" I knew a popular scam was
coming up. Did he also have you stand on two scales
to see if your weight was unevenly distributed. what a joke.

If I had knee pain that I couldn't fix with the usual leg
exercises, I would go see a Sports DOCTOR. A real
medical doctor specializing in sports related injuries.
Not a chiro. For goodness sake.

When you wrote "I hope...", this tells the tale. Chiro-care
is faith based. Mostly placebo. How about covering
what you have done so far to resolve the problem.
Then you might get some good advice. To ask everyone
if snake-oil really works doesn't usually elicit much
in the way of useful responses.

Where does it hurt? Underneath in front? Inside?

Realize that you may be out-of-luck too. Sorry to say.
...thehick

Don't listen to this ignorant jerkoff. To show his knowledge and where
you'll likely end up, just look at his last two sentances "realize
that you may be out of luck" (certainly true if you take his advice),
and "Sorry to say" means he is just like an MD faced with back
troubles, they have no answers but pain killers and muscle relaxers.
A chiro is exactly what you need, not lifts. BUT find a new one
because I agree this one's a idiot. If he adjusts your back correctly
it'll minimize or cure altogether, the leg difference. I too have leg
differences, but after a few adjustments it's almost always gone,
along with those accompying aches and pains you describe.
Once more, almost every qualified medical doctor, sports doctor, PT,
Osteo's, who is up to date on his knowledge, wil all agree that chiros
are a legitamit tool in sports medicine today. Why this guy acts like
one "touched" him as a young boy, we'll likely never know.
The Bill Rogers

shinypenny said:

On Apr 30, 10:16 pm, "determined" <[email hidden]> wrote:

I have to admit, I'm equally suspicious of chiro's. Why a CT scan,
when a simple (cheaper) x-ray would've also sufficed?

At any rate, I had a PT diagnose me awhile ago with a leg-length
discrepancy. All she did was measure my legs with a tape measure, and
point out that I have a bunion on the foot of my longer leg, which is
caused by more weight being put on the longer leg. She gave me an
insert and had me wear it constantly (not just when exercising). Sure
enough, the bunion looked much better after a few months.... almost
disappeared.

I stopped wearing it because I like to wear cute strappy shoes and
sandals and things like that. The bunion returned. Then I started
doing yoga, and the bunion disappeared again. I have concluded that my
leg length discrepancy is acquired, not congenital. I.e., the bones
are the same length but I have muscle imbalances/tightness that makes
me crooked; yoga straightens me back out and balances everything.

A few weeks ago I'd been running on cambered streets a lot, while also
getting lazy about the yoga (been too busy) and the bunion returned,
with a vengeance. It's bigger than ever and also quite painful. I know
what I have to do, and it doesn't include wearing an insert, which in
my case, will only reinforce and perpetuate the discrepancy.

Your case sounds different - it's the bones that are actually
different lengths. But I throw this out there for other readers
dealing with similar issue. I have read through my research that the
vast majority of these discrepancies are acquired, not congenital.

jen

Dear Dull Penny,
An X ray is nowhere near as useful as a CT scan. One is one
dimensional (like your thinking) and one is a 3D image. If further
explanation is needed, then just go back and retry to graduate 5th
grade.
Next: you got diagnosed by a frikin' PT?
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahaaahahaahaaaaahaaaahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahaah!
You must be an AOL'er, right? I went to my dentist yesterday for a
hemoroid... At least try a real dr first.
If her bones are different lengths, then a lift is required, but if
it's her spine then lifts will hurt her.
TBR

How long will it be before Betsy asks the group if anyone else has blood
loss from the genital area every few weeks?

I would like to be the one who gets to explain it to her.

Quoted message said:

Dear Dull Penny,
An X ray is nowhere near as useful as a CT scan. One is one
dimensional (like your thinking) and one is a 3D image. If further
explanation is needed, then just go back and retry to graduate 5th
grade.

If the issue is suspected leg-length discrepancy, then what will a 3D
image tell you that an x-ray won't?

Now if the chiro wanted to rule out other things going on, the CT scan
makes more sense, of course. I'm just saying....

Quoted message said:

Next: you got diagnosed by a frikin' PT?

Yes, one my doctor referred me to. But if you had actually read my
post, you'll notice that I wasn't all that impressed with the PT
anyhow.

Quoted message said:

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahaaahahaahaaaaahaaaahahahah­ahahahhahahahahhahahahahaah!
You must be an AOL'er, right?

No. I noticed you are, though.

Quoted message said:

I went to my dentist yesterday for a
hemoroid... At least try a real dr first.
If her bones are different lengths, then a lift is required, but if
it's her spine then lifts will hurt her.

I don't see how you're saying is all that different than I just said.

Congenital = born with bones that are different lengths
Acquired = born with bones of same length; discrepancy is caused by
muscle imbalances which skews the body and makes the legs different
lengths

I have little respect for chiro's because it was a chiro that totally
screwed up my back in the first place, due to a misdiagnosis and
thoroughly inappropriate treatment.

jen

shinypenny said:

On May 1, 9:56 am, [email hidden] wrote:

If the issue is suspected leg-length discrepancy, then what will a 3D
image tell you that an x-ray won't?

I could list a dozen or so, but why? It really is self explanatory.

Quoted message said:

Now if the chiro wanted to rule out other things going on, the CT scan
makes more sense, of course. I'm just saying....

Quoted message said:

Next: you got diagnosed by a frikin' PT?

Yes, one my doctor referred me to. But if you had actually read my
post, you'll notice that I wasn't all that impressed with the PT
anyhow.

Then why quote one here if you weren't impressed with him/her?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahaaahahaahaaaaahaaaahahahah­­ahahahhahahahahhahahahahaah!
You must be an AOL'er, right?

No. I noticed you are, though.

Nope, just for the sake of registering with Yahoo.

Quoted message said:

I have little respect for chiro's because it was a chiro that totally
screwed up my back in the first place, due to a misdiagnosis and
thoroughly inappropriate treatment.

jen

Ahh the old "he touched me inappropriately" explanation, eh? Look, I'm
the first to admit that chiros have their fair share of quacks, but
the fact is you went to a chiro for something he wasn't qualified to
treat. Most would tell you that and send you to someone who could
help, this one didn't, and instead tried what he could, out of
ignorance or greed we'll never know. I've been equally screwed over by
greedy MD's who'll send you to their "specialist" buddys in much the
same way.
When selecting a chiro the best advice is find a very old guy whose
been practicing for 20 or more years, or one who had a father etc that
was a chiro and was trained by them. The new guys spend more time in
the classroom learning how to make money, than they do on anything
else.

(Miss Anne Thrope) said:

How long will it be before Betsy asks the group if anyone else has blood
loss from the genital area every few weeks?

I would like to be the one who gets to explain it to her.

Seems you have that with every post.

Quoted message said:

Then why quote one here if you weren't impressed with him/her?

You have a reading comprehension problem, I never quoted my PT. I
related what my PT said was the problem, and then explained how over
time I came to disagree with my PT's diagnosis.

Quoted message said:

Ahh the old "he touched me inappropriately" explanation, eh? Look, I'm
the first to admit that chiros have their fair share of quacks, but
the fact is you went to a chiro for something he wasn't qualified to
treat. Most would tell you that and send you to someone who could
help, this one didn't, and instead tried what he could, out of
ignorance or greed we'll never know. I've been equally screwed over by
greedy MD's who'll send you to their "specialist" buddys in much the
same way.
When selecting a chiro the best advice is find a very old guy whose
been practicing for 20 or more years, or one who had a father etc that
was a chiro and was trained by them. The new guys spend more time in
the classroom learning how to make money, than they do on anything
else.

Actually, this WAS over 20 years ago. It is hard to remember all the
details, I do recall the doctor that finally fixed me saying that what
the chiro did to me was "criminal." It did seem like the chiro wanted
to make me bad enough to be put on to disability (which I was - he
helped me file the claim paperwork) so he could have a steady stream
of money from my insurance.

At any rate, yes, I'm sure there are good chiro's out there somewhere.
But don't blame me for being shy about seeing another one.

jen

shinypenny said:

Quoted message said:

Then why quote one here if you weren't impressed with him/her?

You have a reading comprehension problem, I never quoted my PT. I
related what my PT said was the problem, and then explained how over
time I came to disagree with my PT's diagnosis.

Quoted message said:

Ahh the old "he touched me inappropriately" explanation, eh? Look, I'm
the first to admit that chiros have their fair share of quacks, but
the fact is you went to a chiro for something he wasn't qualified to
treat. Most would tell you that and send you to someone who could
help, this one didn't, and instead tried what he could, out of
ignorance or greed we'll never know. I've been equally screwed over by
greedy MD's who'll send you to their "specialist" buddys in much the
same way.
When selecting a chiro the best advice is find a very old guy whose
been practicing for 20 or more years, or one who had a father etc that
was a chiro and was trained by them. The new guys spend more time in
the classroom learning how to make money, than they do on anything
else.

Actually, this WAS over 20 years ago. It is hard to remember all the
details, I do recall the doctor that finally fixed me saying that what
the chiro did to me was "criminal." It did seem like the chiro wanted
to make me bad enough to be put on to disability (which I was - he
helped me file the claim paperwork) so he could have a steady stream
of money from my insurance.

At any rate, yes, I'm sure there are good chiro's out there somewhere.
But don't blame me for being shy about seeing another one.

jen

Christ you are a total imbecile. I'm not wasting my time on someone
whose IQ is less than my shoe size.

shinypenny said:

Quoted message said:

Then why quote one here if you weren't impressed with him/her?

You have a reading comprehension problem, I never quoted my PT. I
related what my PT said was the problem, and then explained how over
time I came to disagree with my PT's diagnosis.

Quoted message said:

Ahh the old "he touched me inappropriately" explanation, eh? Look, I'm
the first to admit that chiros have their fair share of quacks, but
the fact is you went to a chiro for something he wasn't qualified to
treat. Most would tell you that and send you to someone who could
help, this one didn't, and instead tried what he could, out of
ignorance or greed we'll never know. I've been equally screwed over by
greedy MD's who'll send you to their "specialist" buddys in much the
same way.
When selecting a chiro the best advice is find a very old guy whose
been practicing for 20 or more years, or one who had a father etc that
was a chiro and was trained by them. The new guys spend more time in
the classroom learning how to make money, than they do on anything
else.

Actually, this WAS over 20 years ago. It is hard to remember all the
details, I do recall the doctor that finally fixed me saying that what
the chiro did to me was "criminal." It did seem like the chiro wanted
to make me bad enough to be put on to disability (which I was - he
helped me file the claim paperwork) so he could have a steady stream
of money from my insurance.

At any rate, yes, I'm sure there are good chiro's out there somewhere.
But don't blame me for being shy about seeing another one.

jen

jen=asswipe

shinypenny said:

It did seem like the chiro wanted
to make me bad enough to be put on to disability (which I was - he
helped me file the claim paperwork) so he could have a steady stream
of money from my insurance.

Lieing idiot. First, chiros do not help you file paperwork, because
chiros and PT's do not exist in the eyes of the SSA, their opinions
are useless, and more a hinderance than a help. They never have, not
now, not 20 years ago, helped file paperwork. Next neither chiros or
dr's get "a steady stream of money from my insurance", they make
nothing.
Nice troll dumbass.