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  1. Whats the deal? AE bike seems to have jacked their prices up to UDC
    levels...

    their kh 29 is 600 bucks now 🙁

    a month (or more) ago before they sold out is was under 500...

    UDC must have sent them a 'message' ("uh you gotta raise yer prices or
    someone might have an accident"😉

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  2. I am crying. Well, not really. I feel bad about it. I hug my 360$ KH 20,
    wipe a tear for the rest of you all. And think how great it is to be
    part of a forum that convinced me it was the real deal.😄
    But yeah, how sad if .......sniff...snifff...oh I can't type
    anymore....ahhhh ha ha ha..

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  3. anton005 said:

    Whats the deal? AE bike seems to have jacked their prices up to UDC
    levels...

    their kh 29 is 600 bucks now 🙁

    a month (or more) ago before they sold out is was under 500...

    UDC must have sent them a 'message' ("uh you gotta raise yer prices or
    someone might have an accident"😉

    Their price was still low just a couple days ago when I checked it.
    Glad I don't need any more unis right now.

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  4. anton005 said:

    UDC must have sent them a 'message'...

    Prove it and you can get UDC prosecuted for price fixing.

    My personal theory is that everyone that kept discussing AE Bike’s
    prices ad infinitum
    (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60873) finally
    caused the price difference to appear on someone’s radar. If that
    someone was AE Bike, who realized that they could make more profit,
    then everything’s fine (legally, but you may not like it). If it was
    UDC or Kris who “brought the difference to their attention”, then,
    depending on exactly what was said, it could be price fixing.

    You might as well give up on trying to prove anything; it’s too small a
    business circle, though Kris’ post on the “problem” with AE Bike’s low
    prices wouldn’t look good in court – that post was a -severe- business
    mistake in my opinion, especially given the price change immediately
    afterwards.

    So perhaps there’s a life lesson for the younger set in this – if you
    find a great deal by all means tell others about it, but keep it
    low-key. I fear the constant waving of the flag on this one spoiled it
    for everyone.

    Nah, when I was a teenager I wouldn’t listen to anyone my age either…
    🙂

    Roak

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  5. if kris told them to up their prices, that's not price fixing. that's
    simply having a min. retail price. tons of things have one. i know that
    most the bikes in my shop have a min and max retail price. like, you
    legally can't have it on the floor below $XX or above $YYY. if UDC did
    it, then it is price fixing. but from the other thread, it seems that
    kris might've said something.

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  6. Dang. Does anyone here have the slightest clue about retail and
    reselling? First of all I'm going to assume anton was making a joke.
    But some of you seem to have bought it as fact. If KH doesn't set any
    pricing rules, nobody should have a problem if one of their resellers
    uses a lower price. Happy customers! What I'm guessing is happeneing is
    that AE bike is learning that they have to support their customers,
    like UDC does, and this costs more than simply re-shipping a box from
    UDC or Kris Holm Cycles. They may have found out that people needed
    changes or corrections, or things sometimes get sent back, or various
    other things that convinced them they couldn't afford to sell the
    product at such a low margin.

    But that's just a guess. I'm sure they didn't suddenly go "look, we can
    make more profit by charging what those other guys do!" Those other
    guys were there first, and AE Bike is riding on their coattails. Their
    advantage is their lower price, because they aren't unicycle experts.
    If they raise theirs for no reason, someone else is just going to come
    along and sell at their previously low price.

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  7. I'm kicking myself for not jumping on the KH20 deal. I was going to get
    one for my son as an upgrade from his Torker LX for his birthday in
    August. I sorta decided it was too early that I'd never be able to
    keep it put away that long (as in I'd end up riding it haha) but now
    looks like I blew it.

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  8. I just spoke with Colin, who runs the AE bike website; his father owns
    the business. Since I was also very concerned about this KH issue, I
    asked him some questions about *WHY* AE bike raised their prices on ALL
    KH products, and why their prices are now *identical* to UDC.

    Since I don't want to inadvertantly misquote Colin, I asked him if he
    would be so kind as to make a post in RSU asap, and try to explain why
    this happened. Now obviously he didn't have to agree to this, but said
    he would post a message sometime this afternoon. I

    It -does- appear that they have been "cut off" from the KH supplier due
    to an "agreement issue", but I trust Colin will elaborate on that. At
    least their shipping costs are still the lowest I've ever seen! 🙂

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  9. Terry, you're a busy little beaver, aren't you?

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  10. steveyo said:

    Terry, you're a busy little *beave*r, aren't you?

    Haha, I'd say more like a "Watchdog!" 😄
    I just don't like mysteries! Well, unless they star Bogart!😎

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  11. aaaaaaaaaaaaargh i was just about to buy the KH 29"!!!!!!!😠 😠
    😠

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  12. Yea..there goes AE's business from unicyclists

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  13. MuniAddict said:


    Since I don't want to inadvertantly misquote Colin, I asked him if he
    would be so kind as to make a post in RSU asap, and try to explain why
    this happened. Now obviously he didn't have to agree to this, but said
    he would post a message sometime this afternoon.

    cbsteven said:

    Hey Guys,
    One of your forum regulars, Terry, called me earlier and expressed some
    of the concerned that have been raised on this thread, and suggested I
    introduce myself and tell you guys what I told him.

    First point. I would prefer to have our KH products listed at the
    prices we did last week (maybe a little bit higher, our flat shipping
    rates of 7.50 were getting killed by the actual UPS costs).

    What has happened with KH is what has happened with a couple dozen
    manufacturer's whose products we sell, since we began getting popular
    in 2003ish. We thought it was price fixing at first, but saw the pretty
    sad reality that it's just the currently legal way of regulating
    prices.

    Basically, as a retailer, we have the right to sell our products for
    whatever price we like. However, a manufacturer also has the right to
    sell IT's products to whatever dealers it likes, and can cut anybody
    off for any reason.
    They can give you a list of minimum suggested retail prices, or minimum
    advertised prices, tell you that those prices are what is recommended,
    and then in a separate paragraph remind you that you can sell for what
    you like, but you may get cut off for any time and for any reason.

    I discovered that we had been cut off from purchasing KH products on
    Wednesday the 13th. I had not previously been aware of any MSRPs or
    MAPs on KH products, but have since received a list of those prices.

    Obviously I don't like this. I appreciate Kris posting in the thread,
    and he seems like a good guy. But I disagree with his assessment. If,
    as he said, we could not afford to sell products at that low of a
    profit, then the problem would take care of itself.. the market would
    either put us out of business or we'd realize we have to raise prices
    in order to pay the rent.

    Last point, as I said originally, we can still sell at whatever price
    we want. So if you drop us an email I'm sure I can still extend our
    original price.

    Thanks!
    Cullen
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    Now I'm going tosit back and watch a 15 and a 16 year old discuss the
    concept 'childish'.
    Should be fun.

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    scooters are like fat chicks, they're only fun to ride if nobody sees
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  14. I was totally joking. I didn't mean any harm or point any fingers at
    anyone for anything, just a wise-ass making a joke...

    Anyway, looks like we may still have the hookup... 🙂

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  15. I totally feel that AEbikes was strong amed here. They seem like a very
    honest LBS. I have to disagree with what John Foss said "that they are
    finally learning the retailing business." AEbikes have been around the
    block and have been a bike retaitler for quite some time. They know
    thier business. I really admire Kris Holm but am disapointed in what he
    has done here. I feel that this totally cancels out his "1% for the
    planet" and other good deeds. Earlier I posted that once KH sells to a
    dealler the price at what the dealler sells should be none of his
    business and it does not effect his profits. The fact that AEbikes has
    to advertise the price at exaclty the same price as UDC sucks ass big
    time and maybe there actually is a great court case here. Also I posted
    the price comparisons between Unicycle.com, AEbikes and Municycle.com.
    As you can see below Roland from MDC sells his KHs at prices closer to
    AEb than UDC! If he can do it then why can't UDC with thier bigger
    business. This move is definitely going to hurt KH sales in the long
    run. KH manufactures the best unicycle but I will repair my current
    ones or look for second hand ones before I buy a new one at the current
    UDC price. I would even order from MDC and pay the higher shipping than
    order from UDC!

    [censored] -AEb -MDC -UDC
    KH20 $363 $444 $499
    KH24 $417 $478 $575
    KH29 $435 $500 $599

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  16. This just about means I will never be buying a kh🙂 ...... I commend AE
    for wiping out there business from unicyclist🙂 and if it wasn't them
    who decided the price change that sucks....... I'll just go koxx or
    custom(whcih is what i am doing!😄)... but yeah...

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  17. Should read this thread from product reviews.
    http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60873
    Kris posted, and also a Rep from AE Bike.😎

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  18. And check this out. This is from UDC US. You can buy a radial 360, *AND*
    a numbus 36 frame, and have BOTH frames and a complete 36er for *LESS*
    than the price of just the nimbus 36 alone! Here's proof: The standard
    radial 360 is $339. Add $120 more for the nimbus frame and you have a
    total of $459! (both radial and nimbus standard 36 have *exactly* the
    same wheelset)

    Now you have a complete 36er and TWO frames! Compare this with the cost
    of *just* the nimbus 36er at $515. The first way is not only $56
    cheaper, but you get BOTH frames as well. Very odd pricing system UDC
    has, for sure.😕

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  19. is someone getting a coker?

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  20. I just checked. So the regular nimbus is overpriced ?😕

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