Young Riders Pressured To Dope

slow triathlete said:

Anyone know of any stories of young cyclist being pressured to dope, not to just make it but actual executives of teams or clubs?

I am specifically interested in EPO cases.

Also if you know of these cases how do the young riders get away with not testing positive for EPO now that there is a test protocol?

thanks

Brian

The motivations to cheat are endless. In any case, clean athletes are doomed in pro sports.

90% of doping is NOT tested for. So passing a $250 urine test is very, very easy. That explains why most dopers are NEVER caught and are very surprised if they ever are caught. (Hamilton, Landis, Jones, Gatlin)

If you are a famous endorsed athlete---tests are easily fixed as well. (Armstrong, Jones, Hamilton, Delgado all had tests reversed)

For unimportant athletes:
EPO is very tricky to detect. Daily micro dosing is impossible to detect. Many research anti-anemia drugs are undetectable too. (Black market)

Whilst testosterone and female hormones are detectable---the USADA & WADA labs do NOT test for them---UNLESS the T/E ratio is way out beyond 4:1 (1:1 = normal) That protects 99.999% of the cheats.

hGH, IGF, insulin and blood transfusions all remain undetectable.

Many corticosteroids are undetectable.

Cow blood packed tranfusions are undetectable.

If you want to dope---you certainly can without much worry of being caught.

Just don't pull a Roid Rage homicide like OJ Simpson, Chris Benoit or Mariet Ford.

But do coaches etc pressure the younger riders to do this? How is it broached?

What CAT does it start at? Juniors?

thanks

B

There was an article about this on cyclingnews (i think?) and there was huge pressure to dope, as some Jr's have already been caught.

I doubt the team managers do it. I bet the rider convinced Dad that everyone does it and they need to find a doctor that will do it for them.

slow triathlete said:

But do coaches etc pressure the younger riders to do this? How is it broached?

What CAT does it start at? Juniors?

thanks

B

If you believe the USCF lawsuit (now USA Cycling) re: doping juniors, and testimonies of multi-national junior champion Greg Strock, David Francis, Gerrik Latta and Erich Kaiter, then you would believe that the USA National Team members were forced into doping at age 17. Hence, lack of informed consent, lack of parental knowledge and illegal, immoral and unethical practices on every level. (don't ask, don't tell, exhausting workouts, adult coach and peer pressures)

Adults without medical licenses, injecting minors on a daily basis and sticking pills into energy bars. These are names of those on board during the alleged doping of juniors.

Lisa Voight, CEO of USCF
Jerry Lace, Executive director of USCF
Jiri Mainus, National team Director
Angus Fraser, trainer
Chris Carmichael, Coach
Rene Wenzel, Coach
Lance Armstrong, team member
Jimi Killen, team member
Jimi Killen's mother

This apparent doping problem at the US National Team may or may not have been corrected. Perhaps as Bjarne Riis has fixed the CSC doping problem?

damn i hope this never happens to me

theoption said:

damn i hope this never happens to me

Unless you are invited to an Olympic Training Camp via a famous scout---it won't.

Only the top juniors are subjected to the process.

Hallo from Italy, this is my experience.

In Italy (it's the place where I live) the trend is very similar. In particular, when I was a Juniores (1999-2000) there were many troubles with est-europe athletes: the teams caught them from their countries, they offered them a place for living in Italy (usually in 2-star hotels), and they practiced systematic doping on them (nandrolone, etc etc). The controls were uneffective and very rare. The riders could not oppose to their director's will; the alternative was to go back to est-europe to starve... when the italian federation (FCI) discovered this situation, forbade to italian juniores + under 23 team to have more than 1 stranger (this situation is the actual one).