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  1. Venous stasis is when the blood .. therefore oxygen .. cannot
    'reach' .. areas of the body .. either through .. stoppage .. or
    inability to .. force its' way .. through .. the tiny little tubes
    that are the blood flowing 'aqueducts' / piping.

    The blood flowing aqueducts / piping consist of four different sizes
    of pipe .. large , big , medium , small.

    Milkshake cannot flow through .. small.

    Therefore the 'thicker' / more syrupy / sludge like .. the blood ..
    the less .. the blood is able to perfuse / reach .. therefore .. lack
    of oxygen therefore .. gangrene .. or hypoxia .. AT .. the POINT .. of
    blood flow stoppage.

    Hence the appearance of hemosiderin / iron FROM destroyed red blood
    cells / hemolysis .. AT the .. point .. OF .. lack of blood flow /
    venous stasis.

    Red blood cells are destroyed WHEN .. blood stoppage happens.

    <<snip>>
    Hemosiderin staining is caused by the degradation of red blood cells
    within the interstitial spaces in the epidermis and dermis. The skin
    takes on a grayish brown color caused by the deposition of the iron-
    containing pigment.
    <<snip>>

    Venous stasis can be caused BY **increased** red blood cells
    PRODUCTION / erythrocytosis.

    Erythrocytosis causes hyperviscosity / thick .. syrupy like .. blood.

    Low-iron diet treats erythrocytosis.

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/548009_1

    'It Hurts When I Walk:' Venous Stasis Disease - Differential Diagnosis
    and Treatment
    Posted 02/07/2007

    Cynthia A. Worley, BSN, RN, COCN, CWCN

    Author Information
    Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what
    makes life meaningful." - Joshua J. Marine

    Introduction
    I am in the process of redecorating my master bedroom and decided to
    make a new duvet cover for the comforter. The only area in the house
    large enough for cutting fabric is on the living room floor. Needless
    to say, I've been crawling around on the floor a lot lately. And,
    consequently, I've been taking a lot of over-the-counter pain
    relievers as a result. I don't think I have arthritis or joint disease
    (although I am of a certain age when one begins to think in those
    terms and wonder "am I getting too old for some of the activities I
    engage in?"😉. The pain associated with venous stasis disease is much
    worse than ordinary musculoskeletal discomfort. Imagine that every
    step you take feels like someone is driving a nail through your leg
    and then connecting that nail to an electrical outlet so that the pain
    travels up and down your leg. This type of pain is not relieved by
    Advil®!

    Chronic venous insufficiency is related to more than 70% of lower-
    extremity ulcers and it is estimated that up to 1 million people in
    the United States are affected by the disease. Approximately 3.5% of
    the population 65 years of age and older are affected by chronic
    venous insufficiency and 2 million workdays are lost annually
    (Falanga, 1997; Rudolph, 1998). Patients experience increased stress,
    pain, decreased quality of life, and difficulty in coping with the
    symptoms and manifestations of the disease. In addition to the
    psychosocial problems caused by venous leg ulcers, the financial costs
    can be significant. Venous disease cannot be controlled without
    certain permanent lifestyle changes. Notice, I said controlled not
    cured.

    Introduction
    Some wound care professionals believe that patients with chronic
    venous insufficiency and venous stasis ulcers are the most difficult
    patients to treat because there is a significant lifestyle factor
    involved in the etiology of the problem. We know that venous leg
    ulcers are associated with pain and a decreased quality of life
    (Phillips, Stanton, Provan, & Lew, 1994) and the incidence of
    recurrence through improper diagnosis is high (Erikson et al., 1995).
    So, in this article, diagnosis and treatment will be discussed.

    Because venous, arterial, neuropathic, and mixed-etiology ulcers have
    many characteristics in common, it is important to perform a thorough
    assessment along with a history and physical in order to gather all
    the information required to make an accurate determination. There are
    several distinguishing characteristics of venous ulceration that will
    separate its diagnosis apart from other lower-extremity ulcerations.
    To further "cloud" the diagnosis is the fact that up to 26% of
    patients with venous disease also have arterial insufficiency as well
    (Nelzen, Bergqvist, & Lindhagen, 1997).

    Differential Diagnosis
    One of the initial signs of venous disease is venous congestion and
    dilation of the saphenous vein along the medial area of the calf.
    Pitting edema in the ankle area toward the end of the day is another
    differentiating characteristic. Skin color changes also assist in
    ruling out other types of insufficiency ulcers. The texture of the
    skin will also change over time in the patient with untreated or
    poorly controlled venous stasis disease.

    Hemosiderin staining is caused by the degradation of red blood cells
    within the interstitial spaces in the epidermis and dermis. The skin
    takes on a grayish brown color caused by the deposition of the iron-
    containing pigment. Venous dermatitis usually indicates longstanding
    disease and is characterized by erythema and scaling. Large quantities
    of exudates cause skin maceration and small breaks in skin integrity.
    Absorption of topically applied substances leads to sensitization and
    increases risk for allergic reaction or contact dermatitis in this
    population. Atrophic blanche is another potential finding from the
    assessment and is characterized by a white, avascular, sclerotic area.
    Lipodermatosclerosis is the term used to describe the indurated, waxy,
    and fibrotic texture of the skin in the "gaiter" area. Pulses in the
    feet and ankle are not considered diagnostic of venous stasis disease.
    The lower extremity has an inverted "champagne bottle" appearance.
    Table 1 provides an outline of the major characteristics of venous
    stasis ulcers.

    Diagnostic Evaluation
    Although the characteristics of the ulcer may lead the wound care
    professional to diagnose chronic venous stasis disease, it is prudent
    to perform diagnostic testing to confirm the suspected condition.
    Ankle-Brachial Index, Doppler ultrasonography, tourniquet testing,
    photoplethysmography (using a transducer and infrared light source),
    venography, and duplex imaging are all accepted methods of determining
    a differential diagnosis. It should be understood, however, that each
    of these methods are used to determine the particular components of
    the vascular system involved in the disease process and the specific
    pathology. For example, tourniquet testing is used to identify
    valvular incompetence in the superficial venous system. The Ankle-
    Brachial Index (ABI) is determined by dividing the ankle systolic
    pressure by the brachial systolic pressure (ABI of 0.7-0.9 generally
    correlates with adequate perfusion; results below this benchmark
    indicate arterial disease). Doppler ultrasound is used to verify if
    pulses are present if the edema present prevents accurate palpation of
    those pulses. Photoplethysmography is used to provide a measure of
    venous filling times and venous reflux. Venography is used prior to
    surgery to provide details of the venous system. Duplex imaging is the
    standard diagnostic tool for assessing venous disease. It is a highly
    sensitive testing method used to determine not only the viability of
    the anatomy involved but also the hemodynamic function of all three
    venous systems.

    Management of the Patient with Venous Ulcers
    Obviously, the first priority in management is to address the
    underlying etiology of the condition. Restoring adequate venous return
    reduces venous hypertension, thereby controlling edema and increasing
    velocity of blood flow. This, in turn, decreases WBC margination and
    extravasation into the surrounding tissues. Surgical and nonsurgical
    strategies for correction of venous flow may include surgical
    obliteration or ligation of the affected veins, valvular repair,
    compression therapy, elevation and pharmacologic therapy.

    Surgical management may be the treatment of choice if the ulcers are
    resistant to more conservative therapies or if venous obstruction is
    present. In the presence of primary superficial disease, vein ligation
    or stripping may minimize venous congestion and hypertension. Valvular
    procedures are used to correct deep vein pathology.

    Compression therapy is the application of externally applied pressure
    as a means of facilitating normal venous flow and has long been
    considered a cornerstone of treatment and prevention of recurrence of
    ulceration. The critical factor in the success of compression therapy
    is patient compliance. Compression increases interstitial tissue
    pressure, opposing extravasation of blood and fluid into surrounding
    tissues, and also supports reabsorption of extravasated fluids. Com
    pression also increases fibrinolytic activity and possibly also
    inhibits platelet aggregation, which contributes to the management of
    lipodermatosclerosis. The amount of compression is dependent upon the
    severity of the disease and venous hypertension and the pressure must
    be applied in a gradient fashion; the highest pressure is delivered to
    the ankle, with the gradual lessening as the pressure approaches the
    knee. Unna's boots, multiple layer compression bandages, sequential
    compression boots (pneumatic devices), and other short and long-
    stretch bandages can all be used to manage the patient's venous ulcer
    during healing.

    Elevation, along with compression therapy, contributes to the
    reduction of edema. Patients should be encouraged to elevate the feet
    above the thighs while sitting and above the level of the heart when
    lying down to encourage venous return.

    Pharmacologic agents have been studied for their supposed ability to
    reduce edema, enhance fibrinolysis, and promote anti-coagulation. To
    date, their efficacy in treating venous hypertension has not been
    demonstrated. Only hemorrheologic agents have shown any benefit as
    they decrease blood viscosity and WBC adhesion while increasing
    fibrinolysis (pentoxifylline [Trental®]). Aspirin, heparin, ifetroban,
    and prostaglandin E1 have been studied for a potential role in healing
    of venous ulcers but have yet to demonstrate efficacy. Topical growth
    factors have not shown benefit in treating venous ulcerations.

    Summary
    Venous stasis disease represents 70% to 90% of lower-extremity ulcers
    treated. Venous hypertension brought about by inadequate venous return
    and defective valvular systems is the main culprit. Positive outcomes
    in patient care can be achieved by an ongoing partnership between the
    health care provider and the patient to control the disease and its
    effects. Appropriate assessment and management require a long-term
    commitment by a multidisciplinary team to encourage and enhance
    patient compliance and to prevent recurrence.

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  2. "ironjustice" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Venous stasis is when the blood .. therefore oxygen .. cannot
    'reach' .. areas of the body .. either through .. stoppage .. or
    inability to .. force its' way .. through .. the tiny little tubes
    that are the blood flowing 'aqueducts' / piping.

    For new people that have not read the postings of Ironjustice,,,,,,
    EVERYthing can be tied back to our bodies problems with too much iron in our
    system in his/her world.... It takes more than a pinch of salt to buy into
    his/her thinking.
    His/her posting is compulsive and no comments or facts against what he
    posts will change his actions or thinking and is a complete waste of
    time of everyone reading this. Travel at your own risk.

    Harv

  3. This article specifically speaks to the .. micro**circulation** .. and
    HOW it .. **pertains** and WHEN treated .. properly .. results IN ..

    "The total effective rate was up to 97.92%, cure rate up to 68.75%,
    without toxicity and side effects."

    <<snip>>
    obstruction of microcirculation, particularly in speeding up the blood
    flowing
    <<snip>>

    Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi. 1991 Jul;11(7):411-2, 389-90. Links
    [Clinical and experimental study on shenghong kangyan su in treating
    144 cases of pelvic inflammation with blood stasis syndrome][Article
    in Chinese]
    Fang LY, Lin SS.
    Fuzhou No. 1 Hospital, Fuzhou Institute of Medical Science.

    Using the method of clearing up heat and resolving stasis, the authors
    treated 144 cases of pelvic inflammation with blood stasis syndrome
    (BSS) with Shenghong Kangyan Su. The total effective rate was up to
    97.92%, cure rate up to 68.75%, without toxicity and side effects.
    Clinical and experimental study showed that the crux of pelvic
    inflammation with BSS had some relations with microcirculation
    obstruction. Inflammation may cause microcirculation obstruction and
    blood stasis, and is one forms of BSS. Therefore dull purple-tongue,
    undertongue vein dilated, abdominal pain in lower-part, pathologic
    mass can be regarded as the basis of diagnosis of pelvic inflammation
    with BSS The drug of clearing heat and resolving status has the
    functions of anti-inflammation, anti-pain, diminishing the obstruction
    of microcirculation, particularly in speeding up the blood flowing,
    lowering the aggregation of erythrocyte, P less than 0.001.

    PMID: 1914037 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    This article .. SPECIFICALLY .. shows .. **stasis** / lack of blood ..
    flow .. f-l-o-w .. CAUSING .. bone necrosis / atrophy ..

    <<snip>>
    circulatory disturbances results in bone atrophy and the aggravation
    of clinical symptoms including intensified pain.
    <<snip>>

    Nippon Seikeigeka Gakkai Zasshi. 1989 Sep;63(9):1029-39. Links
    [Studies on the blood circulation at the proximal site of the tibia in
    rheumatoid arthritis][Article in Japanese]
    Takahashi S.
    Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Tohoku University School of
    Medicine, Sendai, Japan.

    It has not been well studied the blood flow of the bone of patients
    with rheumatoid arthritis. For this reason, the author of this report
    studied the circulatory state of the venous system at the proximal
    portion of 28 tibiae from 22 patients with rheumatoid arthritis and
    one from a healthy male as a control. In this study, we tried to
    correlate the clinical symptoms with local destruction of the joint
    and the bone atrophy. We injected 1 ml of saline into the medullary
    cavity through the cortical bone, then measured the time required for
    the back-flow of 5 drops-leakage of bone marrow blood. In addition
    oxygen pressure and carbon dioxide gas pressure of the marrow blood
    were evaluated, phlebography was also taken. Delayed venous
    circulation shown on the phlebogram tended to coincide with high rates
    of back-flow. When the venous circulation surrounding and within the
    bone marrow was fair, many of our patients were found to have mild
    pain associated with gradual degeneration and moderate atrophy of the
    bone. On the other hand, when the venous circulation of the above area
    showed stasis, most of our patients were found to have progressive
    destruction and atrophy of the bone. This study has concluded that
    inflammation and swelling of the synovial membrane produces
    circulatory disturbances in and out of the joint. These disturbances
    result in bone atrophy and the aggravation of clinical symptoms
    including intensified pain.

    PMID: 2511262 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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  4. It seems .. hydroxyurea .. a red cell **reducer** / remover .. and
    methotrexate .. ANOTHER red cell .. reducer / remover .. have been
    used for quite some .. time.

    Do you think .. reducing / removing .. red cells may be ..
    involved .. ?

    Nahh ..

    Arch Dermatol. 1974 Jul;110(1):70-2. Links
    Effects of methotrexate and hydroxyurea on psoriatic epidermis.
    Preferential cytotoxic effects on psoriatic epidermis.Smith C, Gelfant
    S.
    PMID: 4418706 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    Arch Dermatol. 1973 Mar;107(3):369-70. Links
    Combined methotrexate and hydroxyurea therapy for psoriasis.Sauer GC.
    PMID: 4692125 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    I wonder if anyone recommends .. red blood cell reduction FOR ..
    arthritis .. ?

    <<snip>>
    complete remission
    <<snip>>

    Rheumatology (Oxford). 2003 Dec;42(12):1550-5. Epub 2003 Jun 27.
    Links
    Near-iron deficiency-induced remission of gouty arthritis.Facchini FS.
    Department of Medicine, San Francisco General Hospital and University
    of California San Francisco, 94143, USA. [email hidden]

    OBJECTIVES: Previous evidence supports a role for iron in the
    pathogenesis of gout. For example, iron, when added to media
    containing urate crystals, stimulated oxidative stress with subsequent
    complement and neutrophil activation. Conversely, iron removal
    inhibited these responses as well as urate-crystal-induced foot pad
    inflammation in rats in-vivo. The objective of the present study was
    to investigate whether or not iron removal may improve the outcome of
    gouty arthritis in humans as well. METHODS: Quantitative phlebotomy
    was used to remove iron in 12 hyperuricaemic patients with gouty
    arthritis and maintain their body iron at near-iron deficiency (NID)
    level (i.e. the lowest body iron store compatible with normal
    erythropoiesis and therefore absence of anaemia). RESULTS: During
    maintenance of NID for 28 months, gouty attacks markedly diminished in
    every patient, from a cumulative amount of 48 and 53 attacks per year
    before (year -2, -1), to 32, 11 and 7 during induction (year 0) and
    maintenance (year +1, +2) of NID, respectively. During NID, attacks
    were also more often of milder severity. CONCLUSIONS: During a 28-
    month follow-up, maintenance of NID was found to be safe and
    beneficial in all patients, with effects ranging from a complete
    remission to a marked reduction of incidence and severity of gouty
    attacks.

    PMID: 12832712 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 9, 9:18 am, "california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote:


    HEY! numbnutz, why did you remove the following notice from your
    post?<<

    Glad you are still able to read .. there .. chief .. after ALL the
    years of masturbation ..

    You see .. people .. caring .. people .. SEND me .. stuff ..

    I place .. stuff ..

    You don't like my .. stuff .. other .. peoples' .. stuff .. ?

    You would like to .. report .. people .. FOR .. placing .. medical ..
    stuff .. ?

    You .. like .. people who .. WITHHOLD .. medical .. stuff .. ?

    Like liver toxicity studies of .. methotrexate .. ?

    Describe that .. feeling ..

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  6. So .. theoretically this meal should ALSO cause an .. aggravation of
    symptoms / pain .. in .. arthritis.

    <<snip>>
    triglyceride levels jumped from 140 milligrams per deciliter of
    blood (mg/dL) after the high-fat meal, but only 10 mg/dL after the low-
    fat
    meal.
    <<snip>>

    Blood Flow to Heart Hampered After High-Fat Meal
    Mon Apr 1, 5:54 PM ET

    NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - While a lifetime of fatty meals can lead
    to a heart
    attack, a study released Monday suggests that chowing down on just one
    high-fat
    meal can interfere with blood flow to the heart in healthy young men.

    In the study, 15 healthy men in their 20s or early 30s consumed a
    shake
    containing a whopping 1,200 calories and 100 grams of fat--roughly
    the
    equivalent of eating a fast-food meal plus dessert. All of the men
    underwent a
    heart test and had blood samples taken before and after consuming the
    liquid
    meal.

    The researchers, led by Dr. Takeshi Hozuml of Osaka City University in
    Japan,
    found that 5 hours after the high-fat meal, the ability of heart
    arteries to
    expand and increase blood flow to the muscle--a measure known as
    coronary flow
    reserve--dropped by 18%.

    In addition, five men underwent the same tests after consuming a low-
    fat 1,200
    calorie meal that contained only 10 grams of fat. In that case, the
    men did not
    have a drop in coronary flow reserve after consuming the meal,
    according to the
    report in the April issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine.

    The findings suggest that coronary microcirculation--the tiny blood
    vessels
    that provide oxygen-rich blood to heart muscle--can be impaired by a
    high-fat
    meal. Although the study did not include people with heart disease,
    the results
    could explain why those with heart disease-related chest pain, known
    as angina
    (news - web sites), can have increased pain after a high-fat meal. The
    pain of
    angina is thought to be due to a reduction in blood flow to the
    heart.

    The heart, the body's blood pumping organ, requires its own blood
    supply to
    function properly. Coronary arteries are the main blood vessels that
    supply the
    blood to the heart, and if a blockage occurs the surrounding vessels
    compensate
    by expanding in size to keep the proper amount of blood flowing to the
    heart.

    Doctors have know that a high-fat meals, which increase the amount of
    fatty
    substances in the blood such as triglycerides, can over time lead to
    artery
    clogging and eventually heart attacks. In the new study, the
    investigators
    found that triglyceride levels jumped from 140 milligrams per
    deciliter of
    blood (mg/dL) after the high-fat meal, but only 10 mg/dL after the low-
    fat
    meal.

    While the researchers were not able to determine if the increase in
    triglyceride levels was responsible for the decrease in the heart's
    blood flow
    reserve, the authors say the findings suggest implications for
    patients with
    heart disease.

    SOURCE: Annals of Internal Medicine 2002;136:523-528.

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  7. numbnutz said:

    'It Hurts When I Walk:' Venous Stasis Disease - Differential Diagnosis
    and Treatment
    Posted 02/07/2007
    Cynthia A. Worley, BSN, RN, COCN, CWCN

    HEY! numbnutz, why did you remove the following notice from your post?

    All material on this website is protected by copyright, Copyright ©
    1994-2007
    by Medscape. This website also contains material copyrighted by 3rd parties.

  8. In 1981, Lucas found a fat-free diet produced complete remission in 6
    patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Remission was lost within 24-72
    hours of eating a high-fat meal, such as one containing chicken,
    cheese, safflower oil, beef, or coconut oil. The authors concluded,
    "...dietary fats in amounts normally eaten in the American diet cause
    the inflammatory joint changes seen in rheumatoid arthritis." (Clin
    Res 29:754, 1981).

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  9. ironjustice said:

    In 1981, Lucas found a fat-free diet produced complete remission in 6
    patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Remission was lost within 24-72
    hours of eating a high-fat meal, such as one containing chicken,
    cheese, safflower oil, beef, or coconut oil. The authors concluded,
    "...dietary fats in amounts normally eaten in the American diet cause
    the inflammatory joint changes seen in rheumatoid arthritis." (Clin
    Res 29:754, 1981).

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    Arthritis should therefore be .. aggravated / pain intensified .. when
    one goes to .. altitude .. because altitude increases erythropoiesis /
    red blood cell production .. and therefore increases .. viscosity ..
    the same as a .. high-fat meal.

    Sooo .. one can assume .. going to altitude AND eating a high-fat
    meal .. WHEN you .. get there .. just may be .. painful.

    That is theory .. though ..

    Should we check to see if anyone has checked this .. yet .. ?

    Let's ..

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  10. Hmmm .. high altitude / therefore increased red blood cell
    production .. BRINGS .. arthritis .. rheumatoid .. nodules .. and
    erosive arthritis ..

    Coincidentally .. the same .. 'gradient' / altitude .. as ..
    Multiple .. Sclerosis ..

    <<snip>>
    observed that the prevalence of rheumatoid nodules, RF, and erosive
    arthritis in Africa increased along an altitude gradient from sea
    level (Nigeria) to high-altitude regions (Uganda and Lesotho). They
    postulated that it was the absence of tropical infections at high
    altitudes that predisposed to more severe disease.
    <<snip>>

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/448141_4

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  11. The only treatment for thick blood is to be bled.

    · the production of red blood cells, which carry oxygen through the
    body, increase as the body acclimates to high altitude, allowing more
    oxygen to be "grabbed" from every breath.

    The body also responds to the lower oxygen levels by putting more red
    blood cells into circulation. Up to a point, this is a good thing.
    However, if it goes too far, the blood becomes thick and prone to
    clotting. Clots which get dislodged float around and can cause
    strokes, heart attacks, and pulmonary embolisms. The only treatment
    for thick blood is to be bled.

    http://www.k2news.com/lesson21.htm

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  12. numbnutz said:

    Glad I am still able to read .. there .. chief .. after ALL the
    years of masturbation ..

    Well, you finally admit what everyone has alway known.

    .... numbnutz is the syphilitic offspring of a mass Siberian gang whoopee!

  13. On Apr 9, 12:18 pm, "california_chief"

    Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us said:
    numbnutz said:

    'It Hurts When I Walk:' Venous Stasis Disease - Differential Diagnosis
    and Treatment
    Posted 02/07/2007
    Cynthia A. Worley, BSN, RN, COCN, CWCN

    HEY! numbnutz, why did you remove the following notice from your post?

    All material on this website is protected by copyright, Copyright ©
    1994-2007
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    Chiefy, what FD are you retired from and how long did you serve there?

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