Tyler and OP

Mtventoux said:

Here's what I dont understand. TH has been banned for two years, so if he were part of OP, it would have to have been doping from two years or more ago, possibly even the blood he was found positive for and received his two year ban. Hasn't he already served his time, even if this is a new revelation? It's like they caught him, suspended him.....and now thy want to suspend im again for the same offense because they found the source now, and his association with Fuentes? I don't get it?

As far as I can tell, the last thing that happened was UCI forwarded the Operation Puerto stuff to USA Cycling last September and asked them to consider discipline. USA Cycling referred it to US Anti-Doping Agency and I haven't heard of any further action. Has anyone else?

Tinkoff suspending Tyler is entirely a matter of internal team decision.

However, given that OP seems to prove that Tyler is a lying douche-bag and that Tyler lied left and right to UCI, USA Cycling, in his appeals, and to his fans, we might as well be thankful the jerk is suspended by his team.

I personally never call people liars. I much prefer saying that Tyler Hamilton is a dishonest douche-bag and deserves what is coming to him. He could have fessed up and earned my respect. Instead he choose to be a dishonest douche-bag. I like that phrase even though I haven't used it since eigth grade...yep, Tyler Hamilton is a douche-bag. He can still earn my respect by coming clean. I will always respect his toughness and the fact that he is so soft spoken. He generally seems like a good guy. But for now, until he tells the truth, he is a douche-bag. [censored] wad is another good phrase that should be revisitted. Tyler Hamilton is a [censored] wad.

tcklyde said:

As far as I can tell, the last thing that happened was UCI forwarded the Operation Puerto stuff to USA Cycling last September and asked them to consider discipline. USA Cycling referred it to US Anti-Doping Agency and I haven't heard of any further action. Has anyone else?

Tinkoff suspending Tyler is entirely a matter of internal team decision.

However, given that OP seems to prove that Tyler is a lying douche-bag and that Tyler lied left and right to UCI, USA Cycling, in his appeals, and to his fans, we might as well be thankful the jerk is suspended by his team.

The real irony of the whole thing is, he could probably get off now by amitting that his involvement in OP is what got him caught for his suspension in the first place. If he had just admitted everything up front and taken his 2 year medicine he would probably be starting the Giro. But to admit it now after so many lies and taking money from people based on lies for his defence. Its like MacBeth being so steeped in blood (pun intended).

Frigo's Luggage said:

I personally never call people liars. I much prefer saying that Tyler Hamilton is a dishonest douche-bag and deserves what is coming to him. He could have fessed up and earned my respect. Instead he choose to be a dishonest douche-bag. I like that phrase even though I haven't used it since eigth grade...yep, Tyler Hamilton is a douche-bag. He can still earn my respect by coming clean. I will always respect his toughness and the fact that he is so soft spoken. He generally seems like a good guy. But for now, until he tells the truth, he is a douche-bag. [censored] wad is another good phrase that should be revisitted. Tyler Hamilton is a [censored] wad.

Good point about "[censored] wad." I haven't used that one in a while. As for Tyler ever coming clean, this is from his website, which is a pretty sad affair these days. He writes:

Quoted post said:

I'm sorry you feel frustration toward my case and situation, however, you should also know that I will never admit to doing something I didn't do. Not today, not ever.

davidbod said:

The real irony of the whole thing is, he could probably get off now by amitting that his involvement in OP is what got him caught for his suspension in the first place. If he had just admitted everything up front and taken his 2 year medicine he would probably be starting the Giro. But to admit it now after so many lies and taking money from people based on lies for his defence. Its like MacBeth being so steeped in blood (pun intended).

If you subscribe to the theory that Hamilton got his blood mixed up with someone else then his course of action was understandable and rational. He believed he was doping with his own blood so that the positive test must be wrong. He would have thought that his lawyers would be able to prove his "innocence." Once he started down that path of denial, there was no turning back.

Bro Deal said:

If you subscribe to the theory that Hamilton got his blood mixed up with someone else then his course of action was understandable and rational. He believed he was doping with his own blood so that the positive test must be wrong. He would have thought that his lawyers would be able to prove his "innocence." Once he started down that path of denial, there was no turning back.

I agree. Tyler probably never attempted to dope with another person's blood, and as far as he was aware he hadn't. It's just that someone mixed up somehow and he ended up doping with another person's blood. Therefore he felt justified to state that he had never doped with someone else's blood. At that point he probably wasn't aware of the mix-up. He has also stated, when questionned about Fuentes, that he "never met the man" which is also probably true - he would have met couriers or associates, and dealt with him by phone/fax. However, he has never publicly stated that he is not a douche-bag, a [censored]-wad, or a complete and utter f**k-wit. 😄

Rolfrae said:

I agree. Tyler probably never attempted to dope with another person's blood, and as far as he was aware he hadn't. It's just that someone mixed up somehow and he ended up doping with another person's blood. Therefore he felt justified to state that he had never doped with someone else's blood. At that point he probably wasn't aware of the mix-up. He has also stated, when questionned about Fuentes, that he "never met the man" which is also probably true - he would have met couriers or associates, and dealt with him by phone/fax. However, he has never publicly stated that he is not a douche-bag, a [censored]-wad, or a complete and utter f**k-wit. 😄

Was the mix up before or after the unborn congenital twin brother?

He had to have known what had happened, after both he and Santi Perez were nailed. And there's no question that self blood doping is clearly against the rules. So while what he said was true, it has a huge asterisk at the end of it.

The pity is - had he shown a whit of character, come clean and admitted what he had done, Puerto would have been avoided. That's the real crime in all of this. For decades, cycling has operated on a 'gentleman's code' - waiting for a fallen leader, not taking a stage if you don't need it, etc... This current crop of dope fueled riders dishonors that tradition. They aren't cyclists, just money making machines. The ego of these people must be unbelievable.

Rolfrae said:

I agree. Tyler probably never attempted to dope with another person's blood, and as far as he was aware he hadn't. It's just that someone mixed up somehow and he ended up doping with another person's blood. Therefore he felt justified to state that he had never doped with someone else's blood. At that point he probably wasn't aware of the mix-up. He has also stated, when questionned about Fuentes, that he "never met the man" which is also probably true - he would have met couriers or associates, and dealt with him by phone/fax. However, he has never publicly stated that he is not a douche-bag, a [censored]-wad, or a complete and utter f**k-wit. 😄

JohnO said:

He had to have known what had happened, after both he and Santi Perez were nailed. And there's no question that self blood doping is clearly against the rules. So while what he said was true, it has a huge asterisk at the end of it.

The pity is - had he shown a whit of character, come clean and admitted what he had done, Puerto would have been avoided. That's the real crime in all of this. For decades, cycling has operated on a 'gentleman's code' - waiting for a fallen leader, not taking a stage if you don't need it, etc... This current crop of dope fueled riders dishonors that tradition. They aren't cyclists, just money making machines. The ego of these people must be unbelievable.

Believe me, I'm not defending the [censored], just saying how he might have justified his actions to himself. He learnt his trade at US Postal, the Harvard of dope, but obviously forgot to go to the classes on how not to get caught.

Well the OP implicated cyclists have got together and are wanting to strike a deal. Naturally they want to minimize their suspension. I believe in spain, if a cyclist cooperates in a doping investigation he can get suspension of one year instead of two.

Rolfrae said:

Believe me, I'm not defending the [censored], just saying how he might have justified his actions to himself. He learnt his trade at US Postal, the Harvard of dope, but obviously forgot to go to the classes on how not to get caught.

He could also have learned it at CSC. Plenty of experience there.

Rolfrae said:

Believe me, I'm not defending the [censored], just saying how he might have justified his actions to himself. He learnt his trade at US Postal, the Harvard of dope, but obviously forgot to go to the classes on how not to get caught.

But, how can you be suspended again for something you were already suspended for. He was accused and suspended for doping, specifically blood doping. So, they didn't know it was with Fuentes....but he was caught and punished. Now, they find Fuentes notes and learn Hamilton was doping through him two years or more ago. Now, they want to bust him again? I just don't get it. I understand that this makes him less credible and exposes him as a liar, but he did serve a suspension for this crime! Unless this is a new doping accusation, why does the revelation that he was doping through Fuentes matter at all?

Bro Deal said:

If you subscribe to the theory that Hamilton got his blood mixed up with someone else then his course of action was understandable and rational. He believed he was doping with his own blood so that the positive test must be wrong. He would have thought that his lawyers would be able to prove his "innocence." Once he started down that path of denial, there was no turning back.

This is the most plausible theory, but I am beginning to lean towards a different one: Tyler started out autologous blood doping because hey, that is what everyone was doing. But then he got greedy. He wanted to race some classics and the Dauphine and the TdF, and then after crashing out of the TdF, he wanted to do the Olympics and Vuelta. The problem is that he didn't have enough blood stored up and he couldn't afford to have an extraction on this busy schedule. So he decided to take a chance and "borrow" some blood from someone else. Then, boom! He gets caught.

The guy is a flat out liar, so I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to decide how he justifies his lies to himself. For someone has morally bankrupt as he is, who cares?

tcklyde said:

The guy is a flat out liar, so I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to decide how he justifies his lies to himself. For someone has morally bankrupt as he is, who cares?

Good point. Tyler who? Who gives a flying f**k. He's dead to anyone who cares about clean sport.

Mtventoux said:

But, how can you be suspended again for something you were already suspended for. He was accused and suspended for doping, specifically blood doping. So, they didn't know it was with Fuentes....but he was caught and punished. Now, they find Fuentes notes and learn Hamilton was doping through him two years or more ago. Now, they want to bust him again? I just don't get it. I understand that this makes him less credible and exposes him as a liar, but he did serve a suspension for this crime! Unless this is a new doping accusation, why does the revelation that he was doping through Fuentes matter at all?

When you play some sport like football, if a player has not a good behaviour with spectators he can be exclude. I think " Believe Tyler" was enough to exclude him since his lies are discovered. He bet, he lost!
Honestly I don't want see him on the road, maybe some spectators are more upset...
And what about sponsors, TV, and other medias?

Well, yes and no. He was banned for homologous blood doping - using someone else's blood. The second charge (if it sticks) would be for autologous blood doping - using your own blood. A reasonable interpretation would be that the ban covered both offenses. A hardcore interpretation would be that it does not.

In their haste to attack the doping problem, the authorities should be careful not to toss due process completely out. Granted, with half the pro peloton blood doping (and maybe the other half, too), drastic measures are called for. But... the same harsh measures taken in the name of anti-doping could also be applied for nationalistic or commercial purposes.

Mtventoux said:

But, how can you be suspended again for something you were already suspended for. He was accused and suspended for doping, specifically blood doping. So, they didn't know it was with Fuentes....but he was caught and punished. Now, they find Fuentes notes and learn Hamilton was doping through him two years or more ago. Now, they want to bust him again? I just don't get it. I understand that this makes him less credible and exposes him as a liar, but he did serve a suspension for this crime! Unless this is a new doping accusation, why does the revelation that he was doping through Fuentes matter at all?

Looks like Oleg has seen the 6000 page dossier and knows Tyler is fully implicated with Fuentes....... not that we didn't now that already....
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Tinkov expressed his frustration with the scandals to Cyclingnews earlier this week, and Hamilton in particular was the subject of the Russian's vitriol. "I was clear to my management. I don't want to see him in the team," Tinkov said to Cyclingnews from his office in Moscow. Hamilton was under contract with the team, but in Tinkov's mind, he is no longer a part of the squad after being suspended following the revitalised Puerto investigation. "I want to fire him. That is it. To me he is fired. With the legal perspective it is tricky. I am fed up with Hamilton's type of scandals."

Cyclingnews met with Tinkov in January at the team's presentation in Rome, and we were curious what had changed between then and now, six months later. "I have to admit that I made a mistake. I believed in this guy and I tried to help him. However, more and more, with the development of the situation of [Ivan] Basso, and everybody else who starts to confess, I just realized that there was a case and then I decided that I don't want to deal with it anymore. I don't want to see Hondo, Jaksche and Tyler anymore in my team. That is it."

whiteboytrash said:

Looks like Oleg has seen the 6000 page dossier and knows Tyler is fully implicated with Fuentes....... not that we didn't now that already....

I don't read it that way. It looks like Tinkov hired a gaggle of dopers to bolster the strength of his team. When he realized that he did not need them and with race directors breathing down his neck, he is covering his ass. It all seems like a rather cynical way to use the riders and then play stupid when things don't turn out.

Lance Armstrong's SI interview reads just like Jan Ulrich/Roid Landis/Marion Jones.

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Maybe they are all the same person?

Nike controls good PR. Kobe Bryant raped a 19 year old and they fixed it.