OT: Restaurant Takes On Kids Behaving Badly

Dave Bugg said:

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
ago or so.

-L.

-L noted:

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Dave Bugg said:

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
ago or so.

November 2005, in fact.

Bob

"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote

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-L noted:

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Dave Bugg said:

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
ago or so.

November 2005, in fact.

If it's what I think it is, they had a show on annoying stuff.
A John Stossel special, Enough!. There were a number of
topics on it. I didn't see it but I saw a promo.

nancy

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"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote

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-L noted:

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Dave Bugg wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
ago or so.

November 2005, in fact.

If it's what I think it is, they had a show on annoying stuff.
A John Stossel special, Enough!. There were a number of
topics on it. I didn't see it but I saw a promo.

nancy

With Stossel at the helm, I'm sure it was fascinating. Yawn....

Dave Bugg said:

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
unreasonable.
"Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from any
kid sharing restaurant space with me.

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Dave Smith said:

Dave Bugg said:

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
unreasonable.
"Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from
any kid sharing restaurant space with me.

I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.

Jill

Part of the problem is stupid parents who, after living with their kid for X
number of years, still do not see the kid's happy/cranky/hungry/I need a nap
or a diaper change cycles. So, they take them out at the worst times, and
the results are obvious.

-L. said:

Dave Bugg said:

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
ago or so.

-L.

john stossel is not what you'd call on top of things. i was waiting
for the right-wing rant that is usually his line of country.

your pal,
blake

Dave Smith said:

Dave Bugg said:

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
unreasonable.
"Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from
any kid sharing restaurant space with me.

I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.

Jill

"jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Dave Smith said:

Dave Bugg said:

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not
asking anything unreasonable.
"Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor
voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more
than I would expect from any kid sharing restaurant space
with me.

I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
the day.

you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
to find, at least where i live.
add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
lee

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Dave Smith said:

Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>

I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not
asking anything unreasonable.
"Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor
voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more
than I would expect from any kid sharing restaurant space
with me.

I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
the day.

you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
to find, at least where i live.
add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
lee

How old are you?

jmcquown said:

I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.

"Children nowadays are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble
their food and tyrannise their teachers." --Socrates

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enigma said:

"jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Dave Smith said:

Dave Bugg wrote:

>http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>

I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not
asking anything unreasonable.
"Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor
voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more
than I would expect from any kid sharing restaurant space
with me.

I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
the day.

you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.

Ditto. I was born in '62 and I remember witnessing plenty of tantrums
at the grocery store.

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also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
kids taken away now.

Last I read it was 11, at least for short periods - the length of a trip
to the grocery store (leaving an 11 year-old at home alone while you
honeymoon in Vegas will likely result in charges).

My husband and I just didn't go out much when our kids were still in the
little barbarian stage, and mostly did tag-team parenting to cover errands.

there aren't likely to be other SAH

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parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
to find, at least where i live.

Although I operate a specialty sewing business out of my home I was the
only quasi SAH mom for blocks around. I felt like getting a t-shirt
made up saying:

No, I don't want to
- Watch your kids
- Hem your pants
- Clean your house (WTF?!)

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add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
lee

Or even not autistic but still overwhelmed. Every time I see some poor
kid keel over screeching while waiting in line to check out at Walmart
or the grocery store I get empathy pangs... Those situations make me
feel like screaming, too.

In article <[email hidden]>,

-L. said:

Dave Bugg said:

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
ago or so.

I remember being on a date at a nice restaurant, once, where we sat next
to a table of 7 or 8 people. Several were children. I think it was
parents, grandparents and children. They were eating some kind of whole
fish which were maybe 6 to 8 inches long. LOL... I have no idea what
they were but the children had picked up the fish by the tails and were
running around the table laughing and yelling, holding the fish at arm's
length in front of them. The adults continued conversing as if nothing
was happening and as if all eyes in the restaurant were not fixed upon
them. Pretty funny...

JoeSpareBedroom said:

"enigma" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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"jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
the day.

you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
to find, at least where i live.
add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
lee

How old are you?

I think it has something to do with what era you were raised in. Like Jill,
I don't remember it happening. I know when our family (five kids) went out
to eat when I was growing up, we were not allowed to leave the table and be
running around the restaurant. No yelling or other obnoxious behavior. I
don't recall seeing other kids running around or yelling either.

An awful lot in society has changed since then, so it's not surprising what
has happened. For one thing, people eat out a whole lot more often than they
used to, and take their kids with them. It was relatively infrequent that we
went out to eat when we were growing up, and it was a special occassion when
we did. If it's a regular thing, it's harder for parents to have the
patience and for kids to behave. It's hard to be on your best behavior as a
kid all of the time.

For reference, I'm 53 years old. I'm sure things are so totally different
for someone in their 20s or 30s raising kids than it was for my parents.

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

"enigma" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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"jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
> the day.

you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
to find, at least where i live.
add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
lee

How old are you?

I think it has something to do with what era you were raised in. Like
Jill, I don't remember it happening. I know when our family (five kids)
went out to eat when I was growing up, we were not allowed to leave the
table and be running around the restaurant. No yelling or other obnoxious
behavior. I don't recall seeing other kids running around or yelling
either.

An awful lot in society has changed since then, so it's not surprising
what has happened. For one thing, people eat out a whole lot more often
than they used to, and take their kids with them. It was relatively
infrequent that we went out to eat when we were growing up, and it was a
special occassion when we did. If it's a regular thing, it's harder for
parents to have the patience and for kids to behave. It's hard to be on
your best behavior as a kid all of the time.

For reference, I'm 53 years old. I'm sure things are so totally different
for someone in their 20s or 30s raising kids than it was for my parents.

I'm 54. My parents took us out to all sorts of places, some of them pretty
fancy. We were told to look at how other people behaved. "When in Rome...",
in other words. I did the same with my son. The key with infants is to know
their daily routine, and don't take them out at times when they're most
likely to be discontented for whatever reason. When he was old enough to
talk, we just talked to him. It's not friggin' rocket science. Keep them
occupied. His worst routine (because it worked so well) was quietly catching
someone's eye and giving them a smile, seeing if he could make them smile,
or laugh. He was really good at working a crowd, but never noisy.

"Dave Bugg" <[email hidden]> news:[email hidden]:

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http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

I loved this excerpt- The father was in basic agreement with the
establishment's owner but put off by it at the same time.

""What I'm saying is that there are ways to approach this issue without
making parents feel uncomfortable, patronized, pushed away."

Pity.

Michael

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wff_ng_7 said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How old are you?

I think it has something to do with what era you were raised in. Like Jill,
I don't remember it happening. I know when our family (five kids) went out
to eat when I was growing up, we were not allowed to leave the table and be
running around the restaurant. No yelling or other obnoxious behavior. I
don't recall seeing other kids running around or yelling either.

An awful lot in society has changed since then, so it's not surprising what
has happened. For one thing, people eat out a whole lot more often than they
used to, and take their kids with them. It was relatively infrequent that we
went out to eat when we were growing up, and it was a special occassion when
we did. If it's a regular thing, it's harder for parents to have the
patience and for kids to behave. It's hard to be on your best behavior as a
kid all of the time.

For reference, I'm 53 years old. I'm sure things are so totally different
for someone in their 20s or 30s raising kids than it was for my parents.

I am 56. We weren't allowed to act up in public. If we did, we got
smacked.... in public.... and didn't get sympathy from other adults. So we
didn't act up because we knew we would get smacked up. When we got the
warning to stop something or we were going to get a spanking, we stopped
because we knew we would get the spanking and not another warning that we
would get a spanking.

Dave Smith said:

Dave Bugg said:

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
unreasonable.
"Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from any
kid sharing restaurant space with me.

The place is thriving, have been by there several times lately and
it's always full...

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Best
Greg

Emma Thackery said:

snip........ but the children had picked up the fish by the
tails and were running around the table laughing and yelling, holding
the fish at arm's length in front of them. The adults continued
conversing as if nothing was happening and as if all eyes in the
restaurant were not fixed upon them.

Ahhhhhh; you were in proximity to a gaggle of Oblivions.

--
"So long, so long, and thanks for all the fish!"
Dave
www.davebbq.com