Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

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Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the
best source of protein?

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Soy makes me fart.
Whey doesn't.

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Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! Strength crushes enemies! SOY!

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Is protein all the same?

No. Soy is inferior to whey in almsot every respect.

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Is protein all the same?

"No. Soy is inferior to whey in almsot every respect."

Then you didn't read the article, the proper comparison is not protein
to protein but isolate to isolate of the protein products. They are
different but "better" depends on what measure of what one uses for what
goal. He goes into considerable detail on the topic.

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Is protein all the same?

"No. Soy is inferior to whey in almsot every respect."

Then you didn't read the article,

I dont have to. I know more about the topic than the author ever will and
have written and published more on the topic than the author ever will.

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the proper comparison is not protein
to protein but isolate to isolate of the protein products.

That makes no sense and exposes the ignorance of the person who said it (you?).

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They are
different but "better" depends on what measure of what one uses for what
goal.

Pretty much any goal you can name, whey is superior, unless your goal is
to get phyto estrogens into your diet, which is fine, if that's what you
want. I am not an anti soy zealot but facts is facts.

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He goes into considerable detail on the topic.

Most of which are all wrong ad it's clear the author sells soy.

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Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

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Quoted message said:

Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the
best source of protein?

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat proteins from
real whole foods, not processed and refined (denatured) proteins.

And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally eaten as a
fermented condiment. That is fermented and in small amounts for
flavoring. Without fermentation you will be exposed to excessive
amounts of phyto-toxins and phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low-
grade poison.

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Tunderbar said:

Quoted message said:

Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the
best source of protein?

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat proteins from
real whole foods, not processed and refined (denatured) proteins.

And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally eaten as a
fermented condiment. That is fermented and in small amounts for
flavoring. Without fermentation you will be exposed to excessive
amounts of phyto-toxins and phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low-
grade poison.

Ok, I'll agree with that one.

Same goes for unfermented dairy products (except for whey protein
isolates).

IMHO cottage cheese, yogurt and hard cheeses are better for you than
even raw milk.

Sorry, no sites to prove that. Just comes from many years of experience
for what agrees with most people's digestive systems.

Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-)
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"Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-)

I tried, several times over the years, to take "probiotic" capsules and
all they ever did was give me an upset stomach, but lately I've been
getting some live, ethnic-type yogurt almost every day and I like it. I
couldn't quantify what it's done for me except that I feel better - a
bit more energy, a bit less sleepy in the evenings, and I think a bit
less hungry overall as well.

This is the stuff I have mostly:

http://www.amazon.com/Fage-Total-Plain-Yoghurt-18/dp/B00032K91A

although we just buy it in the store, not through amazon.com - either
that or some Greek yogurt from Trader Joe's. The former tastes great
with maple syrup added, and in the latter honey and walnuts, which is
the way we had it when we were in Greece.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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Steve Freides said:

"Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-)

I tried, several times over the years, to take "probiotic" capsules and
all they ever did was give me an upset stomach, but lately I've been
getting some live, ethnic-type yogurt almost every day and I like it. I
couldn't quantify what it's done for me except that I feel better - a
bit more energy, a bit less sleepy in the evenings, and I think a bit
less hungry overall as well.

The fascinating thing about humans is how everybody's body chemistry
varies. I'm glad you found something that worked for you.

Me?

I just take PB-8 and skip the Lactose sugars in most dairy products.
Granted, I adore cheese, but I use it in limited quantities:

http://www.sweetmedicineessentials.com/product/216553

I can get it at more than one local health food store and I can't help
but think that a balanced mix of probiotic critters is better than just
Lactobacillus acidophilus.

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This is the stuff I have mostly:

http://www.amazon.com/Fage-Total-Plain-Yoghurt-18/dp/B00032K91A

Looks good, but I've never seen it here.

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although we just buy it in the store, not through amazon.com - either
that or some Greek yogurt from Trader Joe's. The former tastes great
with maple syrup added, and in the latter honey and walnuts, which is
the way we had it when we were in Greece.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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Tunderbar said:

Quoted message said:

Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the
best source of protein?

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat proteins from
real whole foods, not processed and refined (denatured) proteins.

And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally eaten as a
fermented condiment. That is fermented and in small amounts for
flavoring. Without fermentation you will be exposed to excessive
amounts of phyto-toxins and phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low-
grade poison.

I hate it when this stuff gets cross-posted from
sci.med.natural-food-dingbats.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Steve Freides said:

"Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-)

I tried, several times over the years, to take "probiotic" capsules
and
all they ever did was give me an upset stomach, but lately I've been
getting some live, ethnic-type yogurt almost every day and I like it.
I
couldn't quantify what it's done for me except that I feel better - a
bit more energy, a bit less sleepy in the evenings, and I think a bit
less hungry overall as well.

The fascinating thing about humans is how everybody's body chemistry
varies. I'm glad you found something that worked for you.

Me?

I just take PB-8 and skip the Lactose sugars in most dairy products.

I may well be addicated to dairy products. 🙂 I'm fond of eating fresh
mozarella cheese all by itself - who needs the bread and tomatoe sauce,
anyway?

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Granted, I adore cheese, but I use it in limited quantities:

http://www.sweetmedicineessentials.com/product/216553

I can get it at more than one local health food store and I can't help
but think that a balanced mix of probiotic critters is better than
just
Lactobacillus acidophilus.

-snip-

I guess the question is whether a mix from a pill is better than
whatever's in some real food. My "solution" is to keep trying different
brands of yogurts. I think, these days, at least some manufacturers
attempt to get a few different good bugs running around in their
yogurts. Kefir seems to get good press - will have to try some of that
sometime soon.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

JMW said:

Tunderbar said:

Quoted message said:

Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the
best source of protein?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Quoted message said:

Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat proteins from
real whole foods, not processed and refined (denatured) proteins.

Quoted message said:

And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally eaten as a
fermented condiment. That is fermented and in small amounts for
flavoring. Without fermentation you will be exposed to excessive
amounts of phyto-toxins and phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low-
grade poison.

I hate it when this stuff gets cross-posted from
sci.med.natural-food-dingbats.- Hide quoted text -

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How about from common-sense.nutrition ?

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Tunderbar said:

Quoted message said:

Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is
the
best source of protein?

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat proteins from
real whole foods, not processed and refined (denatured) proteins.

And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally eaten as a
fermented condiment. That is fermented and in small amounts for
flavoring. Without fermentation you will be exposed to excessive
amounts of phyto-toxins and phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low-
grade poison.

I hate it when this stuff gets cross-posted from
sci.med.natural-food-dingbats.

I hadn't even noticed - I thought it was just us mfw'ers. In the
interest of mfw-relevant content, my workout today. Brief background -
focus of this cycle and the few before and after is better performance
at the 32 kg kettlebell [censored]. M/W/F, that's what I do, but since
today is Thursday, it was "whatever I'm in the mood for" day. Here you
go:

32 kg: one-arm (of course) military press, 5 sets of 2 each side

32 kg: windmill, 1 set of 3 each side

Superset: bw + 24 kg: pullup to touch throat, 3 reps - with - bw + 16
kg: pistol, 3 each side

Superset: same as above but 5 reps instead of 3.

And there you have it. Equipment: one each 16, 24, and 32 kg
kettlebells. Pullup bar was an Oly bar bungeed to the top of my power
rack - thicker so a bit better grip training. Age: 52 years, bodyweight
this morning: 69.5 kg.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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Tunderbar said:

Quoted message said:

Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the
best source of protein?

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.

There is no 'ideal' protein

Quoted message said:

Eat proteins from
real whole foods, not processed and refined (denatured) proteins.

Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers some benefits that
can't be had with other proteins. Do I need to keep repeating that over
and over?

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

Tom Anderson said:

Quoted message said:

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! Strength crushes enemies! SOY!

tom

Soy slows down your thyroid.

http://thyroid.about.com/b/a/073380.htm

soy makes you gay
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tunderbar said:

Quoted message said:

Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the
best source of protein?

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
There is no 'ideal' protein

Quoted message said:

Eat proteins from
real whole foods, not processed and refined (denatured) proteins.

Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers some benefits that
can't be had with other proteins. Do I need to keep repeating that over
and over?

Soy makes people gay

http://www.the7thfire.com/health_and_nutrition/manhood.html
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

soy also contains phytoestrogens and high levels of phytic acid.
Phytic acid will prevent minerals from being absorbed. Please don't
eat soy. Unless it is fermented. And even then only in small amounts.

On May 17, 3:43 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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Tom Anderson said:

On Thu, 17 May 2007, [email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

Quoted message said:

SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! Strength crushes enemies! SOY!

Quoted message said:

tom

Soy slows down your thyroid.

http://thyroid.about.com/b/a/073380.htm

soy makes you gayhttp://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

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Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the
best source of protein?

It's a complicated issue because there are several essential amino
acids (EAA) which occur in different ratios in protein sources.

It may pay to have a mixture of proteins to get a better EAA balance.

See http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/MEETING/004/M2835E/M2835E00.HTM

--
Ron

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(Will Brink) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tunderbar said:

Quoted message said:

Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What is the
best source of protein?

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.

There is no 'ideal' protein

I dunno. I consider a good, thick "Q'ed" t-bone of local angus beef darn
near ideal.

:^)

--
Keith