Chain Cleaner

"Noel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi,

Has anyone any recommendations for these chain cleaning contraptions that
attach to the chain without having to remove it from the bike? They all
seem rather plastic and fragile but some must be better than others?

Also what chemical cocktails do people use them? Anything homemade or it
is best to use the ones proffered at the LBS?

I got a cleaner possibly from Halfords and use any Citrus type chain
cleaner. It works for me, but have only had it 12 months and used it 5 or 6
times.

Dave

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:14:36 GMT, Noel <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Has anyone any recommendations for these chain cleaning contraptions that
attach to the chain without having to remove it from the bike? They all
seem rather plastic and fragile but some must be better than others?

The Park Tools one seems well made (but still plastic)

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Also what chemical cocktails do people use them?

"Orange" solvent

Cheers

Neil

Noel said:

Hi,

Has anyone any recommendations for these chain cleaning contraptions that
attach to the chain without having to remove it from the bike? They all
seem rather plastic and fragile but some must be better than others?

Also what chemical cocktails do people use them? Anything homemade or it
is best to use the ones proffered at the LBS?

Cheers
Noel

I have one from Baberi. I thought it was good until I stepped on it
and broke the location for the gear loop. Several urcers recommended
removing the chain to clean, using a Wipperman link. I dismissed this
at first, but due to the high cost of the proper Campag link tool for
hollow rivet Record chains I plumped for one of these and I can't be
more pleased.

I use Finish Line degreaser, followed by a rinse, a good drying and
finally oiling with the oil that came with my Baberi thing.

David Lloyd (at work)

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Has anyone any recommendations for these chain cleaning contraptions that
attach to the chain without having to remove it from the bike?

Yes, don't use them. The Sheldon Shake is easier, quicker, more effective -
oh, and cheaper. Google for it.

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Also what chemical cocktails do people use them? Anything homemade or it
is best to use the ones proffered at the LBS?

White spirits is (IME) best, but I'm not sure whether it is biodegradable.
The citrus cleaners, which are biodegradable, are much less effective.

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Dave said:

"Noel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi,

Has anyone any recommendations for these chain cleaning contraptions that
attach to the chain without having to remove it from the bike? They all
seem rather plastic and fragile but some must be better than others?

Also what chemical cocktails do people use them? Anything homemade or it
is best to use the ones proffered at the LBS?

I got a cleaner possibly from Halfords and use any Citrus type chain
cleaner. It works for me, but have only had it 12 months and used it 5 or 6
times.

Dave

mmmm nice smelling chain!

Noel said:

Anything homemade or it
is best to use the ones proffered at the LBS?

White spirit - coke bottle - shake - dry - repeat - SAE90 Hypoid, sparingly
applied. Not very often.

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On 20/06/2007 15:14, Noel said,

Quoted message said:

Has anyone any recommendations for these chain cleaning contraptions that
attach to the chain without having to remove it from the bike? They all
seem rather plastic and fragile but some must be better than others?

It's much easier to have an SRAM chain with a PowerLink. No-tools chain
removal means you can pop it into a bottle of white spirit, jiggle it
about, let it dry overnight then re-lube.

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Also what chemical cocktails do people use them?

White spirit... Hope's Sh1t Shifter is quite good for general cleaning
of mucky drivetrains as well.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

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in message <[email hidden]>, Noel

(') said:

White spirits is (IME) best, but I'm not sure whether it is
biodegradable.

The citrus cleaners, which are biodegradable, are much less effective.

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[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

White spirits is not biodegradeable and shouldn't be poured down the drain.
However, it can be used for many washes after decanting it from the solids
after letting it settle after a cleaning session. There's usually a solvent
recycling facility at the local recycling centres.

FWIW I use paraffin to clean my chains.

vernon said:

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news:[email hidden]...> in message <[email hidden]>, Noel

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(') said:

White spirits is (IME) best, but I'm not sure whether it is
biodegradable.

The citrus cleaners, which are biodegradable, are much less effective.

Quoted message said:

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[email hidden] (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

White spirits is not biodegradeable and shouldn't be poured down the drain.
However, it can be used for many washes after decanting it from the solids
after letting it settle after a cleaning session. There's usually a solvent
recycling facility at the local recycling centres.

FWIW I use paraffin to clean my chains.

I used Diesel, have done for years with no problems. Can be used over
and over.

vernon said:

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in message <[email hidden]>, Noel

(') said:

White spirits is (IME) best, but I'm not sure whether it is
biodegradable.

The citrus cleaners, which are biodegradable, are much less effective.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

White spirits is not biodegradeable and shouldn't be poured down the drain.

Is this is because it blocks drains or because the small amount used
cleaning a chain poses an environmental hazard?

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However, it can be used for many washes after decanting it from the solids
after letting it settle after a cleaning session. There's usually a solvent
recycling facility at the local recycling centres.

Why not burn it? Surely better than driving to a recycling centre.

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FWIW I use paraffin to clean my chains.

"Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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White spirits is not biodegradeable and shouldn't be poured down the
drain.

Is this is because it blocks drains or because the small amount used
cleaning a chain poses an environmental hazard?

Same reason as why you shouldn't pour old motor oil down the drain - it
doesn't block it, but it is toxic and in the case of white spirits,
flammable. This applies regardless of amount.

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Why not burn it? Surely better than driving to a recycling centre.

With care, this is feasible.

cheers,
clive

Clive George said:

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Quoted message said:

White spirits is not biodegradeable and shouldn't be poured down the
drain.

Is this is because it blocks drains or because the small amount used
cleaning a chain poses an environmental hazard?

Same reason as why you shouldn't pour old motor oil down the drain - it
doesn't block it, but it is toxic and in the case of white spirits,
flammable. This applies regardless of amount.

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Why not burn it? Surely better than driving to a recycling centre.

With care, this is feasible.

I burn it. Get a jam jar, drill a hole in the lid, put the paraffin in
it (only the bit you couldn't save after waiting for it to settle etc.),
make a sort of wick out of a bit of old cloth, thread it through the
hole, ignite, enjoy candlelit dinner.

Not sure if white spirit burns as cleanly as paraffin though, it seems
to give off rather a lot of black smoke.

Clive George said the following on 21/06/2007 17:40:

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Why not burn it? Surely better than driving to a recycling centre.

Why not walk or cycle to a recycling centre? (No pun intended!)

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Clive George said the following on 21/06/2007 17:40:

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Why not burn it? Surely better than driving to a recycling centre.

Why not walk or cycle to a recycling centre? (No pun intended!)

Some of them won't let you in on foot or by bike...

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Dave Larrington said the following on 22/06/2007 10:35:

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Some of them won't let you in on foot or by bike...

Seriously?

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Dave Larrington said the following on 22/06/2007 10:35:

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Some of them won't let you in on foot or by bike...

Seriously?

Yep. Mine for one, and I think I've heard of one in Lancaster which is
similarly restricted.

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"Noel" <[email hidden]> wrote >

Quoted message said:

Has anyone any recommendations for these chain cleaning contraptions that
attach to the chain without having to remove it from the bike? They all
seem rather plastic and fragile but some must be better than others?

Also what chemical cocktails do people use them? Anything homemade or it
is best to use the ones proffered at the LBS?

The visible bits of a chain don't need cleaning & lubing. It is the pins
that really need it. The problem with trying to shift the dirt by bathing &
brushing is that the solvent just swishes the dirt into the delicate bits.

On the basis that thorough cleaning is either ineffective or possibly
counter productive I just dab on a thin mix of white spirit and engine oil
(about 3 or 4 to 1). My hypothesis is that the spirit works the oil in
leaving the dirt where it is and then evaporates out leaving a smear of oil
in the right places. A minimal amount of oil on the outer parts leaves it
less likely to pick up crud, leading to the need for further cleaning.

I have to say this is also the most successful way I have found of keeping
the chain running smoothly without attention after being washed by rain.
This suggests that thicker lubricants or waxes never properly reach the
places where it is really needed.