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  1. from the New York Times:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/science/12dog.html

    [...]
    A mutation similar to the one that makes some whippets faster also
    exists in humans: a sliver of genetic code that regulates muscle
    development, is missing.

    "It would be extremely interesting to do tests on the track finalists
    at the Olympics," said Elaine Ostrander, the scientist at the National
    Institutes of Health who discovered that the fastest whippets had a
    single defective copy of the myostatin gene, while "bullies" had two.

    "But we wouldn't know what to do with the information," Ms. Ostrander
    said. "Are we going to segregate the athletes who have the mutation to
    run separately?" For the moment, it is whippet owners who find
    themselves on the edge of that particular bioethical frontier.

    It was not exactly news to breeders that speed is an inherited trait:
    whippets were developed in the late 1800s specifically for racing. But
    knowing that one of her dogs was sired by a carrier of the gene, said
    Jen Jensen, a whippet owner in Fair Oaks, Calif., makes its
    championships seem "less earned." Ms. Jensen's suggestion that a DNA
    test be required for all dogs and that the fastest ones without the
    mutation be judged and raced separately, however, has not gone over
    well.

    At a recent race here in southern New Jersey, some whippet owners
    wanted the mutation eliminated altogether, even if that meant fewer
    fast dogs. But as the dogs pounded after a lure at 35 miles per hour,
    several owners allowed that they would prefer a whippet with the gene
    for speed.

    "It's more fun having fast dogs than slow dogs," said Libby Kirchner,
    of Glassboro, N.J.
    [...]

  2. Quoted message said:

    "But we wouldn't know what to do with the information," Ms. Ostrander
    said.

    Sure we do.

    1. Raise taxes.
    2. Form a new guvmint agency.
    3. Regulate industry.
    4. Stop global warming, since it is making Joe fat.

  3. SLAVE of THE STATE said:
    Quoted message said:

    "But we wouldn't know what to do with the information," Ms. Ostrander
    said.

    Sure we do.

    1. Raise taxes.
    2. Form a new guvmint agency.
    3. Regulate industry.
    4. Stop global warming, since it is making Joe fat.

    5. Pass a [censored] load of new laws. (Actually this is 1, 2, 3, and 4
    together.)

  4. How silly, we all know that genetics matter but I guess if we know
    exactly what gene matters well then it's objectionable? So if they
    identify a gene that contributes to being tall are they going to start
    banning basketball players who have it?

    I'm surprised the author didn't bring up the known human case of the
    defective myostatin gene. IIRC, it was identified in a German boy
    because he was abnormally heavily muscled and strong as a small
    child. I believe the mother was a former very good sprinter, although
    I don't know if she was Olympic calibre or not.

  5. Quoted message said:

    So if they identify a gene that contributes to being tall are they going to start
    banning basketball players who have it?

    Not "banning", "breeding"... some countries think longer term than
    others...

  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So if they identify a gene that contributes to being tall are they going to start
    banning basketball players who have it?

    Not "banning", "breeding"... some countries think longer term than
    others...

    Most countries think in terms bleeding, not breeding. THat's short
    and long term.

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So if they identify a gene that contributes to being tall are they going to start
    banning basketball players who have it?

    Not "banning", "breeding"... some countries think longer term than
    others...

    There have been dozens of genes that have been identified as related
    to athletic performance. One has to assume that successful athletes
    in all sports have been so because of genetic advantages. Of course,
    the possibility of gene doping has taken this to a new level. And the
    possibility of breeding humans to do well in a specific sport will
    eventually become a reality.

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    How silly, we all know that genetics matter but I guess if we know
    exactly what gene matters well then it's objectionable? So if they
    identify a gene that contributes to being tall are they going to start
    banning basketball players who have it?

    Dumbass: yes, they are:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2165330/

    Philippines Basketball Association. Import players are limited to 6'6".
    Astoundingly, despite a required official measurement before getting to
    play in the league, cheating was rife: they'd just hunch a bit.

    In 2005, they started measuring the athletes while lying down, and with
    officials pinning their knees, shoulders, and head so they didn't slouch.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm surprised the author didn't bring up the known human case of the
    defective myostatin gene. IIRC, it was identified in a German boy
    because he was abnormally heavily muscled and strong as a small
    child. I believe the mother was a former very good sprinter, although
    I don't know if she was Olympic calibre or not.

    Soon, not having gene therapy will be like not getting your eyes lasered
    or your face botoxed: bad grooming.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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