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Re: Retinopathy Prevention

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  1. Tom:

    It's the usual "omega 3 looks good because it reduces inflammation in
    the short term" type of thing. Get the arachidonic acid out of your
    cells and then you don't have to worry about inflammation in the first
    place. For example:

    "A central role for inflammation in the pathogenesis of diabetic
    retinopathy."

    The FASEB Journal. 2004;18:1450-1452.

    http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/full/18/12/1450

  2. And don't think taking fish oil is safe, for example:

    QUOTE: "Over the past decade, Salomon's research has expanded to other
    diseases such as macular degenerative diseases that result in
    blindness and involve "brain lipids" that contain an omega-3 fatty
    acid that is abundant in fish oil. Brain lipids are very rare in the
    body, but are found in nerve cells and in the photoreceptor rod cells
    of the eye. Salomon and Clinic researchers suspected that the energy
    from light on the receptors might promote oxidation and damage.
    Through mass spectroscopy studies, they have begun to see protein
    modifications that are similar to those in heart disease." UNQUOTE.

    Source: http://www.cwru.edu/pubaff/univcomm/2002/june/cholesterol.htm

  3. Quoted message said:

    And don't think taking fish oil is safe, for example:

    QUOTE: "Over the past decade, Salomon's research has expanded to other
    diseases such as macular degenerative diseases that result in
    blindness and involve "brain lipids" that contain an omega-3 fatty
    acid that is abundant in fish oil. Brain lipids are very rare in the
    body, but are found in nerve cells and in the photoreceptor rod cells
    of the eye. Salomon and Clinic researchers suspected that the energy
    from light on the receptors might promote oxidation and damage.
    Through mass spectroscopy studies, they have begun to see protein
    modifications that are similar to those in heart disease." UNQUOTE.

    Source:http://www.cwru.edu/pubaff/univcomm/2002/june/cholesterol.htm

    So fish oil is a scam too? I should not buy a new bottle after
    finishing this one?

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    On Jul 1, 11:39 pm, Ice Man <[email hidden]> wrote:So fish oil is a scam too? I should not buy a new bottle after


    finishing this one? <<

    It is a matter of weighing the evidence ..

    There is evidence fish oil is .. good ..

    There is evidence fish oil is .. bad ..

    It is the .. terrain .. the fish oil is spread INTO .. IE: the human
    body.

    The fish oil you take IF .. the body was in good condition .. would
    probably not manifest itself as .. adverse .. for quite some time ..

    When the body is in a state of .. dysfunction .. and the fish oil is
    introduced .. means the fish oil has NOW been spread INTO .. a ..
    terrain / human body .. which is NOW .. **unprepared** FOR this ..
    influx of .. **oxidation causing** .. oil / fish oil.

    There is a theory of imbalance of antioxidants in the body. IE- Linus
    Pauling and his 18 grams of vitamin C / day.
    The body is in a constant state of oxidation and antioxidation.
    Antioxidants quench the oxidation.

    IF the body has LOW .. antioxidants .. and one INTRODUCES a
    substance .. such as fish oil .. WHICH .. **increases** oxidation ..
    then you will deplete what little antioxidants you DO have PLUS will
    be unable to **control** / quench / the free radicals / oxidation of
    which the fish oil CAUSES an increase.

    Soooo .. fish oil .. according to .. evidence .. IE: **increased**
    oxidation .. would be bad ..

    But .. what .. choice do you have .. ?

    Because it seems .. plant oils don't fare much better.

    Evidence shows when plant oils are spread in this same terrain .. they
    TOO are oxidized at a high rate .. DUE TO .. ? .. the IRON .. present
    in copious .. amounts ..

    Sooo .. one could weigh the .. evidence ..

    Iron oxidizes and depletes .. antioxidants .. and a depletion of
    antioxidants causes a lack of **ability** to quench oxidation ..
    So when oxidizing oil is introduced the .. antioxidant POTENTIAL /
    antioxidant stores .. go **down** even more ..

    When a plant oil is introduced INTO a .. terrain .. which is depleted
    in antioxidants .. it seems they TOO become .. a .. problem.

    So .. being that iron reduction is NOW being tested IN diabetes .. one
    might suspect .. the removal of this increased oxidation / iron ..
    might NOW cause .. one: fish oil to work .. or two: might allow plant
    oils to work.

    But the .. key .. ? .. is the removal of the increased oxidation ..
    BEFORE .. the liberal sprinkling of .. oils .. INTO the .. terrain /
    human body.

    That would be using .. science.

    Who loves ya.
    Tom

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And don't think taking fish oil is safe, for example:

    Quoted message said:

    QUOTE: "Over the past decade, Salomon's research has expanded to other
    diseases such as macular degenerative diseases that result in
    blindness and involve "brain lipids" that contain an omega-3 fatty
    acid that is abundant in fish oil. Brain lipids are very rare in the
    body, but are found in nerve cells and in the photoreceptor rod cells
    of the eye. Salomon and Clinic researchers suspected that the energy
    from light on the receptors might promote oxidation and damage.
    Through mass spectroscopy studies, they have begun to see protein
    modifications that are similar to those in heart disease." UNQUOTE.

    Quoted message said:

    Source:http://www.cwru.edu/pubaff/univcomm/2002/june/cholesterol.htm

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