Carbs on Atkins induction

"James C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On the list of vegetables I have for atkins it says to have up to 340g and
a big list of vegetables I can eat. But peppers is 4.8g of carbs per 100g
and celery is 0.9g of carbs per 100g.

How is it sensible to put the same vegetables on the same list and say I
can have Xg per day. Is it better to ignore this list and just count the
carbs myself?

well, if i am reading you right here you are asking why they are putting
higher carb veggies on the list with lower carb ones?

you can eat the higher carb veg just smaller amounts, obviously you can go
to town with the celery but take it easy on the peppers.

regardless of the list you are counting the carbs yourself, no? the list is
not what you MUST eat it's just a list of the lower carb veggies and the
carb counts. You have to determine how to figure these foods into your plan
if you wan tto eat them so knowing the carb count is important.

nanner said:

"James C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

On the list of vegetables I have for atkins it says to have up to 340g and
a big list of vegetables I can eat. But peppers is 4.8g of carbs per 100g
and celery is 0.9g of carbs per 100g.

I've never seen an Atkins list based on total weight of food. It's
always specified as the net carbs. And for good reason, the net carbs
varies significantly amoung foods, even vegetables. Whatever you're
looking at must be someone's interpretation of Atkins. I suggest
getting the book and reading it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How is it sensible to put the same vegetables on the same list and say I
can have Xg per day. Is it better to ignore this list and just count the
carbs myself?

well, if i am reading you right here you are asking why they are putting
higher carb veggies on the list with lower carb ones?

you can eat the higher carb veg just smaller amounts, obviously you can go
to town with the celery but take it easy on the peppers.

regardless of the list you are counting the carbs yourself, no? the list is
not what you MUST eat it's just a list of the lower carb veggies and the
carb counts. You have to determine how to figure these foods into your plan
if you wan tto eat them so knowing the carb count is important.

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nanner said:

"James C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

On the list of vegetables I have for atkins it says to have up to
340g and a big list of vegetables I can eat. But peppers is 4.8g of
carbs per 100g and celery is 0.9g of carbs per 100g.

I've never seen an Atkins list based on total weight of food. It's
always specified as the net carbs. And for good reason, the net carbs
varies significantly amoung foods, even vegetables. Whatever you're
looking at must be someone's interpretation of Atkins. I suggest
getting the book and reading it.

It's probably a European version. They don't measure by volume so directions
such as 2 cups of salad or 1 cup of low carb vegetables wouldn't mean
anything.

Jeri said:

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nanner said:

"James C." <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> On the list of vegetables I have for atkins it says to have up to
> 340g and a big list of vegetables I can eat. But peppers is 4.8g of
> carbs per 100g and celery is 0.9g of carbs per 100g.

I've never seen an Atkins list based on total weight of food. It's
always specified as the net carbs. And for good reason, the net carbs
varies significantly amoung foods, even vegetables. Whatever you're
looking at must be someone's interpretation of Atkins. I suggest
getting the book and reading it.

It's probably a European version. They don't measure by volume so
directions
such as 2 cups of salad or 1 cup of low carb vegetables wouldn't mean
anything.

Which is the way it should be. Who can really determine how many lettuce
leaves to stick into a cup?

--
Bob in CT

James C. said:

On the list of vegetables I have for atkins it says to have up to 340g and
a big list of vegetables I can eat. But peppers is 4.8g of carbs per 100g
and celery is 0.9g of carbs per 100g.

How is it sensible to put the same vegetables on the same list and say I
can have Xg per day. Is it better to ignore this list and just count the
carbs myself?

You're asking about degree of accuracy. The degree of accuracy
needed and expected is far lower than you want it to be. Consider
that you are new but you have started something that will last
until you decide to quit and gain it all back. Counting to trivial
little details isn't sustainable so it isn't expected even now when
you want to do it at that level.

The section on Induction has the low carb list that has veggies
near 10% carb content and the salad list that has veggies under
5% carb content. At that level total or net doesn't even matter
any more.

One easy way to count carbs is by the powers of 5 list. It tells
a simple way to count the carbs of "servings" of various carb
bearing foods. That's really as accurate as you need to be in
your carb count for the day.

If you're down for fractions of grams you are putting too much
effort in accuracy where accuracy isn't feasible. Chances are
there are enough foods out there that you aren't counting because
they are listed as zero that your count isn't nearly as accurate
as you hope. Eggs at 0.5 grams per? Round up to 1 or round
down to 0 works every bit as well as is that really 0.4 not 0.5 ...

Go ahead and count, but don't try for levels of accuracy that
aren't practical. Use these differences in numbers to understand
what the noise level is. Count to that noise level and don't
waste effort working inside the random variations inside the
noise level.

Atkins was American and the book was originally for Americans.
American cooking is done mostly by volume not weight. It
is easier but not as accurate. Yet Atkins works every bit as
well at that level of inaccuracy. Whoever translated it to weight
for a European audience greatly over-did the number of signiciant
digits in the numbers in the carb counts. On Atkins for servings
of veggies and fruits it works to round to the nearest 5 grams
and for incidentals like dairy it works to round up from under 1
to 1. That's all the accuracy that's needed and it's a level of
accuracy that can be sustained for a very long time.

Original Atkins in 1972 listed carb count that completely ignored
carbs from veggies on the salad list. They were so low they
weren't worth counting. Consider what that says about the
amount of accuracy needed to do Atkins correctly by controlling
your own ketosis. The 1972 count tends to be about 15 grams
lower at the start and the counts diverge from there by the
amount of fiber after that. Yet original 1972 Atkins worked fine.

Atkins in 1993 and 1999 didn't deduct fiber, yet it also worked
just as well as the current process with fiber deduction. The
deduction of fiber really introduces a significant error bar
(intestinal bacteria digest some percentage of soluble but not
insoluble fiber and we absorb some percentage of their efforts)
yet it worked fine.

So don't bother with that level of accuracy.