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  1. Hi All,

    For the purposes of avoiding work to be done, I have been daydreaming
    about my fantasy road bike that I am going to buy when I find an extra
    $10,000 lying around.

    Here's the requirements:

    under 7kg
    able to withstand my 98kg (someday 95?)
    comfortable
    maintainable by me (ie no bonded kevlar spokes or similar craziness)
    deep section clincher wheels (despite weight penalty) due to potential
    for multiple flats and need for aero.

    Here's what I've come up with:

    Pinarello Paris carbon frameset (I have a alu Pinarello and I like the
    geometry and handling, but not the weight) 59.5cm
    Shimano Dura Ace drivetrain (I want 177.5 or 180 cranks so this limits
    my options for lighter cranks) because I like the brifters' shape.
    Wipperman stainless chain cuz I ride in the rain and live by the sea
    Zero Gravity Ti brakes
    Deda Zero100 stem
    Deda Newton strada bars
    San Marco Regal Ti saddle
    Time RXS Ti pedals
    (also Rocket 7 shoes. Light shoes don't seem to come in size 50 from
    anyplace else)
    Zipp 404 clincher wheels
    Vittoria Pave tires

    This comes to about 6.9kg (a shade over 15lbs)

    Any suggestions for alternatives? In particular the wheels might be
    improved. Clincher deep section, though.

    Joseph

  2. Dans le message de
    news:[email hidden],
    [email hidden] <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et
    puis a déclaré :

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,

    For the purposes of avoiding work to be done, I have been daydreaming
    about my fantasy road bike that I am going to buy when I find an extra
    $10,000 lying around.

    Here's the requirements:

    under 7kg
    able to withstand my 98kg (someday 95?)
    comfortable
    maintainable by me (ie no bonded kevlar spokes or similar craziness)
    deep section clincher wheels (despite weight penalty) due to potential
    for multiple flats and need for aero.

    Here's what I've come up with:

    Pinarello Paris carbon frameset (I have a alu Pinarello and I like the
    geometry and handling, but not the weight) 59.5cm
    Shimano Dura Ace drivetrain (I want 177.5 or 180 cranks so this limits
    my options for lighter cranks) because I like the brifters' shape.
    Wipperman stainless chain cuz I ride in the rain and live by the sea
    Zero Gravity Ti brakes
    Deda Zero100 stem
    Deda Newton strada bars
    San Marco Regal Ti saddle
    Time RXS Ti pedals
    (also Rocket 7 shoes. Light shoes don't seem to come in size 50 from
    anyplace else)
    Zipp 404 clincher wheels
    Vittoria Pave tires

    This comes to about 6.9kg (a shade over 15lbs)

    Any suggestions for alternatives?

    You need to visit your doctor. This stuff usually starts around November
    and lasts until the frozen roads thaw a bit. And why limit it to 10 000 ???
    Go for the big ticket items, please.

    One trade-off you need to make, to stick with your configuration : either
    have normal saddle rails and pedal axles, or drop a full 25kg. If you do
    the latter, you may find even your old bike goes faster.
    --
    Sandy
    --
    C'est le contraire du vélo, la bicyclette.
    Une silhouette profilée mauve fluo dévale
    à soixante-dix à l'heure : c'est du vélo.
    Deux lycéennes côte à côte traversent
    un pont à Bruges : c'est de la bicyclette.
    -Delerm, P.

  3. Quoted message said:

    under 7kg
    able to withstand my 98kg (someday 95?)

    Have you budgeted for a support vehicle to follow you around
    and scrape you off the road (or at least your seatpost) whenever
    you hit a pothole?

    --
    Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

  4. Sandy said:

    Dans le message denews:[email hidden],
    [email hidden] <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et
    puis a déclaré :

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,

    Quoted message said:

    For the purposes of avoiding work to be done, I have been daydreaming
    about my fantasy road bike that I am going to buy when I find an extra
    $10,000 lying around.

    Quoted message said:

    Here's the requirements:

    Quoted message said:

    under 7kg
    able to withstand my 98kg (someday 95?)
    comfortable
    maintainable by me (ie no bonded kevlar spokes or similar craziness)
    deep section clincher wheels (despite weight penalty) due to potential
    for multiple flats and need for aero.

    Quoted message said:

    Here's what I've come up with:

    Quoted message said:

    Pinarello Paris carbon frameset (I have a alu Pinarello and I like the
    geometry and handling, but not the weight) 59.5cm
    Shimano Dura Ace drivetrain (I want 177.5 or 180 cranks so this limits
    my options for lighter cranks) because I like the brifters' shape.
    Wipperman stainless chain cuz I ride in the rain and live by the sea
    Zero Gravity Ti brakes
    Deda Zero100 stem
    Deda Newton strada bars
    San Marco Regal Ti saddle
    Time RXS Ti pedals
    (also Rocket 7 shoes. Light shoes don't seem to come in size 50 from
    anyplace else)
    Zipp 404 clincher wheels
    Vittoria Pave tires

    Quoted message said:

    This comes to about 6.9kg (a shade over 15lbs)

    Quoted message said:

    Any suggestions for alternatives?

    You need to visit your doctor. This stuff usually starts around November
    and lasts until the frozen roads thaw a bit. And why limit it to 10 000 ???
    Go for the big ticket items, please.

    A doctor's visit may be in order, but to my defense the weather has
    been rather November-like today. 10,000 is a nice round number the
    sort that spam mails promise, an besides I only need to find this
    10,000 subsidy. The final budget with my honest contribution could be
    much higher. But what the Hell, let's up the ante. The frame of choice
    is now a Pinarello Dogma FPX custom geometry and paint just to burn
    off some of the budget. To make up for the higher weight of the Dogma
    frame, the wheels will need to be Lew Racing VT-1's. At $6,000 per set
    those ought to contribute nicely to the new budget. And let's go with
    Record over Dura Ace because it costs more if nothing else. With these
    minor changes even keeping my San Marco Regal the bike comes in under
    5.8kg and closer to $15,000. That's better, right?

    Quoted message said:

    One trade-off you need to make, to stick with your configuration : either
    have normal saddle rails and pedal axles, or drop a full 25kg. If you do
    the latter, you may find even your old bike goes faster.

    I thought Ti stuff would be stronger too?

    Joseph

  5. Quoted message said:

    For the purposes of avoiding work to be done, I have been daydreaming
    about my fantasy road bike that I am going to buy when I find an extra
    $10,000 lying around.

    Quoted message said:

    Here's what I've come up with:

    Pinarello Paris carbon frameset (I have a alu Pinarello and I like the
    geometry and handling, but not the weight) 59.5cm

    For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    frame.

    --

    John ([email hidden])

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted post said:

    Hi All,

    For the purposes of avoiding work to be done, I have been daydreaming
    about my fantasy road bike that I am going to buy when I find an extra
    $10,000 lying around.

    Here's the requirements:

    under 7kg
    able to withstand my 98kg (someday 95?)
    comfortable
    maintainable by me (ie no bonded kevlar spokes or similar craziness)
    deep section clincher wheels (despite weight penalty) due to potential
    for multiple flats and need for aero.

    Here's what I've come up with:

    Pinarello Paris carbon frameset (I have a alu Pinarello and I like the
    geometry and handling, but not the weight) 59.5cm
    Shimano Dura Ace drivetrain (I want 177.5 or 180 cranks so this limits
    my options for lighter cranks) because I like the brifters' shape.
    Wipperman stainless chain cuz I ride in the rain and live by the sea
    Zero Gravity Ti brakes
    Deda Zero100 stem
    Deda Newton strada bars
    San Marco Regal Ti saddle
    Time RXS Ti pedals
    (also Rocket 7 shoes. Light shoes don't seem to come in size 50 from
    anyplace else)
    Zipp 404 clincher wheels
    Vittoria Pave tires

    This comes to about 6.9kg (a shade over 15lbs)

    Any suggestions for alternatives? In particular the wheels might be
    improved. Clincher deep section, though.

    Huh. I would think that even with that rather light weight budget, most
    of the ProTour bikes would work, or would work with minimal fiddling.

    There's not really a lot to choose among them: do you like the Scott
    CR1, Cervelo Soloist or R3 Carbons, or the funky new Trek 6.9 with the
    two-size fork and press-in bearings? Any of them can be built to 7 kg
    with a fairly normal parts mix.

    Here's an Aluminum Soloist (I'm pretty sure it's Al going by the
    slightly less faired-in tube shaping) with no especially goofy parts
    (32/36 spoke wheels!) and Campy shifters that comes in below 6900g:

    http://www.light-bikes.com/bikegallery/BikeListing.asp?id=26

    It is a 51 cm frame, though.

    As you can see, the absurdolight bikes really get going around the
    13-pound mark, when they start specifying aluminum cassette blocks to
    drop another 50g versus the lightest Shimano Dura-Ace cassettes.

    http://www.light-bikes.com/BikeGallery/BikeSelect.asp?catid=3

    Here's an almost-boring Litespeed Ghisallo in size ML (compact geometry,
    but it looks like it would fit someone near to 6 feet) that sports no
    parts more exotic than Dura-Ace, excepting only a dysfunctional-looking
    7g water bottle cage.

    It's a little less than 6.9 kg.

    Note that some of these bike weights can be a tad suspect. Often the
    part weights are listed individually, but the more honest builders will
    describe whether the assembled bike was weighed as well, thus accounting
    for the odd grams here and there that crop up, either due to lubricants,
    parts not at mfr-spec weight, or forgotten odds and sods like stem nuts
    and bar ends.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  7. email hidden said:
    Sandy said:

    One trade-off you need to make, to stick with your configuration : either
    have normal saddle rails and pedal axles, or drop a full 25kg. If you do
    the latter, you may find even your old bike goes faster.

    I thought Ti stuff would be stronger too?

    Titanium, because it sounds cool or is used in aerospace
    or is expensive, has acquired some allure of being made
    of Magic Metallurgy Beans. In fact, titanium is less
    strong or stiff than steel at _fixed dimension_. It's
    stronger than steel _per weight_. But there are a lot
    of parts on bicycles where the dimensions are restricted
    and so you can't make the titanium parts stiffer by
    benefit of being oversized. Some notorious examples
    are BB spindles, pedal axles, and saddle rails.

    There's a snappy explanation of why Ti spindles are scary at
    http://www.bebop.com/old%20web%20text/pages/appliedmata101.html
    or www.bebop.com > bebop university > metallurgy 101.

    Frame tubes are an example where you _can_ make the
    material oversized. This is why aluminum frames are
    acceptable but nobody sane would ever use aluminum
    pedal spindles. Also, frame cracks don't usually
    put you on the ground jaw first.

    Ben
    Sometimes, steel really is real

  8. John Thompson said:

    For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    frame.

    Why?
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  9. In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    John Thompson said:

    For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    frame.

    Why?

    A frame builder can look at Joseph's bicycles, talk
    with Joseph, and fine tune the frame.

    --
    Michael Press

  10. On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:39:09 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    John Thompson said:

    For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    frame.

    Why?

    A frame builder can look at Joseph's bicycles, talk
    with Joseph, and fine tune the frame.

    It seems to me that so many great frames exist stock that most people
    can easily find a frame that works perfectly for them.

    What is "fine tuning" a frame?

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  11. John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    Michael Press said:

    A frame builder can look at Joseph's bicycles, talk
    with Joseph, and fine tune the frame.

    It seems to me that so many great frames exist stock that most people
    can easily find a frame that works perfectly for them.

    What is "fine tuning" a frame?

    Adding damping at the appropriate places to produce the desired
    acoustic response when going over bumps?

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

  12. On Jun 27, 12:23 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:39:09 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:24:11 -0500, John Thompson
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    >frame.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why?

    Quoted message said:

    A frame builder can look at Joseph's bicycles, talk
    with Joseph, and fine tune the frame.

    It seems to me that so many great frames exist stock that most people
    can easily find a frame that works perfectly for them.

    Exactly. And I'm one of them. My current frame is perfect, and my only
    complaint comes in the context of this thread: It's not crazy light.
    The Paris carbon weighs in at about 950g. If I got a custom frame I'd
    just have them copy the geometry from the Pinarello. I haven't
    checked, but how many custom builders could build me a 950g frame that
    was gauranteed to stand up to my weight?

    Joseph

    Quoted message said:


    What is "fine tuning" a frame?

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  13. In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:39:09 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:24:11 -0500, John Thompson
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    >frame.

    Why?

    A frame builder can look at Joseph's bicycles, talk
    with Joseph, and fine tune the frame.

    It seems to me that so many great frames exist stock that most people
    can easily find a frame that works perfectly for them.

    What is "fine tuning" a frame?

    Do you think what I said is plausible? If not skip the
    rest, and move on to the next article. I rode one of my
    bicycles into the shop of a long established frame
    builder. We were talking, and I solicited his comments.
    He said that for me he would have built the fork blades
    much thinner in the curves at the ends.

    --
    Michael Press

  14. On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:14:56 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:39:09 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:24:11 -0500, John Thompson
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    > >frame.
    >
    > Why?

    A frame builder can look at Joseph's bicycles, talk
    with Joseph, and fine tune the frame.

    It seems to me that so many great frames exist stock that most people
    can easily find a frame that works perfectly for them.

    What is "fine tuning" a frame?

    Do you think what I said is plausible? If not skip the
    rest, and move on to the next article. I rode one of my
    bicycles into the shop of a long established frame
    builder. We were talking, and I solicited his comments.
    He said that for me he would have built the fork blades
    much thinner in the curves at the ends.

    Fine tuing a frame doesn't sound plausible to me at a first take, but
    I don't actually know what it means so I have to ask.

    What does it mean?
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  15. In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:14:56 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:39:09 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >In article
    ><[email hidden]>,
    > John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:24:11 -0500, John Thompson
    >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    >> >frame.
    >>
    >> Why?
    >
    >A frame builder can look at Joseph's bicycles, talk
    >with Joseph, and fine tune the frame.

    It seems to me that so many great frames exist stock that most people
    can easily find a frame that works perfectly for them.

    What is "fine tuning" a frame?

    Do you think what I said is plausible? If not skip the
    rest, and move on to the next article. I rode one of my
    bicycles into the shop of a long established frame
    builder. We were talking, and I solicited his comments.
    He said that for me he would have built the fork blades
    much thinner in the curves at the ends.

    Fine tuing a frame doesn't sound plausible to me at a first take, but
    I don't actually know what it means so I have to ask.

    What does it mean?

    I gave an example.

    --
    Michael Press

  16. On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:19:57 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:14:56 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:39:09 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >In article
    > ><[email hidden]>,
    > > John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:24:11 -0500, John Thompson
    > >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    > >> >frame.
    > >>
    > >> Why?
    > >
    > >A frame builder can look at Joseph's bicycles, talk
    > >with Joseph, and fine tune the frame.
    >
    > It seems to me that so many great frames exist stock that most people
    > can easily find a frame that works perfectly for them.
    >
    > What is "fine tuning" a frame?

    Do you think what I said is plausible? If not skip the
    rest, and move on to the next article. I rode one of my
    bicycles into the shop of a long established frame
    builder. We were talking, and I solicited his comments.
    He said that for me he would have built the fork blades
    much thinner in the curves at the ends.

    Fine tuing a frame doesn't sound plausible to me at a first take, but
    I don't actually know what it means so I have to ask.

    What does it mean?

    I gave an example.

    What's the purpose? Weight, ride, looks? Something else?

    --
    JT
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  17. In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:19:57 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:14:56 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >In article
    ><[email hidden]>,
    > John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:39:09 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >In article
    >> ><[email hidden]>,
    >> > John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
    >> > wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:24:11 -0500, John Thompson
    >> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    >> >> >frame.
    >> >>
    >> >> Why?
    >> >
    >> >A frame builder can look at Joseph's bicycles, talk
    >> >with Joseph, and fine tune the frame.
    >>
    >> It seems to me that so many great frames exist stock that most people
    >> can easily find a frame that works perfectly for them.
    >>
    >> What is "fine tuning" a frame?
    >
    >Do you think what I said is plausible? If not skip the
    >rest, and move on to the next article. I rode one of my
    >bicycles into the shop of a long established frame
    >builder. We were talking, and I solicited his comments.
    >He said that for me he would have built the fork blades
    >much thinner in the curves at the ends.

    Fine tuing a frame doesn't sound plausible to me at a first take, but
    I don't actually know what it means so I have to ask.

    What does it mean?

    I gave an example.

    What's the purpose? Weight, ride, looks? Something else?

    My weight compared to the flex in the fork. A bit of
    flex in the ends of the fork blades absorbs a
    noticeable amount of road shock without compromising
    handling. Good to have for riding outside of racing.

    --
    Michael Press

  18. On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:34:18 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:19:57 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:14:56 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >In article
    > ><[email hidden]>,
    > > John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:39:09 -0700, Michael Press <[email hidden]>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >In article
    > >> ><[email hidden]>,
    > >> > John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
    > >> > wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:24:11 -0500, John Thompson
    > >> >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >For that kind of money, I'd find an established custom builder for the
    > >> >> >frame.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Why?
    > >> >
    > >> >A frame builder can look at Joseph's bicycles, talk
    > >> >with Joseph, and fine tune the frame.
    > >>
    > >> It seems to me that so many great frames exist stock that most people
    > >> can easily find a frame that works perfectly for them.
    > >>
    > >> What is "fine tuning" a frame?
    > >
    > >Do you think what I said is plausible? If not skip the
    > >rest, and move on to the next article. I rode one of my
    > >bicycles into the shop of a long established frame
    > >builder. We were talking, and I solicited his comments.
    > >He said that for me he would have built the fork blades
    > >much thinner in the curves at the ends.
    >
    > Fine tuing a frame doesn't sound plausible to me at a first take, but
    > I don't actually know what it means so I have to ask.
    >
    > What does it mean?

    I gave an example.

    What's the purpose? Weight, ride, looks? Something else?

    My weight compared to the flex in the fork. A bit of
    flex in the ends of the fork blades absorbs a
    noticeable amount of road shock without compromising
    handling. Good to have for riding outside of racing.

    Are their custom carbon fiber forks available that can be "tuned" in
    this way?

    Or are you giving advice unrelated to the OP's question of "fantasy
    race bike"?
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  19. email hidden said:

    Hi All,

    For the purposes of avoiding work to be done, I have been daydreaming
    about my fantasy road bike that I am going to buy when I find an extra
    $10,000 lying around.

    Here's the requirements:

    under 7kg
    able to withstand my 98kg (someday 95?)
    comfortable
    maintainable by me (ie no bonded kevlar spokes or similar craziness)
    deep section clincher wheels (despite weight penalty) due to potential
    for multiple flats and need for aero.

    Here's what I've come up with:

    Pinarello Paris carbon frameset (I have a alu Pinarello and I like the
    geometry and handling, but not the weight) 59.5cm
    Shimano Dura Ace drivetrain (I want 177.5 or 180 cranks so this limits
    my options for lighter cranks) because I like the brifters' shape.
    Wipperman stainless chain cuz I ride in the rain and live by the sea
    Zero Gravity Ti brakes
    Deda Zero100 stem
    Deda Newton strada bars
    San Marco Regal Ti saddle
    Time RXS Ti pedals
    (also Rocket 7 shoes. Light shoes don't seem to come in size 50 from
    anyplace else)
    Zipp 404 clincher wheels
    Vittoria Pave tires

    This comes to about 6.9kg (a shade over 15lbs)

    Any suggestions for alternatives? In particular the wheels might be
    improved. Clincher deep section, though.

    Joseph

    FIRST, lose those 3 kg, then get a Merckx MXLeader, with friction
    shifters and the total package will be the same and you will have a
    frame/bike that will last forever, climb/decend like a rocket, never
    need a RDer adjust and will look cool as well....................

  20. Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    On Jun 26, 5:30 am, "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,

    Quoted message said:

    For the purposes of avoiding work to be done, I have been daydreaming
    about my fantasy road bike that I am going to buy when I find an extra
    $10,000 lying around.

    Quoted message said:

    Here's the requirements:

    Quoted message said:

    under 7kg
    able to withstand my 98kg (someday 95?)
    comfortable
    maintainable by me (ie no bonded kevlar spokes or similar craziness)
    deep section clincher wheels (despite weight penalty) due to potential
    for multiple flats and need for aero.

    Quoted message said:

    Here's what I've come up with:

    Quoted message said:

    Pinarello Paris carbon frameset (I have a alu Pinarello and I like the
    geometry and handling, but not the weight) 59.5cm
    Shimano Dura Ace drivetrain (I want 177.5 or 180 cranks so this limits
    my options for lighter cranks) because I like the brifters' shape.
    Wipperman stainless chain cuz I ride in the rain and live by the sea
    Zero Gravity Ti brakes
    Deda Zero100 stem
    Deda Newton strada bars
    San Marco Regal Ti saddle
    Time RXS Ti pedals
    (also Rocket 7 shoes. Light shoes don't seem to come in size 50 from
    anyplace else)
    Zipp 404 clincher wheels
    Vittoria Pave tires

    Quoted message said:

    This comes to about 6.9kg (a shade over 15lbs)

    Quoted message said:

    Any suggestions for alternatives? In particular the wheels might be
    improved. Clincher deep section, though.

    Quoted message said:

    Joseph

    FIRST, lose those 3 kg, then get a Merckx MXLeader, with friction
    shifters and the total package will be the same and you will have a
    frame/bike that will last forever, climb/decend like a rocket, never
    need a RDer adjust and will look cool as well....................

    My '86 C-Record Tommasini Super Prestige is a shade lighter than my
    '06 Ultegra Pinarello Galileo so maybe you've got a point there...

    Joseph

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