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Iain said:

I found the one newsgroup I went to unbelievable with all the responses that
the trolls were receiving - frequently from the same people, so maybe they
should be considered trolls as well!

Also the responses are being sent to all the same (and rather peculiar) mix
of newsgroups.

Please don't feed the trolls, or you may be killfiled as well.

Iain

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Brindal (took this from another frequently trolled group)

Iain said:

Please don't feed the trolls, or you may be killfiled as well.

Do it. It's the only way.

"Love each other as I have loved you." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen.

Marana tha

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Jun 21, 8:21 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

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"Lo..<snip>..

More Bum juice from andrew chang the deceitful sinner

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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Iain said...

Quoted message said:

I found the one newsgroup I went to unbelievable with all the responses
that
the trolls were receiving - frequently from the same people, so maybe
they
should be considered trolls as well!

Also the responses are being sent to all the same (and rather peculiar)
mix
of newsgroups.

Please don't feed the trolls, or you may be killfiled as well.

Hey - Where is this newsgroup that you're talking about? I'd like to see
this odd behavior myself.

Thanks!

You mean you wanna get in on the fun?

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- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

MD/PhD said:

"Love each other as I have loved you." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen.

"If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and
wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he
cannot be my disciple." - Luke 14:26
(Jesus)

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Marana tha

Marina del Rey

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Velvet Elvis said:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:21:24 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Quoted message said:

"Love each other as I have loved you." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Quoted message said:

Amen.

"If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and
wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he
cannot be my disciple." - Luke 14:26
(Jesus)

Depression and Self-Loathing... now sanctioned by the pope!

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Marana tha

Mah Nah Mah Nah... Do do do do do.

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Marina del Rey

Sananda Maitreya (previously know as Terence Trent D'Arby)

Iain said:

I found the one newsgroup I went to unbelievable with all the responses that
the trolls were receiving - frequently from the same people, so maybe they
should be considered trolls as well!

Also the responses are being sent to all the same (and rather peculiar) mix
of newsgroups.

Please don't feed the trolls, or you may be killfiled as well.

But soon, you will need permission to use a killfile.

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Velvet Elvis said:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:21:24 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Quoted message said:

"Love each other as I have loved you." -- LORD Jesus Christ

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Amen.

"If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and
wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he
cannot be my disciple." - Luke 14:26
(Jesus)

.. On Being Dead

John 3:18 (NASB95)

18 "aHe who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe
has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of
bthe 1only begotten Son of God.

[1]

3:18 Now all mankind is divided into two classes: either believers or
unbelievers. Our eternal destiny is determined by the attitude we take
toward the Son of God. The one who trusts the Savior is not condemned, but
the one who does not trust Him is condemned already. The Lord Jesus has
finished the work of salvation, and now it is up to each individual to
decide whether he will accept Him or reject Him. It is a terrible thing to
reject such a gift of love. If a man will not believe on the Lord Jesus,
God can do nothing else but condemn him. [2]

Why don't people come to the light? It is not because they don't believe
the gospel intellectually or because they struggle with it philosophically.
Please remember this the next time you're involved in a discussion with
those who attempt to undermine your faith. The issue is never evolution,
Cain's wife, or the Immaculate Conception. According to Jesus, the one and
only reason people don't come to the Light is because they prefer
darkness.[3]

3:18 The person who believes in Jesus escapes condemnation (cf. 5:24; Rom.
8:1). However the person who does not believe in Jesus stands condemned
already with no way of escape (cf. 3:36). The reason for his or her
condemnation then becomes his or her failure to believe on the One whom God
lovingly and graciously has provided for salvation. Faith is the
instrumental means by which we obtain salvation. Failure to exercise faith
in Jesus will result in spiritual death just as failure to believe in the
brazen serpent resulted in physical death for the Israelites (Num. 21:4-9).
The difference between belief and unbelief is clear from here on in this
Gospel.[4]

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a Mark 16:16; John 5:24
b John 1:18; 1 John 4:9
1 Or unique, only one of His kind

[1] New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995. LaHabra, CA: The
Lockman Foundation.

[2]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary
: Old and New Testaments (Jn 3:18). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

[3]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (460).
Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.

[4]Tom Constable. (2003; 2003). Tom Constable's Expository Notes on the
Bible (Jn 3:18). Galaxie Software.

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Velvet Elvis said:

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:21:24 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Quoted message said:

"Love each other as I have loved you." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Quoted message said:

Amen.

"If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and
wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life,
he
cannot be my disciple." - Luke 14:26
(Jesus)

Depression and Self-Loathing... now sanctioned by the pope!

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Marana tha

Mah Nah Mah Nah... Do do do do do.

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Marina del Rey

Sananda Maitreya (previously know as Terence Trent D'Arby)

Santeria
Santana

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On Jun 21, 5:47 pm, Velvet Elvis <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Marana tha

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Mah Nah Mah Nah... Do do do do do.

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Marina del Rey

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Sananda Maitreya (previously know as Terence Trent D'Arby)

Santeria
Santana

Julez or Carlos?
Carlos had a Black Magic Woman. He apparently took her from Mick
Fleetwood. Stevie Wonder's Jesus People of America (like Chung)
probably would burn her at the stake. Ditto any Santeria people.

Amazing. It's a full circle.

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The Core of the Christian Worldview

(1 John 4:6 NASB)

6 ?a?We are from God; ?b?he who knows God listens to us; ?c?he
who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know ?d?the spirit
of truth and ?e?the spirit of error.

[1]

I used to tell the people of my church that I use the Bible as a Geiger
counter. A Geiger counter tells you whether or not there is uranium there in
the rocks and in the soil. So I just run the Geiger counter over the
congregation, and the Bible is what I use-it's my Geiger counter. I want
to tell you, God's children will always respond to it. That was my
confidence as a pastor, and that is my confidence as I write this book:
God's people are going to hear. And, my friend, I do not expect the other
crowd to hear. If they don't want to hear it, all they have to do is close this
book. The Christian ministry does not depend upon them for support;
God's people are to support God's work. After all, the ark of the
covenant was carried on the shoulders of the priests of Israel. The ark
speaks of Christ, and if we are to take Him to the world, we must carry
Him on our shoulders. The supreme encouragement of the ministry is to
know that God's children will hear you. The elect cannot permanently be
deceived. Christ said it is not possible to deceive the elect.

John was sure of who the Lord Jesus was. He could say, "And the Word
was made [became] flesh, and dwelt [pitched His tent] among us, (and we
beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of
grace and truth" (John 1:14). Then John gave us the purpose of his gospel:
"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples,
which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might
have life through his name" (John 20:30-31). John had indubitable,
indestructible, inevitable evidence that Jesus was who He claimed to be.
John knew that, and that is something we need to be a little more sure of
today.

[2]

In case you haven't noticed, "worldview" is a very hot topic among
evangelical Christians from all communions of the household of faith. Every
day sees new articles and books, more opportunities for conferences and
seminars, innovative courses and curriculum, and established institutions
and ministries of all kinds jumping on the worldview bandwagon. Over the
past ten years, the followers of Christ have begun to consider more
carefully the far-reaching implications of His Lordship.

Which, of course, is a very good development. It will take a generation or
so for the seeds that are today being sown to take solid root and begin to
flourish, but if this widespread sowing of worldview sentiments continues,
we can expect, in the generation to come, a profusion of new and exciting
expressions of biblical Christianity, penetrating and bearing fruit in virtually
every area of human life and interest. The prospect is truly exciting. The
breadth and depth at which Christian worldview thinking is being sown
should cause us to rejoice, and to pray that God would bring revival and
reformation as the harvest.

At the same time, the present interest in worldview is creating some
confusion. For some people the very word-"worldview"-suggests a
subject so arcane and academic that they want nothing to do with it. For
others, the profusion of worldview resources and opportunities makes it
difficult to determine which is the best way of thinking about, or working to
construct, a Christian worldview. It's easy to get lost in the jumble of terms
and topics. It can be difficult to understand the method of some worldview
thinkers. And there's just so much to read, so much information flooding
the bookstores and Web pages, that it's hard to know when you've read
enough, or whether what you're reading is as reliable as it ought to be.

We can be grateful that, when the Lord chose His first disciples, He did
not select any academics or philosophers. He chose humble men with
hearts for God, men who would be able, under the influence of the Holy
Spirit, to grasp profound truths and communicate them in the simplest of
terms.

And of those first disciples, John shows the keenest ability to capture the
sublime and convey it to simple people like us. His gospel, epistles, and
Revelation communicate the sum and substance of the Christian worldview
with captivating narratives, meaning-laden terms, and compelling images.
John, the humble fisherman, can provide us with a map for Christian
worldview thinking that will enable us to stand firmly on the ground of
Christian worldview and work with its grist to create things beautiful, true,
and good.

A key text for understanding Christian worldview according to the Apostle
John is 1 John 4. If we will listen to John, and learn from him, we will be
well prepared to enter the worldview conversation that the Spirit of God is
conducting today within the Body of Christ.

.. THE GROUND FOR CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW

The ground of Christian worldview is the foundational perspective from
which the follower of Christ looks out on the world, understands his place
in it, takes up his callings and burdens, and seeks the kingdom of God as
the first priority of life. John tells us that the ground of Christian worldview
is the incarnation of Jesus Christ: "By this you know the Spirit of God:
every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from
God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God" (vv. 2,
3). In the Christian worldview we take our stand on the incarnation of
Jesus Christ, and all that implies. This is our starting point, and this is where
we always return. John suggests three implications of the incarnation of
Christ for the Christian worldview.

First, the incarnation of Jesus implies that God exists, that He cares about
the world in its frail and fallen estate, and that only a dramatic initiative on
His part can overcome the desperate plight of humankind. Jesus came to
earth as the Word of God, sent from God, but, at the same time, God
Himself. He entered the time/space continuum in which we live and move
and have our being in order to introduce a new reality to our wretched
condition, the reality of the Kingdom of God-His own rule over the
cosmos unto a new creation, progressively, and in due course.

The Christian worldview begins with the understanding that human beings
and the world they inhabit are in need of new hope, a new message, a new
beginning, and new resources to help them overcome their habitual ways
of wantonness, warfare, and waste. Jesus came from eternity into time,
from God to humanity, as the Word of God, the power and message of life
through death, forgiveness through judgment, and hope through despair.
With Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and ascension, the work God planned
for the redemption of the world has begun in earnest. It will be brought to
its completion in due course, when Jesus, who was once incarnated among
us, comes again to take us unto Himself, that we may be with Him and like
Him (1 John 3:2).

(1 John 3:2 NASB)

2 ?a?Beloved, now we are ?b?children of God, and ?c?it has
not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He ?d?appears,
we will be ?e?like Him, because we will ?f?see Him just as He is.

[3]

3:2 However, understood or not, now we are children of God, and this is
the guarantee of future glory. It has not yet been revealed what we shall
be, but we do know that when Christ is revealed, we shall be like Him, for
we shall see Him as He is. This does not mean that we will be physically
like Jesus in heaven. The Lord Jesus will have His own definite
appearance, and will bear the scars of Calvary throughout eternity. Each of
us, we believe, will have his own distinct features and will be recognizable
as such. The Bible does not teach that everyone will look alike in heaven.
However, we will be morally like the Lord Jesus Christ. We will be free
from the possibility of defilement, sin, sickness, sorrow, and death.

And how will this marvelous transformation be accomplished? The answer
is that one look at Christ will bring it to pass. For we shall see Him as He
is. Here in life, the process of becoming like Christ is going on, as we
behold Him by faith in the word of God. But then the process will be
absolutely complete when we see Him as He is: for to see Him is to be like
Him.

[4]

In the second place, the incarnation of Jesus implies the present reign of
the Spirit of God, as He works to advance the kingdom of righteousness,
peace, and joy on earth, as it is in Heaven (Romans 14:17; Matthew
6:10). God who came down among us in the person of the Word, Jesus
Christ, continues among us in the person of the Holy Spirit. His ministry, as
John explains it, is to advance truth against error (v. 6), to overcome the
darkness of sin and unbelief with the light of life and truth (1 John 2:8), to
empower human beings to live for God and eternity, and to help us escape
the snares of all that is merely mortal and mundane
(1 John 2:15-17).

(1 John 2:15-17 NASB)

.. Do Not Love the World

15 Do not love ?a?the world nor the things in the world. ?b?If
anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, ?a?the lust of the flesh and ?b?the lust
of the eyes and ?c?the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but
is from the world.

17 ?a?The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who
?b?does the will of God lives forever.

[5]

2:15, 16 We are plainly warned not to love the world or the things that are
in the world, for the simple reason that love for the world is not compatible
with love for the Father. All that the world has to offer may be described
as the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. The lust of
the flesh refers to such sensual bodily appetites as proceed from within our
evil nature. The lust of the eyes applies to such evil desires as may arise
from what we see. The pride of life is an unholy ambition for self-display
and self-glory. These three elements of worldliness are illustrated in the sin
of Eve. The tree was good for food; that is the lust of the flesh. The tree
was pleasant to the eyes; that is the lust of the eyes. It was a tree to be
desired to make one wise; this describes the pride of life.

As the devil is opposed to Christ, and the flesh is hostile to the Spirit, so
the world is antagonistic to the Father. Appetite, avarice, and ambition are
not of the Father, but of the world. That is, they do not proceed from the
Father, but find their source in the world. Worldliness is the love for
passing things. The human heart can never find satisfaction with things.

2:17 The world is passing away, and the lust of it. When a bank is
breaking, smart people do not deposit in it. When the foundation is
tottering, intelligent builders do not proceed. Concentrating on this world is
like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. So wise people do not live
for a world that is passing away. But he who does the will of God abides
forever. It is the will of God that delivers us from the temptation of passing
things. This, incidentally, was the life verse of D. L. Moody, the great
evangelist, and is inscribed on his tombstone: "He who does the will of
God abides forever."

[6]

.. GOD VS. THE EVIL WORLD

John warned believers not lo love this world and its selfish pleasures.
Christians stand in a war zone. The battle takes place here on earth as the
spiritual forces of God battle against those of Satan. While God allows
Satan to rule over the earth through the minds of those in rebellion against
God, Satan's kingdom will one day be destroyed. Christians live in this
world but are not of it. Satan hates Christians' detachment and attempts to
make life as difficult as possible for Christ's followers. To give in to the
senseless lust for possessions and power, to spend money on selfish
desires and foolish upgrades in cars, clothes, homes, and equipment while
ignoring the needs of others is to lose the cosmic war to Satan. So,
Christian, know that Satan wars against you, and remember that you
represent the winning side.

Reference
Verse (quoted from nrsv)

Matthew 6:24
" 'No one can serve two masters: for a slave will either hate the one and
love the other, or be devoted to the one and despise the other.You cannot
serve God and wealth.' "

John 12:31
" 'Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be
driven out.' "

John 14:30
" 'I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of world is coming. He
has no power over me.' "

John 15:18
" 'If the world hates you, be aware that it hated me before it hated you.' "

Ephesians 6:11-12
"Put on the whole armor of God, so that you may be able to stand against
the wiles of the devil. For our struggle is not against enemies of blood and
flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, aganst the cosmic
powers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the
heavenly places."

James 4:4
"Adulterers! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity
with God? Therefore whoever wish to be a friend of the world becomes
an enemy of God

1 John 2:16
"For all that is in the world-the desire of the flesh, the desire of the eyes,
the pride in riches-comes not from the Father but from the world."

1 John 3:1
"See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called children
of God: and that is what we are. The reason the world does not know us
is that it did not know him."

1 John 4:4
"Little children, you are from God, and have conquered them; for the one
who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world."

1 John 5:19
"We know that we are God's children, and that the whole world lies
under the power of the evil one."

[7]

Because Jesus Christ came among us, and has returned to God, the Spirit
of God is now at large in the world, striving with men and women so that
they might turn to the Lord (Genesis 6:3), bringing the gift of forgiveness
and life to all who believe in Jesus (Galatians 4:6; John 1:12), teaching the
things of God to His children (1 Corinthians 2:12,13; 1 John 2:26,27),
bringing forth in them fruit and gifts for loving service to others (Galatians
5:22,23; 1 Corinthians 12:7-11), and empowering them as living witnesses
to the enthroned Christ and His unfolding kingdom of grace (Acts 1:8;
Psalm 110:1-3). So as we take our stand on the ground of Jesus'
incarnation, we also embrace the present work of the Spirit of God as He
labors among us to will and do of God's good pleasure in the unfolding of
His kingdom of righteousness, peace, and joy (Philippians 2:12,13;
Romans 14:17). The Spirit bears witness to Jesus, and He forms Jesus in
us, thus further extending the ground of Christian worldview (Acts 1:8; 2
Corinthians 3:12-18).

But third, the incarnation of Jesus as the ground of Christian worldview
implies an authoritative message concerning what is true and good and
what is not. That message, John says, was entrusted to the apostles, who
were sent from God (v. 6), inspired by Him (2 Peter 1:19-21), and
commissioned to interpret the Scriptures and add to them what God
required for the building of His holy temple and chosen people, the Church
(Ephesians 2:19-22).

What the apostles have written is the Word of God (2 Peter 3:15,16), and
we must be careful, in developing our Christian worldview, not to go
beyond their words, or the interpretations they have provided, lest we
become harbingers of error rather than truth (1 Corinthians 4:6; 1 John
4:6). God has come among us; God continues among us; and God has
given us His written and authoritative Word, once for all delivered to the
saints (Jude 3) and kept intact by the Spirit in the hands of faithful
guardians and teachers from age to age (Isaiah 40:8).

====================

The ground, the basis and foundation, for all Christian worldview thinking
and living is Jesus Christ, as revealed in the Word of God and taught by
the Spirit in the context of His kingdom. Unless we take our stand here,
and are careful to refer all our thinking to this as our touchstone and base,
we run the risk of drifting into confusion and error.

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.. THE GRIST OF CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW

But if the incarnation of Jesus Christ is the ground of Biblical
worldview-where we take our stand and pitch our tent-then love is the
grist of all such thinking. The grist is the finely ground grain produced from
all that grinding and milling. With the grist you can make many wonderful,
profitable things. In the same way, the grist with which the substance and
profit of the Christian worldview come to expression is love-love for
God, and love for our neighbors (vv. 7-12).

Believers are like raw, dried corn. We need to be ground and milled by
God before we will be good for anything in this world. We must be broken
down, purified-all the chaff removed-and prepared for His use. God
"puts us through the mill" in a variety of ways: spiritual disciplines,
temptations and trials, the teaching and preaching of faithful servants, the
demands of our callings, and the kindness of others. He applies the Rock
of Christ and the Stone of His Word to the hard shells of our souls,
breaking away everything that is unprofitable and preparing us for His use
as the bearers of His love. We will know that our Christian worldview
thinking has begun to bear fruit when we find ourselves ready and active in
loving God and others in selfless, serving ways.

It doesn't matter which aspect of the Christian worldview you are
considering. The operative force, as well as the goal and outworking of it
all, is love. In the Christian worldview, Paul tells us, the only thing that
matters is faith working through love (Galatians 5:6).

(Galatians 5:6) NASB

6 For in ?a?Christ Jesus ?b?neither circumcision nor
uncircumcision means anything, but ?c?faith working through love.

[8]

5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any
value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. NIV
Notice how Paul built his arguments. In 5:2 and here he clearly made the
point that circumcision had no benefit for salvation. In 5:4 he stressed the
point that seeking justification by any other way than by having faith in
Christ was falling away from grace. Then he added the flip side: Being
uncircumcised was not a barrier to salvation. Paul stressed the serious
state of church members who fall away. Today we must be alert to church
people who listen to teachers from cults. We must avoid anyone who
dilutes or diminishes Christ's work in guaranteeing our salvation.

.. BELIEVERS' TRUE IDENTITY IN CHRIST

Romans 3:24
We are justified (declared "not guilty" of sin).

Romans 8:1
We await no condemnation.

Romans 8:2
We are set free from the law of sin and death.

1 Corinthians 1:2
We are sanctified and made acceptable in Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30
We are righteous and holy in Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:22
We will be made alive at the resurrection.

2 Corinthians 5:17
We are new creations.

2 Corinthians 5:21
We receive God's righteousness.

Galatians 3:28
We are one in Christ with all other believers.

Ephesians 1:3
We are blessed with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

Ephesians 1:4
We are holy, blameless, and covered with God's love.

Ephesians 1:5-6
We are adopted as God's children.

Ephesians 1:7
We are forgiven-our sins are taken away.

Ephesians 1:10-11
We will be brought under Christ's headship.

Ephesians 1:13
We are marked as belonging to God by the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 2:6
We have been raised up to sit with Christ in glory.

Ephesians 2:10
We are God's work of art.

Ephesians 2:13
We have been brought near to God.

Ephesians 3:6
We share in the promise in Christ.

Ephesians 3:12
We can come with freedom and confidence into God's presence.

Ephesians 5:29-30
We are members of Christ's body, the church.

Colossians 2:10
We have been given fullness in Christ.

Colossians 2:11
We are set free from our sinful nature.

2 Timothy 2:10
We will have eternal glory.

[9]

The Apostle John would certainly agree. Are we talking about the
Christian view of home and family? The goal of all our conversation is the
promotion of love for God and our family. Has our discussion turned to
politics and government? The arts and education? Ethics and the
marketplace? In any and every segment of the worldview conversation the
believer seeks the end of love, love which does no harm to our neighbor
and brings no dishonor to God, but which seeks to edify those around us
and exalt Him who has called us to Himself.

Love covers a multitude of sins. Love always thinks the best of others.
Love bears all things and seeks to do every good work. Love reflects the
divine affection for the cosmos and invites others into fellowship with their
Creator. Love overcomes everything. Love is the grist from which
marriages are renewed and families are restored. Love is the grist which
brings trust and fairness to the marketplace, justice and compassion to the
community, honesty and integrity to the halls of government, and beauty
and goodness to the arts. No wonder this is the only proper end of
Christian worldview.

====================

So the beginning and end of Christian worldview-the ground and grist of
all that encompasses this exciting conversation-is incarnate love: the love
of God incarnate in Jesus Christ, and the love of Christ incarnate to the
world through those who are seeking His Kingdom above all else. Hang all
your worldview thinking on these two truths, and you won't go wrong.

====================

FOR REFLECTION

How do you think about the subject of Christian worldview? Does it
appeal to you? Leave you cold? Should you be thinking differently about it
in any way?

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T. M. Moore is dean of the Centurions Program of the Wilberforce Forum
and principal of The Fellowship of Ailbe, a spiritual fellowship in the Celtic
Christian tradition. He is the author or editor of twenty books, and has
contributed chapters to four others. His essays, reviews, articles, papers,
and poetry have appeared in dozens of national and international journals,
and on a wide range of websites. His most recent books are The Ailbe
Psalter and The Ground for Christian Ethics, (Waxed Tablet). He and his
wife and editor, Susie, make their home in Concord, Tenn.

Edited & Commentary supplemented by jbl.

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a John 8:23; 1 John 4:4

b John 8:47; 10:3ff; 18:37

c 1 Cor 14:37

d John 14:17

e 1 Tim 4:1

[1]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Jn 4:6).
LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

[2]McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on
the Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (5:804). Nashville:
Thomas Nelson.

a 1 John 2:7

b John 1:12; 11:52; Rom 8:16; 1 John 3:1, 10

c Rom 8:19, 23f

d Luke 17:30; Col 3:4; 1 John 2:28

e Rom 8:29; 2 Pet 1:4

f John 17:24; 2 Cor 3:18

[3]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Jn 3:2).
LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

[4]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible
Commentary : Old and New Testaments (1 Jn 3:2). Nashville: Thomas
Nelson.

a Rom 12:2; James 1:27

b James 4:4

a Rom 13:14; Eph 2:3; 1 Pet 2:11

b Prov 27:20

c James 4:16

a 1 Cor 7:31

b Mark 3:35

[5]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Jn 2:15-17).
LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

[6]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible
Commentary : Old and New Testaments (1 Jn 2:15). Nashville: Thomas
Nelson.

nrsv Scripture quotations marked NRSV are taken from the New Revised
Standard Version of the Bible, copyrighted, 1989 by the Division of
Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in
the United States of America, and are used by permission. All rights
reserved.

[7]Barton, B. B., & Osborne, G. R. (1998). 1, 2 & 3 John. Life
application Bible commentary (43). Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House.

a Gal 3:26

b 1 Cor 7:19; Gal 6:15

c Col 1:4f; 1 Thess 1:3; James 2:18, 20, 22

[8]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Ga 5:6).
LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

NIV Scripture quotations marked NIV are taken from the Holy Bible,
New International Version®. NIV®. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by
International Bible Society. Used by permission of Zondervan Publishing
House. All rights reserved.

[9]Barton, B. B. (1994). Galatians. Life application Bible commentary
(163). Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House.

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judge those who have set him at nought." (Comp. Phil. 4:5; James 5:8, 9.)
Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

(1 Corinthians 16:22 NASB)

22 If anyone does not love the Lord, he is to be ?1??a?accursed.
?2??b?Maranatha. [1]

(Revelation 22:20-21 NASB)

20 He who ?a?testifies to these things says, "Yes, ?b?I am coming
quickly." Amen. ?c?Come, Lord Jesus.

21 ?a?The grace of the Lord Jesus be with ?1?all. Amen.

[2]

O Lord, come! translates maranatha, an Aramaic expression used by the early
Christians. If spaced "maran atha" it means "Our Lord has come," and if
spaced "marana tha" it means Our Lord, come! [3]

22:20 Revelation closes with a promise and a blessing. The promise is that
the Lord Jesus is coming quickly. As mentioned previously, this could mean
soon or suddenly. The hope of a sudden return would not excite the same
anticipation or watchfulness as the hope of a soon return. Every redeemed
person responds to the blessed hope, "Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!"

GENESIS <====> REVELATION

Creation of heavens and earth (Gen. 1:1).
Destruction of heavens and earth (Rev. 20:11b).

Creation of new heavens and new earth (Rev. 21:1).

Start of Satan's reign on earth (Gen. 3:1&ndash7).
Satan cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 20:10).

Entrance of sin (Gen. 3:1-7).
Sin banished (Rev. 21:27).

Pronouncing of the curse on creation (Gen. 3:1-7).
The curse removed (Rev. 22:3).

Right to tree of life forfeited (Gen 3:24b).
Access to tree of life restored (Rev. 22:2, 19 marg. )

Eviction of man from the Garden of Eden (Gen. 3:24a).
Man welcomed back to [Paradise] (Rev. 22:1-7)

Entrance of death into the world (Gen. 2:17; 5:5).
Death forever removed (Rev. 21:4).

Marriage of the first Adam (Gen. 4:1)
Marriage of the last Adam (Rev. 19:7).

Sorrow comes to mankind (Gen. 3:16)
Sorrow eliminated (Rev. 21:4).

22:21 And now we come to the final blessing of this wonderful book of
Revelation, and of the word of God. It is a peaceful close to a book filled
with the thunders of divine judgment.

John wishes for "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ to be with God's
people." There are three interesting variant readings in the manuscripts
here.

1. In the critical (NU) text John wishes Christ's grace to all-which hardly
fits Revelation's theme of impending wrath on the majority.

2. The traditional (TR, ?KJV?, ?NKJV?) reading is better. Christ's grace is
wished to "you all"-many of the hearers and readers of Revelation will be
true believers.

3. The best reading in light of the sharp contrasts between saints and
sinners in this book is found in the majority text and ?NKJV? margin: "The
grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all the saints. Amen."

[4]

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THE TREE OF LIFE

A Topical Study of

Revelation 22:2

It could rightly be said that the Bible is an account of three trees..

The Tree of Life

The Tree of Life was seen at the beginning of human history.

It will be seen again at the end of human history.

It was originally planted in the Garden of Eden.

It will be transplanted into the gardenlike city of the New Jerusalem.

Man chose not to eat of the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

Man will eat freely of the Tree of Life in the New Jerusalem.

The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil

Also introduced in the opening chapters of Genesis, the Tree of the
Knowledge of Good and Evil was the one tree of which Adam and Eve were not
to partake. When they disobeyed and ate of the forbidden tree, death and
damnation were the result.

The question arises as to why God would place a forbidden tree in the Garden
in the first place. I suggest the following reasons..

Choice. Because God is love, He wants a loving relationship with humanity.
But true love always demands a choice. Therefore, God said to Adam and Eve,
"Because I want to live with you in a love relationship, I will provide you
the opportunity to reject Me, to turn your back on Me. Eating from the Tree
of the Knowledge of Good and Evil will be a sign to you and to Me that you
don't want to maintain a loving relationship with Me." Simply put, without
the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, there would be no choice. And
without choice love is questionable.

Dependence. Before they ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil,
Adam and Eve knew only good, because any time they had a question, they went
directly to God for the answer. This is the way God created them-not because
He wanted to cripple man, but because He wanted to bless man. Yet when man
ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, he knew good and evil
apart from God. He no longer realized he needed a moment-by-moment reliance
on the Father. Thus, he became independent-cut off from all the resources
and blessings of his Creator.

The same thing happens to us. Even we who love the Lord are vulnerable to
saying, "I don't need to be in close communication with the Lord because
I've walked with Him for years. I know my Bible; I understand theology; I
have experience.

Such was recently the case with me. Feeling I had already heard the word of
the Lord regarding an upcoming decision, I was already moving in a certain
direction when the Lord stopped me dead in my tracks with the account found
in Genesis 22..

Surely you're not that kind of God, Abraham must have thought when he was
told to sacrifice his son Isaac on Mount Moriah. But knowing he had heard
the word of the Lord, Abraham did, indeed, lay Isaac on the altar and take
knife in hand, ready to plunge it into his son's chest.

Suddenly, "The angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven and said, Lay
not thine hand upon the lad." (see 22:11, 12).

Perhaps, like me, a number of you have heard the word of the Lord clearly in
a Bible study or prayer meeting, through corporate worship, or private
devotions. You wrote it in your journal and are now moving in a certain
direction in obedience to His word to you. But you must realize that what
the Lord wants from you is constant communion with Him. You see, if Abraham
hadn't heeded the second word of the Lord-if he had stubbornly sacrificed
his son in obedience to the first word of the Lord-he would have made a
bloody mess and a very grave mistake.

"Got the word. I'm on my way," we so often say, failing to realize it might
change the very next day. How many unnecessary grave mistakes I've made that
could have been avoided had I said, "Lord it's not enough to act on what You
spoke to me three days ago. I must hear from you constantly."

"But what if I've already made a grave mistake?" you ask.

Go to the third tree..

The Tree of Calvary

The Tree of Calvary covers my mistakes, washes away my arrogance, and
cleanses my sin. You see, after offering the sacrifice of His own body for
the bloody messes I have made, Jesus arose from the grave to obliterate the
grave mistakes I have made.

The word of the Lord for us today is this, precious people: On the path to
heaven, we must keep current with the Lord. We can't rely on what we heard
yesterday, last week, or a year ago. If you're not receiving what the Spirit
says to you today, like Abraham, you could end up making a big mistake.

Turn away from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil-from what you
think you know-and begin to feast on the Tree of Life by saying,

.. "Before I make my plans for the afternoon, what's Your agenda, Lord?"

.. "Lord, how do You want me to parent my five-year-old son today?"

.. "Lord, what do You want me to do about the situation at work this
morning?"

Let us who love the Bible be those who seek the Lord intimately even as we
take in knowledge intellectually. Because of the Tree of Calvary, when we
get to heaven, we won't see the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil-only
the Tree of Life, from which we will partake freely, enjoying the fruit that
will keep us in perfect health and total harmony with our King, our Savior,
our Lord Jesus.

But you don't have to wait until then, saint. Heaven can be in your heart
today if you'll choose to eat daily from the tree of His direction.

[5]

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1 Gr anathema

a Rom 9:3

2 I.e. O [our] Lord come!

b Phil 4:5; Rev 22:20

[1]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Co 16:22). LaHabra,
CA: The Lockman Foundation.

a Rev 1:2

b Rev 22:7

c 1 Cor 16:22

a Rom 16:20

1 One early ms reads the saints

[2]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Re 22:20-21). LaHabra,
CA: The Lockman Foundation.

[3]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary :
Old and New Testaments (1 Co 16:22). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

KJV King James Version

NKJV New King James Version

[4]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary :
Old and New Testaments (Re 22:20). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

[5]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (1799).
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Thanks.

Amen! <g>

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