CSC release drug data...

I think it means they aren't using EPO...... but some other drug that has yet to be tested for that lets you climb a mountain at an unfeasable rate ,its also ironic that the graph doesn't go high enough for Riis ...circa 1996 😄

Seriously though its just letting the public know that the crit level over a period of time hasn't breached the rules....you gotta give it to 'em.....they're trying.

My first reaction was to give some credit for at least making an effort with drug testing. I'm not sure, though, that this stands up to closer examination. The head honchos at CSC, TM know the score and they are perfectly aware that there are a considerable range of PED's available for which there are no tests. (I'm sure that Drs. House and Cuddy will be along presently to confirm this). These strawmen with their tainted pasts nevertheless represent themselves as having taken the moral ground. By waving their ethical shrouds in public they are seeking to convince us that they have put a cap on drug assisted cheating. They are playing this game for their own narrow, sectional interests and in doing so they are taking us for fools, a modus vivendi that has indeed served them well over the years. Things might change, but not by very much.

Gregers said:

My first reaction was to give some credit for at least making an effort with drug testing. I'm not sure, though, that this stands up to closer examination. The head honchos at CSC, TM know the score and they are perfectly aware that there are a considerable range of PED's available for which there are no tests. (I'm sure that Drs. House and Cuddy will be along presently to confirm this). These strawmen with their tainted pasts nevertheless represent themselves as having taken the moral ground. By waving their ethical shrouds in public they are seeking to convince us that they have put a cap on drug assisted cheating. They are playing this game for their own narrow, sectional interests and in doing so they are taking us for fools, a modus vivendi that has indeed served them well over the years. Things might change, but not by very much.

i'd read it but let me guess, it's just yet another article on dopeing, thats all this site seems to be about now days. This site used to be a good source of info, and used to be interesting, now everything that is discussed ends up in a discussion about dopeing. is anyone else over the whole dopeing afair and just wanting to discuss cycling in it's purity which im sure we all started going to this site for, or is it just me???

Shoud we really TRUST but verify CSC records?????

That T-Mobile biomarker program was impressive transparacy too, eh?

Bjarne Riis a steroid & EPO gone natural with those two Schleck boys, ya think?

Maybe FFF (Floyd Fairness Fund) or TBV (Trust but Verify) is honest too?

It is just more smoke.

Don't waste you time on it.

The question was about drugs.
I answered it accordingly.
The title was a bit of a hint about the subject matter-there is no compulsion to read it if you don't like it.
If it bothers you so much you can always start your own thread about the purity of cycling, if you are deluded enough to believe that such a thing exists.
And that is the crux of the problem.

Scotttri said:

i'd read it but let me guess, it's just yet another article on dopeing, thats all this site seems to be about now days. This site used to be a good source of info, and used to be interesting, now everything that is discussed ends up in a discussion about dopeing. is anyone else over the whole dopeing afair and just wanting to discuss cycling in it's purity which im sure we all started going to this site for, or is it just me???

Hard to be a sportsman/woman these day. They are turning into pin-cushions. :eek:

sogood said:

Hard to be a sportsman/woman these day. They are turning into pin-cushions. :eek:

the thought that popped in my head when i saw the hematocrit graph was that it was very close to my own hematocrit numbers when i was using testosterone cream & injections. my hematocrit level was in the 43- 44 range before i started then shot up to 48 - 49 shortly after starting. the declining hematocrit looked like what happens when one reduces testosterone over time. the additional hematocrit coupled with decreased recovery times was an unexpected benefit from therapy that helped improve the quality of my cycling workouts (aside from libido-related expected benefits).

i am not a doctor, nor a professional bike racer. I am a middle aged male who happens to ride bikes recreationally who has undergone treatment for low testosterone as part of a hormone replacement program for middle aged males. i don't know what constitutes a "microdose" but the amount i was taking was probably pretty low. hematocrit was measured quarterly along with a laundry list of other blood markers that my doctor was watching. My doctor warned me that if my hematocrit ever hit 50%, that i would need to take aspirin as a blood thinner or occasionally donate blood.

i laugh every time i read folks like Landis and his doctors claim that testosterone is not beneficial to endurance athletes. they know better.....