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  1. Well, here it is my first ultra experience.

    I woke to a cool drizzly day the morning of the race, meet up with DF and
    company and walked over to a
    local diner for some breakfast. I consumed three large pancakes with
    Blueberry goop.

    We then piled into Stewarts car and made the short trip to the start. Having
    to negotiate the mud puddles in the open field gave us a clue as to what we
    were about to experience. The pavilion was standing room only by the time
    we got there but getting our packets was fast and efficient. The packets
    were first class, the bag was a nice cloth bag with a draw string, In the
    packet were a short sleeve Brooks technical shirt and a hat of course!

    I proceeded to fill my 6 bottles with E-fuel and before I knew it we were
    off to the start. The rain had pretty much subsided by then and the weather
    was cool and overcast but not cold. I lined up back behind Doug and
    Stewart to use them as a gauge as to whether I was starting out too fast. We
    started in an open field and then onto the road for a bit. Before we entered
    the trails, I backed off a little and allowed some people to get in between
    me and my "rabbits". Before I knew it they were way ahead of me.
    There was some major excitement very soon after the race entered the trails,
    I heard yelling from behind and turned my head just in time to see two good
    size whitetail deer run right across the trail a 100 feet or so behind me.
    Luckily it appeared that everyone in that part of the trail saw
    them or was warned in time to get out of their way.

    I found that most people were far more conservative on the downhills then I
    and was forced to walk down a lot of hills or to start and stop
    constantly if I tried to run. The course was definitely slick and in some
    places just down right muddy but not ridiculous. It was no Hairy Gorilla
    Half. One thing I didn't
    expect was that somewhere after the second aid station (9+ miles) we were
    routed on the road for a couple of miles or so. Doug knows more than I of
    the
    details but a last minute change was made by order of a new park director to
    cut out some of the apparently really wet trails. I assume this was due to
    concern for damage to the trails rather than for the well being of the
    participants. I felt that I managed my energy well and felt ok upon
    returning to the pavilion which is apparently the 16 mile mark. I had even
    passed the infamous Nick (infamous
    due to an appearance in a BadWater film, ask Doug) in that section. There
    were no thoughts of "I can't believe I have to do that
    again" or anything like that. Well, Nick had the last laugh.

    I entered the pavilion at 3:10 and changed my shoes and socks, grabbed a
    brownie and cookie and refilled my bottles.
    I knew any chance for 6 hours was seriously in doubt at that point but still
    had hopes
    of 6:30. My pit stop cost me 6 minutes.

    I felt refreshed going back out into the field back to the trails and passed
    quite a few people on the way. I ran into a group of 4 friendly young women,
    young being a relative term (as I turn middle aged a year from tomorrow) who
    all were wearing the same orange shirts on the trails in the second
    half. I thought they were shirts from another race but it turned out they
    just trained together and one of them had designed shirts for the group. I
    had some good conversation with them for a couple of miles. The were from
    Annapolis and one of them was a yoga teacher and we discussed that for quite
    a
    bit, positions and all that, err.. I mean asanas I took off and passed them
    on a down hill soon before the 25 mile aid station. What was I thinking!
    At the aid station I got a good laugh from the crew when I looked at my
    watch (5:10) and said "just got to do 9s to get under 6 hours".

    After the aid station I came across a young couple from Connecticut that
    said they were doing their first "ultra". After they found out I was from
    NY the husband said "Do you do the Escarpment Trail run?" I said no and that
    it didn't look like I was going to qualify today.
    They replied "We love the Escarpment Trail". Apparently they don't consider
    it to be an ultra! They must of thought I was serious and tried to encourage
    me to try to get in anyway. Gee, too bad I don't know anyone with
    connections.

    After the road sections back on the trails was when I started to get cramps
    in both calves. I'm not sure what point that was , 27 or 28 miles? That
    pretty much turned most of the remainder of the event into a power hike. It
    was somewhat frustrating in that I wasn't spent. I just couldn't run without
    going into spasm. At one point in the rootiest, muddiest and rockiest three
    miles I stepped off to let someone by and he said "Oh no, go ahead I
    couldn't pass you if I wanted".

    Anyway finally I was out of the last trail section and headed back to the
    barn. I tried to break into a trot at that point and my calves replied "I
    don't think so!". Right before the finish there is a small hill you must
    overcome with a crowd of spectators urging you to run it. My first attempt
    came up short after a few strides but after more encouragement I was able to
    overcome the cramps and finish the hill and the race running.

    What did I miss? Well there was some great scenery when you dared to take
    your attention off the piece of trail directly in front of you. The company
    I came with was great as were the people I met along the way on the trail.
    The race was well organized, well marked trails, good aid stations and a
    great race package including a nice single strap pack for finishers.

    Lessons learned? I jumped into Doug's training runs in the middle which
    probably would have been ok if I didn't succumb to having to be macho and
    try keep up with the boys, especially on the downhills.Doing the 3rd loop
    the second time I went down was probably a bit too much also. I had to cut
    my mileage way back too soon as a result to have any hope of finishing the
    race.

    Thoughts?

    1. There's always next year.
    2. What's another 19 miles?

    And lastly much thanks to Doug for a great time and especially for arranging
    a chauffer for me and everything else.
    I knew things were going to click when we were packing our stuff in
    Stewart's car and all three of us had brought along a six pack of various
    brands of India Pale Ale 🙂

    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out!

    Parker

  2. "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.

    Oh I forgot, my official time was 6:46:30, 223rd out of 323 finishers and
    408 total starters.

    http://www.hatrun.com/RESULTS/07.htm

  3. Quoted message said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.

    Congrats on the finish. Kick the mud off your shoes and relax for a spell.
    You've certainly earned it. By the way, my first "ultra experience" was on
    my honeymoon.

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out!

    Well, at least you didn't include the trip to the race, like I did. ;-)
    I enjoyed the report. Thanks.

    --
    Phil M.

  4. "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    |
    | "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:[email hidden]...
    | > Well, here it is my first ultra experience.
    |
    | Oh I forgot, my official time was 6:46:30, 223rd out of 323 finishers and
    | 408 total starters.
    |
    | http://www.hatrun.com/RESULTS/07.htm
    |
    Congratulations on your first Ultra finish.
    Thanks for sharing your experience.
    It will be a good reference for a future first timer like me.

  5. Parker Race said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.


    .....

    Quoted message said:

    I proceeded to fill my 6 bottles with E-fuel

    So you carried 6 bottles with you while running? Did you have a backpack
    or something? How big were the bottles? Just curious.

    .....

    Quoted message said:


    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out!

    Parker

    It was nice. I enjoyed it. Thanks.

    jobs

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  6. Parker Race said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.

    I woke to a cool drizzly day the morning of the race, meet up with DF and
    company and walked over to a
    local diner for some breakfast. I consumed three large pancakes with
    Blueberry goop.

    We then piled into Stewarts car and made the short trip to the start. Having
    to negotiate the mud puddles in the open field gave us a clue as to what we
    were about to experience. The pavilion was standing room only by the time
    we got there but getting our packets was fast and efficient. The packets
    were first class, the bag was a nice cloth bag with a draw string, In the
    packet were a short sleeve Brooks technical shirt and a hat of course!

    I proceeded to fill my 6 bottles with E-fuel and before I knew it we were
    off to the start. The rain had pretty much subsided by then and the weather
    was cool and overcast but not cold. I lined up back behind Doug and
    Stewart to use them as a gauge as to whether I was starting out too fast. We
    started in an open field and then onto the road for a bit. Before we entered
    the trails, I backed off a little and allowed some people to get in between
    me and my "rabbits". Before I knew it they were way ahead of me.
    There was some major excitement very soon after the race entered the trails,
    I heard yelling from behind and turned my head just in time to see two good
    size whitetail deer run right across the trail a 100 feet or so behind me.
    Luckily it appeared that everyone in that part of the trail saw
    them or was warned in time to get out of their way.

    I found that most people were far more conservative on the downhills then I
    and was forced to walk down a lot of hills or to start and stop
    constantly if I tried to run.

    That's hard when you get stuck behind folks on the downhills. It just
    breaks the momentum.

    The course was definitely slick and in some

    Quoted message said:

    places just down right muddy but not ridiculous. It was no Hairy Gorilla
    Half. One thing I didn't
    expect was that somewhere after the second aid station (9+ miles) we were
    routed on the road for a couple of miles or so. Doug knows more than I of
    the
    details but a last minute change was made by order of a new park director to
    cut out some of the apparently really wet trails. I assume this was due to
    concern for damage to the trails rather than for the well being of the
    participants.

    If they had snow recently, then rain, it would be a good move for them
    to alter the course where they can to reduce trail damage.

    I felt that I managed my energy well and felt ok upon

    Quoted message said:

    returning to the pavilion which is apparently the 16 mile mark.

    Good job.

    ....

    Quoted message said:

    I ran into a group of 4 friendly young women,
    young being a relative term (as I turn middle aged a year from tomorrow) who
    all were wearing the same orange shirts on the trails in the second
    half. ... I took off and passed them
    on a down hill soon before the 25 mile aid station. What was I thinking!

    You hang out with Doug too much 🙂

    ....

    Quoted message said:


    After the road sections back on the trails was when I started to get cramps
    in both calves.

    ouch 🙁

    I'm not sure what point that was , 27 or 28 miles? That

    Quoted message said:

    pretty much turned most of the remainder of the event into a power hike. It
    was somewhat frustrating in that I wasn't spent. I just couldn't run without
    going into spasm.

    This is where your power hiking with Doug probably paid off.

    At one point in the rootiest, muddiest and rockiest three

    Quoted message said:

    miles I stepped off to let someone by and he said "Oh no, go ahead I
    couldn't pass you if I wanted".

    🙂

    .... Right before the finish there is a small hill you must

    Quoted message said:

    overcome with a crowd of spectators urging you to run it. My first attempt
    came up short after a few strides but after more encouragement I was able to
    overcome the cramps and finish the hill and the race running.

    Good job!

    Congratulations on a fine race, esp. for your first experience at that
    distance! Sounds like you had fun.

    ....

    Quoted message said:

    And lastly much thanks to Doug for a great time and especially for arranging
    a chauffer for me and everything else.
    I knew things were going to click when we were packing our stuff in
    Stewart's car and all three of us had brought along a six pack of various
    brands of India Pale Ale 🙂

    Yep, you've been hanging out with Doug.

    Quoted message said:


    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out!

    Thanks for the great report. It was an enjoyable read.

    Dot

    --
    "The goal is training and adaptation, not destruction and injury."
    - John Hardy
    http://www.mountainrunning.coolrunning.com.au/misc/training.shtml

  7. "jobs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Parker Race said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.


    ....

    Quoted message said:

    I proceeded to fill my 6 bottles with E-fuel

    So you carried 6 bottles with you while running? Did you have a backpack
    or something? How big were the bottles? Just curious.

    This is a newer model. I think the ones I have hold about 7 oz each.
    http://www.fuelbelt.com/fuel_belts/6_bottle.html

    I like this belt for training but I will look for something that holds two
    larger bottles for races.
    It takes too much time to fill them all!

    Quoted message said:


    ....

    Quoted message said:


    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out!

    Parker

    It was nice. I enjoyed it. Thanks.

    Glad you did, you're welcome.
    PR

    Quoted message said:

    jobs

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  8. "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Parker Race said:

    And lastly much thanks to Doug for a great time and especially for
    arranging a chauffer for me and everything else.
    I knew things were going to click when we were packing our stuff in
    Stewart's car and all three of us had brought along a six pack of
    various brands of India Pale Ale 🙂

    But I did have my immediate Heineken after the race and then moved on to
    the IPA. When the RD found I had IPA he came by to visit quite often
    with an empty cup. 🙂

    Quoted message said:


    Yep, you've been hanging out with Doug.

    Man can't live on bread alone. It's carbs and you need to get them
    ingested quickly after a race. 🙂

    -Doug

  9. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Parker Race said:

    And lastly much thanks to Doug for a great time and especially for
    arranging a chauffer for me and everything else.
    I knew things were going to click when we were packing our stuff in
    Stewart's car and all three of us had brought along a six pack of
    various brands of India Pale Ale 🙂

    But I did have my immediate Heineken after the race and then moved on to
    the IPA. When the RD found I had IPA he came by to visit quite often with
    an empty cup. 🙂

    Quoted message said:


    Yep, you've been hanging out with Doug.

    Man can't live on bread alone. It's carbs and you need to get them
    ingested quickly after a race. 🙂

    -Doug

    I couldn't believe how many people can drink beer and eat pizza at 9am!!!

  10. Parker said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.

    And I enjoyed reading about it.

    Congrats on the race and nice writeup!

    Quoted message said:

    2. What's another 19 miles?

    Of course this question is purely a thought experiment for me, but
    geez, I'd think if your calves were to still cramp at mile 28, another
    nineteen would be sheer hell! You sound like a glutton for
    punishment, Parker. Well, cold to moderate punishment, not heat.

    Or are you thinking you'd tuck in behind the orange shirts for the
    additional three quarters of a marathon? ;-)

  11. Parker Race said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.

    Big Congrats Parker! And great report too.

    Quoted message said:

    I found that most people were far more conservative on the downhills then I
    and was forced to walk down a lot of hills or to start and stop

    I found that on mine, too.

    Quoted message said:

    After the road sections back on the trails was when I started to get cramps
    in both calves. I'm not sure what point that was , 27 or 28 miles? That
    pretty much turned most of the remainder of the event into a power hike. It
    was somewhat frustrating in that I wasn't spent. I just couldn't run without
    going into spasm. At one point in the rootiest, muddiest and rockiest three
    miles I stepped off to let someone by and he said "Oh no, go ahead I
    couldn't pass you if I wanted".

    NOOOO!!!! Sorry to hear that hit you!

    Quoted message said:

    came up short after a few strides but after more encouragement I was able to
    overcome the cramps and finish the hill and the race running.

    Whew! And a big smile?

    Quoted message said:

    The race was well organized, well marked trails, good aid stations and a
    great race package including a nice single strap pack for finishers.

    Great. I wonder how much it'd cost to fly out there from Tucson....hmm...

    Quoted message said:

    Thoughts?

    1. There's always next year.
    2. What's another 19 miles?

    And lastly much thanks to Doug for a great time and especially for arranging
    a chauffer for me and everything else.
    I knew things were going to click when we were packing our stuff in
    Stewart's car and all three of us had brought along a six pack of various
    brands of India Pale Ale 🙂

    Great carbo-loading stuff....

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out!
    Parker

    No, it was fun to read! Are you looking towarrds another?

    Teresa in AZ

  12. Doug said:

    Man can't live on bread alone.

    Nah, but the addition of "liquid bread" will get him pretty far.

  13. "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Parker said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.

    And I enjoyed reading about it.

    Congrats on the race and nice writeup!


    Thanks.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    2. What's another 19 miles?

    Of course this question is purely a thought experiment for me, but
    geez, I'd think if your calves were to still cramp at mile 28, another
    nineteen would be sheer hell! You sound like a glutton for
    punishment, Parker. Well, cold to moderate punishment, not heat.

    A few of points. I went into this event over and then under trained due to a
    number of factors.

    Over: Doing too much on the hills/mountains too soon as I started with
    Doug's group late.
    Under: very low mileage between the Feb 24th workout and the race as I
    needed to recover from that effort.

    As one of Doug's disciples Jimmy pointed out to me during a run you can bonk
    during a 50 miler and recover.
    I started to get a cramp in my right before the last 5 miles loop of the 23
    miler I did with Doug's group. After ingesting electrolytes and water I was
    able to complete the 1100 foot hike up and then run back down without a
    problem.

    Quoted message said:


    Or are you thinking you'd tuck in behind the orange shirts for the
    additional three quarters of a marathon? ;-)

    http://tinyurl.com/2989nh

    Definitely.

  14. "Teresa Bippert-Plymate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Parker Race said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.

    Big Congrats Parker! And great report too.


    Thanks!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I found that most people were far more conservative on the downhills then
    I
    and was forced to walk down a lot of hills or to start and stop

    I found that on mine, too.

    It's a tough call, do you push it to get ahead and risk paying later?
    For me the answer was no as I was entering unexplored territory.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    After the road sections back on the trails was when I started to get
    cramps in both calves. I'm not sure what point that was , 27 or 28 miles?
    That pretty much turned most of the remainder of the event into a power
    hike. It was somewhat frustrating in that I wasn't spent. I just couldn't
    run without going into spasm. At one point in the rootiest, muddiest and
    rockiest three miles I stepped off to let someone by and he said "Oh no,
    go ahead I couldn't pass you if I wanted".

    NOOOO!!!! Sorry to hear that hit you!

    It wasn't so bad, if it had happened at 20 miles though .....
    I forgot to mention that the guy that "couldn't pass me if I wanted" did on
    the road. G*#d^%*n 60 year olds!

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    came up short after a few strides but after more encouragement I was able
    to overcome the cramps and finish the hill and the race running.

    Whew! And a big smile?


    Yes, in relief!

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    The race was well organized, well marked trails, good aid stations and a
    great race package including a nice single strap pack for finishers.

    Great. I wonder how much it'd cost to fly out there from Tucson....hmm...

    After coming back to cool damp weather in NY I was looking at training for
    work and was wondering the same about Arizona!
    I can't justify it though as the same courses are offered locally.
    Look like I'll be in Charlie's back yard at the end of May instead.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Thoughts?

    1. There's always next year.
    2. What's another 19 miles?

    And lastly much thanks to Doug for a great time and especially for
    arranging a chauffer for me and everything else.
    I knew things were going to click when we were packing our stuff in
    Stewart's car and all three of us had brought along a six pack of various
    brands of India Pale Ale 🙂

    Great carbo-loading stuff....


    I saved mine for later, went for the chili to warm my hands and body.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out! Parker

    No, it was fun to read! Are you looking towarrds another?

    I have to let my inflamed joint in between my first and second toe heal
    first, it's been bothering me since January but I've put off resting it
    until the race was over.
    Maybe Vermont in September, distance TBD.
    I was on the bike yesterday. I have to check the pool schedule, maybe a tri
    this Summer.

    Quoted message said:


    Teresa in AZ


    Parker

  15. "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Parker Race wrote:

    That's hard when you get stuck behind folks on the downhills. It just
    breaks the momentum.

    Yes, and I wonder if it had an effect as far as cramping?

    Quoted message said:

    I felt that I managed my energy well and felt ok upon

    Quoted message said:

    returning to the pavilion which is apparently the 16 mile mark.

    Good job.

    Thanks though I feel it was fear more than smarts that accounted for that!

    ...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I ran into a group of 4 friendly young women, young being a relative term
    (as I turn middle aged a year from tomorrow) who all were wearing the
    same orange shirts on the trails in the second
    half. ... I took off and passed them
    on a down hill soon before the 25 mile aid station. What was I thinking!

    You hang out with Doug too much 🙂


    That's not possible!

    Quoted message said:

    ...

    Quoted message said:


    After the road sections back on the trails was when I started to get
    cramps in both calves.

    ouch 🙁

    Not too bad I've had much worse. Boston in 2004, 85F.

    Quoted message said:


    I'm not sure what point that was , 27 or 28 miles? That

    Quoted message said:

    pretty much turned most of the remainder of the event into a power hike.
    It was somewhat frustrating in that I wasn't spent. I just couldn't run
    without going into spasm.

    This is where your power hiking with Doug probably paid off.


    That's why I made the trips down there.

    Quoted message said:


    At one point in the rootiest, muddiest and rockiest three

    Quoted message said:

    miles I stepped off to let someone by and he said "Oh no, go ahead I
    couldn't pass you if I wanted".

    🙂

    He got me on the road though.

    Quoted message said:

    ... Right before the finish there is a small hill you must

    Quoted message said:

    overcome with a crowd of spectators urging you to run it. My first
    attempt came up short after a few strides but after more encouragement I
    was able to overcome the cramps and finish the hill and the race running.

    Good job!

    Congratulations on a fine race, esp. for your first experience at that
    distance! Sounds like you had fun.


    Thanks!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I knew things were going to click when we were packing our stuff in
    Stewart's car and all three of us had brought along a six pack of various
    brands of India Pale Ale 🙂

    Yep, you've been hanging out with Doug.


    Again by definition that's not possible! Though my wife may differ with me
    there.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out!

    Thanks for the great report. It was an enjoyable read.

    Dot

    It was my pleasure.

    Quoted message said:


    --
    "The goal is training and adaptation, not destruction and injury."
    - John Hardy
    http://www.mountainrunning.coolrunning.com.au/misc/training.shtml

  16. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.

    Congrats on the finish. Kick the mud off your shoes and relax for a spell.
    You've certainly earned it. By the way, my first "ultra experience" was on
    my honeymoon.

    I won't go there!

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out!

    Well, at least you didn't include the trip to the race, like I did. ;-)
    I enjoyed the report. Thanks.

    --
    Phil M.

    You're welcome, sorry your Marathon experience was sub par.
    One question do you like PowerAde? I can' tolerate it.

    Parker

  17. Parker Race said:

    "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.

    Quoted message said:

    Congrats on the finish. Kick the mud off your shoes and relax for a spell.
    You've certainly earned it. By the way, my first "ultra experience" was on
    my honeymoon.

    I won't go there!

    Glad you didn't. It would've been a little crowded. ;-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out!

    Quoted message said:

    Well, at least you didn't include the trip to the race, like I did. ;-)
    I enjoyed the report. Thanks.

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    --
    Phil M.

    You're welcome, sorry your Marathon experience was sub par.
    One question do you like PowerAde? I can' tolerate it.

    No, I do not like it, but gastrointestinally speaking, I can tolerate
    it. It tastes worse then Gatorbarf. When I finally had some after 2
    1/2 hours of marathon running, it actually tasted pretty good. Must've
    been something in that [censored] that my body needed. My preference is
    Cytomax, but not very many races serve it. In the 50-miler I did last
    April, I carried my own Cytomax powder and mixed it at the aid
    stations, which works fine when you plan on stopping, eating,
    drinking, chatting, etc. I considered doing that for the marathon this
    time, but that would have cost me a few more minutes.

    --
    Phil M.

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    I have to let my inflamed joint in between my first and second toe heal
    first, it's been bothering me since January but I've put off resting it
    until the race was over.

    Clarification: joint as in metatarsals, I'm not flexible enough for the
    alternative.

  19. "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Well, here it is my first ultra experience.


    ....

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    What did I miss? Well there was some great scenery when you dared to take
    your attention off the piece of trail directly in front of you. The
    company I came with was great as were the people I met along the way on
    the trail. The race was well organized, well marked trails, good aid
    stations and a great race package including a nice single strap pack for
    finishers.

    Sounds like you had fun. While it's true that on some trails you have to
    look down, or ahead, instead of at the scenery, on easy/medium trails you
    can look around plenty once you have enough experience, at least that's how
    it is for me.

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    Lessons learned? I jumped into Doug's training runs in the middle which
    probably would have been ok if I didn't succumb to having to be macho and
    try keep up with the boys, especially on the downhills.Doing the 3rd loop
    the second time I went down was probably a bit too much also. I had to cut
    my mileage way back too soon as a result to have any hope of finishing the
    race.

    Yup, you were brave to jump into those sessions (on ROADS nonetheless!).

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    Thoughts?

    1. There's always next year.
    2. What's another 19 miles?

    Another 19 is more than a marathon 😉 You'll see!

    Quoted message said:

    And lastly much thanks to Doug for a great time and especially for
    arranging a chauffer for me and everything else.
    I knew things were going to click when we were packing our stuff in
    Stewart's car and all three of us had brought along a six pack of various
    brands of India Pale Ale 🙂

    Sorry this was so long, especially considering I left a lot out!

    Parker

    No apologies necessary, enjoyed the report, thanks.

    -Tony

  20. "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    I felt refreshed going back out into the field back to the trails and
    passed
    quite a few people on the way. I ran into a group of 4 friendly young
    women, young being a relative term (as I turn middle aged a year from
    tomorrow) who all were wearing the same orange shirts on the trails in the
    second
    half. I thought they were shirts from another race but it turned out they
    just trained together and one of them had designed shirts for the group. I
    had some good conversation with them for a couple of miles. The were from
    Annapolis and one of them was a yoga teacher and we discussed that for
    quite a bit, positions and all that, err..

    Watch out, some of those women are predatory... :-)

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    After the road sections back on the trails was when I started to get
    cramps in both calves. I'm not sure what point that was , 27 or 28 miles?
    That pretty much turned most of the remainder of the event into a power
    hike. It was somewhat frustrating in that I wasn't spent. I just couldn't
    run without going into spasm.

    Cramps in multiple muscles after 4-5 hours are always (in my case) caused by
    dehydration. It's easy to get behind when you're out there for all those
    hours. I drink and take Succeed caps like a maniac, and sometimes still
    find myself on the verge of cramping after 4 hours when racing. The
    solution is chew a Succeed cap and drink a bottle of water. They go away
    within a couple of minutes. That puts you over the cramp threshold, now you
    need to get above the curve and drink more over the next half hour. Try it
    sometime...it's a lifesaver.

    Also, cramps seem to happen when I feel strong, strangely enough.

    Anyhow, nice report. And good effort on your maiden voyage. A little
    hydration tweaking and you're on your way...

    -- Dan

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