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  1. The solid tire was the high-quality red-rubber version and originally
    tightened onto the rim a core wire at the splice, but it's shrunk
    enough to leave a huge tire-splice gap at about 11 o'clock.

    Every fourth spokes, you'll see a wire holding the tire to the rim:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5mv0TWCr7/velomania_isop_det.jpg

    As you can see, the rear wheel has two problem spokes:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5mZAghh7P/velomania_isop.jpg

    Solid red rubber tires in better condition:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nNEFdmqB/velo_19.jpg

    New-fangled pneumatic tires for comparison, with gratutious wooden
    rims, block chain, and possibly replaceable front chain-ring:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nOVg6UuZ/velo_17.jpg

    Given these Finnish water bottles, it's no wonder that they're lying
    in a tangled heap by the side of the road:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nHLxcgmJ/velo_6.jpg

    Angry villagers chasing highwheeler:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nHM34RgZ/velo_13.jpg

    The Sawyer quadricycle that I was looking for when I stumbled over the
    other pictures. Note the early clipless pedals and the elegant seat
    bag:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nNBHwXwt/velo_3.jpg

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  2. Quoted message said:

    The solid tire was the high-quality red-rubber version and originally
    tightened onto the rim a core wire at the splice, but it's shrunk
    enough to leave a huge tire-splice gap at about 11 o'clock.

    Every fourth spokes, you'll see a wire holding the tire to the rim:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5mv0TWCr7/velomania_isop_det.jpg

    As you can see, the rear wheel has two problem spokes:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5mZAghh7P/velomania_isop.jpg

    Solid red rubber tires in better condition:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nNEFdmqB/velo_19.jpg

    New-fangled pneumatic tires for comparison, with gratutious wooden
    rims, block chain, and possibly replaceable front chain-ring:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nOVg6UuZ/velo_17.jpg

    Given these Finnish water bottles, it's no wonder that they're lying
    in a tangled heap by the side of the road:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nHLxcgmJ/velo_6.jpg

    Angry villagers chasing highwheeler:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nHM34RgZ/velo_13.jpg

    The Sawyer quadricycle that I was looking for when I stumbled over the
    other pictures. Note the early clipless pedals and the elegant seat
    bag:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nNBHwXwt/velo_3.jpg

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    That silly thing has a 34-spoke radial front wheel:

    http://i19.tinypic.com/6bwj72t.jpg

    I counted the oddball 34 spokes twice before I gave up and numbered
    them in a paint program. The rear wheel is a decent 36-spoke radial.

    The dingus hanging below the far side of the hub is probably a
    highwheeler-style mounting pedal, which was popular on early safeties,
    just like the highwheeler-style adjustable-slot crank pedals.

    Everyone was used to the highwheeler custom of pushing from the side
    to get going, stepping up, sitting, and _then_ putting the feet on the
    pedals. Similarly, everyone was used to adjusting the pedal length,
    not the seat height--like a highwheeler, this frame doesn't have a
    seat post.

    Note the highwheeler-style curve of the down-tube, hugging the arc of
    the front fender and tire.

    The thingies on the fork near the axle are fixie coasting pegs.

    The spoon brake has way too many adjustment holes.

    CF

  3. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The solid tire was the high-quality red-rubber version and originally
    tightened onto the rim a core wire at the splice, but it's shrunk
    enough to leave a huge tire-splice gap at about 11 o'clock.

    Quoted message said:

    Every fourth spokes, you'll see a wire holding the tire to the rim:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5mv0TWCr7/velomania_isop_det.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    As you can see, the rear wheel has two problem spokes:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5mZAghh7P/velomania_isop.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    Solid red rubber tires in better condition:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nNEFdmqB/velo_19.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    New-fangled pneumatic tires for comparison, with gratutious wooden
    rims, block chain, and possibly replaceable front chain-ring:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nOVg6UuZ/velo_17.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    Given these Finnish water bottles, it's no wonder that they're lying
    in a tangled heap by the side of the road:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nHLxcgmJ/velo_6.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    Angry villagers chasing highwheeler:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nHM34RgZ/velo_13.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    The Sawyer quadricycle that I was looking for when I stumbled over the
    other pictures. Note the early clipless pedals and the elegant seat
    bag:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nNBHwXwt/velo_3.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    Cheers,

    Quoted message said:

    Carl Fogel

    That silly thing has a 34-spoke radial front wheel:

    http://i19.tinypic.com/6bwj72t.jpg

    I counted the oddball 34 spokes twice before I gave up and numbered
    them in a paint program. The rear wheel is a decent 36-spoke radial.

    Maybe the manufacturer REALLY didn't want anyone respoking it with a
    crossing pattern...

  4. Quoted message said:

    That silly thing has a 34-spoke radial front wheel:
    http://i19.tinypic.com/6bwj72t.jpg
    I counted the oddball 34 spokes twice before I gave up and numbered
    them in a paint program. The rear wheel is a decent 36-spoke radial.
    The dingus hanging below the far side of the hub is probably a
    highwheeler-style mounting pedal, which was popular on early safeties,
    just like the highwheeler-style adjustable-slot crank pedals.
    Everyone was used to the highwheeler custom of pushing from the side
    to get going, stepping up, sitting, and _then_ putting the feet on the
    pedals. Similarly, everyone was used to adjusting the pedal length,
    not the seat height--like a highwheeler, this frame doesn't have a
    seat post.
    Note the highwheeler-style curve of the down-tube, hugging the arc of
    the front fender and tire.
    The thingies on the fork near the axle are fixie coasting pegs.

    The spoon brake has way too many adjustment holes.

    Cool photo.
    Wouldn't the brake adjusting holes correlate with stem height?

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  5. On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:01:24 -0500, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That silly thing has a 34-spoke radial front wheel:
    http://i19.tinypic.com/6bwj72t.jpg
    I counted the oddball 34 spokes twice before I gave up and numbered
    them in a paint program. The rear wheel is a decent 36-spoke radial.
    The dingus hanging below the far side of the hub is probably a
    highwheeler-style mounting pedal, which was popular on early safeties,
    just like the highwheeler-style adjustable-slot crank pedals.
    Everyone was used to the highwheeler custom of pushing from the side
    to get going, stepping up, sitting, and _then_ putting the feet on the
    pedals. Similarly, everyone was used to adjusting the pedal length,
    not the seat height--like a highwheeler, this frame doesn't have a
    seat post.
    Note the highwheeler-style curve of the down-tube, hugging the arc of
    the front fender and tire.
    The thingies on the fork near the axle are fixie coasting pegs.

    The spoon brake has way too many adjustment holes.

    Cool photo.
    Wouldn't the brake adjusting holes correlate with stem height?

    Dear Andrew,

    I think that you're right. There's what looks like a huge set-screw
    for raising and lowering the handlebar.

    But it implies--gulp!--about half-a-foot of stem adjustment, judging
    by the two bolts, the 7 holes, and the handy scale provided by the
    inch-pitch teeth on the front sprocket.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  6. quote=''On Sun said:

    The solid tire was the high-quality red-rubber version and originally
    tightened onto the rim a core wire at the splice, but it's shrunk
    enough to leave a huge tire-splice gap at about 11 o'clock.

    Every fourth spokes, you'll see a wire holding the tire to the rim:

    tampere.fivelomania isop det.jpg

    As you can see, the rear wheel has two problem spokes:

    tampere.fivelomania isop.jpg

    Solid red rubber tires in better condition:

    tampere.fivelo 19.jpg

    New-fangled pneumatic tires for comparison, with gratutious wooden
    rims, block chain, and possibly replaceable front chain-ring:

    tampere.fivelo 17.jpg

    Given these Finnish water bottles, it's no wonder that they're lying
    in a tangled heap by the side of the road:

    tampere.fivelo 6.jpg

    Angry villagers chasing highwheeler:

    tampere.fivelo 13.jpg

    The Sawyer quadricycle that I was looking for when I stumbled over the
    other pictures. Note the early clipless pedals and the elegant seat
    bag:

    tampere.fivelo 3.jpg

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    That silly thing has a 34-spoke radial front wheel:

    i19.tinypic.com6bwj72t.jpg

    I counted the oddball 34 spokes twice before I gave up and numbered
    them in a paint program. The rear wheel is a decent 36-spoke radial.

    The dingus hanging below the far side of the hub is probably a
    highwheeler-style mounting pedal, which was popular on early safeties,
    just like the highwheeler-style adjustable-slot crank pedals.

    Everyone was used to the highwheeler custom of pushing from the side
    to get going, stepping up, sitting, and _then_ putting the feet on the
    pedals. Similarly, everyone was used to adjusting the pedal length,
    not the seat height--like a highwheeler, this frame doesn't have a
    seat post.

    Note the highwheeler-style curve of the down-tube, hugging the arc of
    the front fender and tire.

    The thingies on the fork near the axle are fixie coasting pegs.

    The spoon brake has way too many adjustment holes.

    CF[/QUOTE]

    I guess that this bicycle would not be UCI legal since it's a "non-traditional" design with no seatube?

  7. Quoted message said:


    Given these Finnish water bottles, it's no wonder that they're lying
    in a tangled heap by the side of the road:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nHLxcgmJ/velo_6.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    Hi Carl. Great images.

    Wow! Check out the bladed front fork on the bike at the extreme left
    of the photo. I wonder if it was faster being more aero than the other
    two? VBG

    It is interesting just how little is truly new.

    Cheers from Peter

  8. Quoted message said:

    The solid tire was the high-quality red-rubber version and originally
    tightened onto the rim a core wire at the splice, but it's shrunk
    enough to leave a huge tire-splice gap at about 11 o'clock.

    Every fourth spokes, you'll see a wire holding the tire to the rim:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5mv0TWCr7/velomania_isop_det.jpg


    ......

    Do we have any evidence that the wires tying the tire on now were
    actually used when the bike was new?

    It looks like perhaps something that may have been done for display
    purposes, considering that the original tire was no longer supple enough
    to mount normally.
    ~

  9. Sir Ridesalot said:
    Quoted message said:


    Given these Finnish water bottles, it's no wonder that they're lying
    in a tangled heap by the side of the road:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5nHLxcgmJ/velo_6.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    Hi Carl. Great images.

    Wow! Check out the bladed front fork on the bike at the extreme left
    of the photo. I wonder if it was faster being more aero than the other
    two? VBG

    It is interesting just how little is truly new.

    Cheers from Peter

    Dear Peter,

    Well, some things change.

    http://i13.tinypic.com/5495f0p.jpg

    Most riders worried about aerodynamics no longer wear watch chains,
    use squeeze-bulb horns, add mud-flaps to their fenders, ride on
    treaded tires, carry frame pumps, or smoke.

    They do use half-inch chain and sprockets, cable-controlled gears,
    cotterless cranks, and new-fangled air-valves on their tires.

    One out of three probably tries to fend photographers off with a
    stick.

    More seriously, the middle bike is probably faster than the left-hand
    bike, since it has hub gearing and top-tube mounted friction shifter.

    The bladed fork on the left bike is just simpler and cheaper to
    manufacture. Here's an 1885 patent (U.S. 313083) showing the steps
    needed to make a more complicated tubular fork:

    http://i16.tinypic.com/5zmrqtl.jpg

    Cheers*,

    Carl Fogel

    *Or Kippis, as those three Finnish riders might have said. The entry
    for Finland dwarfs all other entries in this list of translations for
    "Bottoms up!":

    http://www.awa.dk/glosary/slainte.htm

  10. On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:26:32 -0500, DougC <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The solid tire was the high-quality red-rubber version and originally
    tightened onto the rim a core wire at the splice, but it's shrunk
    enough to leave a huge tire-splice gap at about 11 o'clock.

    Every fourth spokes, you'll see a wire holding the tire to the rim:

    http://www.tampere.fi/kuvat/5mv0TWCr7/velomania_isop_det.jpg


    .....

    Do we have any evidence that the wires tying the tire on now were
    actually used when the bike was new?

    It looks like perhaps something that may have been done for display
    purposes, considering that the original tire was no longer supple enough
    to mount normally.
    ~

    Dear Doug,

    I suppose that the museum might have put twenty or so wire loops on
    the tire to hold it in place for display purposes, but it seems
    unlikely--the two wires at the tire splice would have held it in
    place. Or even a zip tie or two.

    Note that most (but not all) of the wires have shifted around until
    they fetched up against a spoke, always in the same direction, counter
    clockwise in this view, which is the way that constant acceleration
    would drag them. (A few remain in the middle between two spokes, and
    the two at the splice are a special case.)

    Note the two tire-wires on the upper right of the small rear wheel.
    They look battered, not like something added long after the bike was
    no longer being ridden.

    Note on the large wheel how some wires are digging into the rubber
    quite noticeably, while others don't--this looks like the effects of
    either deterioration over the years, riding causing different wear
    rates, or someone twisting some wires tighter than a museum worker
    concerned only with keeping a display neat.

    Loose highwheeler tires were indeed wired in practice. Karl Kron
    mentions using some fine wire just to tie loose splice ends down:

    "I may as well say here that I have driven my second set of tires
    4,700 miles, and that I think that at least another 1,000 miles will
    be required to 'pound them to rags.' The splice in the big tire worked
    loose in this second set, just as the splice in the little one worked
    loose in the first, though not until I had driven it some 2,500 miles,
    or more than ten times as far as in the first case. After two or three
    unsatisfactory experiments with cement, I had the loose end of the
    splice sewed down with fine wire; and this improvement lasted for 500
    miles, or until the tip of the splice broke off."

    --"Ten Thousand Miles on a Bicycle," Karl Kron, p. 37-8

    In fact, Kron used string instead of the heavy wire seen in the museum
    picture:

    "On the following day the little tire worked loose, for the first time
    in its history; and, for the first time in my experience, I made use
    of cemnent in re-setting it. I was obliged to ride ten miles before
    reaching the cement, however, and as the tire had been literally worn
    to shreds, and as my supply of string was rather limited, the tattered
    india-rubber would occasionally bulge out from the im far enough to
    strike the fork, and thus call my attention to its sad condition. In
    the large tire, also, an indentation, at the point where the two ends
    had been worn away [the splice gap], caused a definite jar at each
    revolution of the wheel during the last 600 miles."

    --"Ten THousand Miles on a Bicycle," Karl Kron, p. 47

    Kron rode a small 46-inch highwheeler, so his Pope cyclometer ticked
    over roughly every 144 inches, a jar every 12 feet, or 264,000 jars in
    that 600 miles. That many bumps wears a noticeable hole in even a tiny
    gap where the tire ends meet.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  11. -snip-

    Quoted message said:

    http://i13.tinypic.com/5495f0p.jpg
    More seriously, the middle bike is probably faster than the left-hand
    bike, since it has hub gearing and top-tube mounted friction shifter.

    Looks like a Sturmey Archer K series quadrant to me.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  12. On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:54:10 -0500, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    -snip-

    Quoted message said:

    http://i13.tinypic.com/5495f0p.jpg
    More seriously, the middle bike is probably faster than the left-hand
    bike, since it has hub gearing and top-tube mounted friction shifter.

    Looks like a Sturmey Archer K series quadrant to me.

    Dear Andrew,

    If a date is any help, the Finnish caption suggests that the photo was
    taken around 1920 to 1930:

    "Pyörästä tuli kaiken kansan kulkupeli 1920–1930-luvulla. Polkupyörä
    avasi nuorille maaseudun miehille laajemmat ympyrät. Pyörillä
    liikuttiin kotikylistä kaupunkeihin, naapuripitäjiin, tansseihin ja
    muihin rientoihin. Kuva: M. Luhtala / Vapriikin kuva-arkisto."

    http://www.tampere.fi/vapriikki/media/kuvia/index.html

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  13. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    -snip-

    Quoted message said:

    http://i13.tinypic.com/5495f0p.jpg
    More seriously, the middle bike is probably faster than the left-hand
    bike, since it has hub gearing and top-tube mounted friction shifter.

    Quoted message said:
    A Muzi said:

    Looks like a Sturmey Archer K series quadrant to me.

    Quoted message said:

    If a date is any help, the Finnish caption suggests that the photo was
    taken around 1920 to 1930:

    "Pyörästä tuli kaiken kansan kulkupeli 1920–1930-luvulla. Polkupyörä
    avasi nuorille maaseudun miehille laajemmat ympyrät. Pyörillä
    liikuttiin kotikylistä kaupunkeihin, naapuripitäjiin, tansseihin ja
    muihin rientoihin. Kuva: M. Luhtala / Vapriikin kuva-arkisto."
    http://www.tampere.fi/vapriikki/media/kuvia/index.html

    The "K" shifter is distinctive and it's period-correct.
    I can't make anything of that Suomi caption. (AltaVista'a translator
    skips from Dutch to French)
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  14. Quoted message said:

    If a date is any help, the Finnish caption suggests that the photo was
    taken around 1920 to 1930:

    Quoted message said:

    "Pyörästä tuli kaiken kansan kulkupeli 1920–1930-luvulla. Polkupyörä
    avasi nuorille maaseudun miehille laajemmat ympyrät. Pyörillä
    liikuttiin kotikylistä kaupunkeihin, naapuripitäjiin, tansseihin ja
    muihin rientoihin. Kuva: M. Luhtala / Vapriikin kuva-arkisto."

    Very much "around" if the bottles contain what I think they do,
    Finland had prohibition from 1919 to 1934...

    "The bicycle became the people's favoured vehicle in the 1920s/30s.
    It opened a broader world for the young men of the countryside. Bikes
    were used for going from the home village to towns and neighbouring
    parishes, to dances and other activities. Photo: M. Luhtala /
    Vapriikki photo archive."

  15. On 26 Jun 2007 19:59:15 +0300, [email hidden] (A R:nen)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If a date is any help, the Finnish caption suggests that the photo was
    taken around 1920 to 1930:

    Quoted message said:

    "Pyörästä tuli kaiken kansan kulkupeli 1920–1930-luvulla. Polkupyörä
    avasi nuorille maaseudun miehille laajemmat ympyrät. Pyörillä
    liikuttiin kotikylistä kaupunkeihin, naapuripitäjiin, tansseihin ja
    muihin rientoihin. Kuva: M. Luhtala / Vapriikin kuva-arkisto."

    Very much "around" if the bottles contain what I think they do,
    Finland had prohibition from 1919 to 1934...

    "The bicycle became the people's favoured vehicle in the 1920s/30s.
    It opened a broader world for the young men of the countryside. Bikes
    were used for going from the home village to towns and neighbouring
    parishes, to dances and other activities. Photo: M. Luhtala /
    Vapriikki photo archive."

    Dear A,

    Thanks for the translation.

    Horrifyingly, many Finns defied their country's laws against liquor:

    "Finland. Prohibition is enacted (1917), but quickly fails as illicit
    distribution overly burdens police and smuggling becomes widespread
    (1919-1920)."

    http://www.tc.columbia.edu/centers/cifas/drugsandsociety/background/chronologydruguse.html

    "Based on the report of a Wickershamian commission which recently
    probed Finnish prohibition, the preamble to the Government bill
    declared: "In the past twelve years Prohibition has not produced the
    changes in the nation's habits which were expected. . . . On the
    contrary, the law has been openly and persistently violated.'"

    Monday, Dec. 14, 1931 Time magazine

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,930037,00.html

    Cheers,

    Alphonse Capone

  16. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    On 26 Jun 2007 19:59:15 +0300, [email hidden] (A R:nen)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If a date is any help, the Finnish caption suggests that the photo was
    taken around 1920 to 1930:

    Quoted message said:

    "Pyörästä tuli kaiken kansan kulkupeli 1920–1930-luvulla. Polkupyörä
    avasi nuorille maaseudun miehille laajemmat ympyrät. Pyörillä
    liikuttiin kotikylistä kaupunkeihin, naapuripitäjiin, tansseihin ja
    muihin rientoihin. Kuva: M. Luhtala / Vapriikin kuva-arkisto."

    Very much "around" if the bottles contain what I think they do,
    Finland had prohibition from 1919 to 1934...

    "The bicycle became the people's favoured vehicle in the 1920s/30s.
    It opened a broader world for the young men of the countryside. Bikes
    were used for going from the home village to towns and neighbouring
    parishes, to dances and other activities. Photo: M. Luhtala /
    Vapriikki photo archive."

    Dear A,

    Thanks for the translation.

    Horrifyingly, many Finns defied their country's laws against liquor:

    "Finland. Prohibition is enacted (1917), but quickly fails as illicit
    distribution overly burdens police and smuggling becomes widespread
    (1919-1920)."

    http://www.tc.columbia.edu/centers/cifas/drugsandsociety/background/chronologydruguse.html

    "Based on the report of a Wickershamian commission which recently
    probed Finnish prohibition, the preamble to the Government bill
    declared: "In the past twelve years Prohibition has not produced the
    changes in the nation's habits which were expected. . . . On the
    contrary, the law has been openly and persistently violated.'"

    Monday, Dec. 14, 1931 Time magazine

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,930037,00.html

    I once heard it asserted that in the interval when the
    eighteenth ammendment was enforced, the per-capita
    amount of alcohol consumed in the USA decreased, and
    after it was repealed the consumption remained
    considerably lower than before the enactment, but that
    seems to be erroneous.

    <URL:http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-157.html>

    Nineteenth century temperance movements were very effective.
    <URL:http://digital.lib.msu.edu/projects/ssb/index.cfm?CollectionID=64>

    One USA gallon of absolute alcohol is about 10 quarts
    of whisky. There is nothing to be gained by reducing
    per-capita consumption from 1.8 US gallon/ year, and no
    effective way to do it. The per-capita is computed from
    a drinking age of 15 years.

    --
    Michael Press

  17. Michael Press said:

    ...
    I once heard it asserted that in the interval when the
    eighteenth ammendment was enforced, the per-capita
    amount of alcohol consumed in the USA decreased, and
    after it was repealed the consumption remained
    considerably lower than before the enactment, but that
    seems to be erroneous....

    But hey, Prohibition was greatly profitable for organized crime, and
    the profits were used to invest in legitimate businesses for money
    laundering purposes.

    Of course, the process has been repeated for the last 3½ decades
    starting with "Nixon's War on Drugs", a plan that makes aluminium
    alloy, titanium alloy and carbon fiber composite spokes look simply
    brilliant.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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    Johnny Sunset said:
    Michael Press said:

    ...
    I once heard it asserted that in the interval when the
    eighteenth ammendment was enforced, the per-capita
    amount of alcohol consumed in the USA decreased, and
    after it was repealed the consumption remained
    considerably lower than before the enactment, but that
    seems to be erroneous....

    But hey, Prohibition was greatly profitable for organized crime, and
    the profits were used to invest in legitimate businesses for money
    laundering purposes.

    Of course, the process has been repeated for the last 3? decades
    starting with "Nixon's War on Drugs", a plan that makes aluminium
    alloy, titanium alloy and carbon fiber composite spokes look simply
    brilliant.

    It is simple, properly viewed. Let us be literal. The
    war on drugs is literally a drug war. The
    pharmaceutical companies purchased a franchise to sell
    drugs, and they expect the US government to live up to
    the terms of the franchise by putting out of business
    all competitors to the franchise holders. Walk into any
    pharmacy. Look at the shelves and shelves of
    pharmaceuticals available for immediate purchase. Those
    shelves turn over like a clock. Look at the lines of
    people at the dispensing pharmacy, waiting to have
    their prescriptions filled. Ka-ching.

    --
    Michael Press

  19. Quoted message said:

    Horrifyingly, many Finns defied their country's laws against liquor:

    Quoted message said:

    "Finland. Prohibition is enacted (1917), but quickly fails as illicit
    distribution overly burdens police and smuggling becomes widespread
    (1919-1920)."

    Certainly, but posing for self-incriminating photos in such a context
    does seem a bit over the top. (The law was originally approved already
    in 1907 but it didn't enter into force until 1919. Also, of course it
    ended on 5 Apr 32 at 10 o'clock, not 1934 as I wrote earlier.)

  20. (A R:nen) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Horrifyingly, many Finns defied their country's laws against liquor:

    Quoted message said:

    "Finland. Prohibition is enacted (1917), but quickly fails as illicit
    distribution overly burdens police and smuggling becomes widespread
    (1919-1920)."

    Certainly, but posing for self-incriminating photos in such a context
    does seem a bit over the top. (The law was originally approved already
    in 1907 but it didn't enter into force until 1919. Also, of course it
    ended on 5 Apr 32 at 10 o'clock, not 1934 as I wrote earlier.)

    The Prohibition law may have been exactly why they were showing off so --
    if it wasn't illegal, would *all three* have a liquor bottle and be
    defiantly showing it to the photographer?

    Jasper

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