Vindicated

I think it's good that doctors will not dance around the subject.

As I am sure you recall, I criticized you for making FUN of the fat
kids, publicly. The kid was even on a bike, so he was trying to get
fit.

Did the article recommend that the doctors post a photo of a fat kid
and make fun of him?

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Bill C <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Just to give Chiefie something to rave about for the rest of the year:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003744914_webama12.html

The recommendations were posted on the AMA's Web site last week. They
have been endorsed by most of the organizations on the committee,
including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Dietetic
Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
and the American College of Preventive Medicine, an AMA spokesperson
said.

Bill C
At least the truth and facts give you something concrete to work with
to solve a problem. Fuzzy feelings give fuzzy results.
"something like 2 plus something like 7 equals something like 10"

But how do you tell this to parents who figure their kids look just like
them ?

My dad liked the term "portly" during one of his grander periods.
--
Sandy
--
Il n'est aucune sorte de sensation qui soit plus vive
que celle de la douleur ; ses impressions sont sûres,
elles ne trompent point comme celles du plaisir.
- de Sade.

Sandy said:

Dans le message denews:[email hidden],
Bill C <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Just to give Chiefie something to rave about for the rest of the year:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003744914_webama12...

Quoted message said:

The recommendations were posted on the AMA's Web site last week. They
have been endorsed by most of the organizations on the committee,
including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Dietetic
Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
and the American College of Preventive Medicine, an AMA spokesperson
said.

Quoted message said:

Bill C
At least the truth and facts give you something concrete to work with
to solve a problem. Fuzzy feelings give fuzzy results.
"something like 2 plus something like 7 equals something like 10"

But how do you tell this to parents who figure their kids look just like
them ?

My dad liked the term "portly" during one of his grander periods.
--
Sandy
--
Il n'est aucune sorte de sensation qui soit plus vive
que celle de la douleur ; ses impressions sont sûres,
elles ne trompent point comme celles du plaisir.
- de Sade.

Bout De Saindoux?

Quoted message said:

I think it's good that doctors will not dance around the subject.

As I am sure you recall, I criticized you for making FUN of the fat
kids, publicly. The kid was even on a bike, so he was trying to get
fit.

Did the article recommend that the doctors post a photo of a fat kid
and make fun of him?

Anyone could google the thread and read it. We had EXACTLY this
discussion and you called it abuse.
Bill C

Quoted message said:

Did the article recommend that the doctors post a photo of a fat kid
and make fun of him?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/adab8cc7e056f157

Bob Schwartz

Bill C said:

Quoted message said:

I think it's good that doctors will not dance around the subject.

Quoted message said:

As I am sure you recall, I criticized you for making FUN of the fat
kids, publicly. The kid was even on a bike, so he was trying to get
fit.

Quoted message said:

Did the article recommend that the doctors post a photo of a fat kid
and make fun of him?

Anyone could google the thread and read it. We had EXACTLY this
discussion and you called it abuse.

You can imagine why.......

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Just to give Chiefie something to rave about for the rest of the year:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003744914_webama12.html

The recommendations were posted on the AMA's Web site last week. They
have been endorsed by most of the organizations on the committee,
including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Dietetic
Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
and the American College of Preventive Medicine, an AMA spokesperson
said.

Bill C
At least the truth and facts give you something concrete to work with
to solve a problem. Fuzzy feelings give fuzzy results.
"something like 2 plus something like 7 equals something like 10"

With children it is always the parents fault. For
adults here is an overlooked aspect of the matter. Fat
people get something out of being fat, a benefit; else
they would not stay fat. Let them figure out what is
the benefit, then make an informed decision.

I also think too many people are labeled overweight,
and the risks of carrying an extra 10-15 pounds are
less than advertised.

Finally, extreme measures to reduce weight are counter
productive. Fat is stored against lean times. A radical
reduction in weight tells the body that it has
undergone a famine, and when food is available again
the body will store plenty of fat in order to weather
the next famine. Nature always wins.

--
Michael Press

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sandy said:

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Bill C <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Just to give Chiefie something to rave about for the rest of the year:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003744914_webama12.html

The recommendations were posted on the AMA's Web site last week. They
have been endorsed by most of the organizations on the committee,
including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Dietetic
Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
and the American College of Preventive Medicine, an AMA spokesperson
said.

Bill C
At least the truth and facts give you something concrete to work with
to solve a problem. Fuzzy feelings give fuzzy results.
"something like 2 plus something like 7 equals something like 10"

But how do you tell this to parents who figure their kids look just like
them ?

My dad liked the term "portly" during one of his grander periods.

Portly Masters?

portly: having a dignified and stately port, or demeanor.

Port, n. [F. port, fr. porter to carry, L. portare,
prob. akin to E. fare, v. See Port harbor, and cf.
Comport, Export, Sport.] The manner in which a person
bears himself; deportment; carriage; bearing; demeanor;
hence, manner or style of living; as, a proud port.
Spenser.

And of his port as meek as is a maid. Chaucer.
The necessities of pomp, grandeur, and a suitable port in the world. South.

What is the form of `portly' in French?

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Just to give Chiefie something to rave about for the rest of the year:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003744914_webama12...

Quoted message said:

The recommendations were posted on the AMA's Web site last week. They
have been endorsed by most of the organizations on the committee,
including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Dietetic
Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
and the American College of Preventive Medicine, an AMA spokesperson
said.

Quoted message said:

Bill C
At least the truth and facts give you something concrete to work with
to solve a problem. Fuzzy feelings give fuzzy results.
"something like 2 plus something like 7 equals something like 10"

With children it is always the parents fault. For
adults here is an overlooked aspect of the matter. Fat
people get something out of being fat, a benefit; else
they would not stay fat. Let them figure out what is
the benefit, then make an informed decision.

I also think too many people are labeled overweight,
and the risks of carrying an extra 10-15 pounds are
less than advertised.

Finally, extreme measures to reduce weight are counter
productive. Fat is stored against lean times. A radical
reduction in weight tells the body that it has
undergone a famine, and when food is available again
the body will store plenty of fat in order to weather
the next famine. Nature always wins.

--
Michael Press

Agreed on all counts. At least doctors in Britain are heading in the
right direction.:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,,2102832,00.html
Quoted:
Matthew Weaver
Thursday June 14, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

BMA to debate whether social workers should step in when children
become obese.

Doctors said today that childhood obesity should be treated as an act
of neglect by parents as reports claimed that obesity had played a
part in 20 child protection cases last year.

Everything I've seen says that obesity, especially for really young
kids is tremendously harmful later in life. Like you said a few extra
percent is nothing, especially for active kids, or people, but a lot
of cases are pretty extreme. Along with the physical issues, bullying
is a huge problem just about everywhere, and overweight kids are easy
and obvious targets. Unfortunately the PC crowd has gotten it's
britches in a bunch over, even the idea of, anyone telling kids or
parents that being 300lbs at 8 years old might not be a good thing.
Instead they are suing for wider seats on planes and in other public
places, and other accomadations.
We need to have an honest, open discussion just as we do on smoking,
and obesity isn't a whole lot less deadly, if at all. Letting people
die because we don't want to offend anyone is stupid.
Provide education and support for parents and kids, help in any way
we can, but pretending it"s not a problem that causes the need for
medical care that a [censored] of everyone's tax dollars go to pay for
is moronic. We tell kids about safe sex, smoking, drugs, etc...but we
can't tell them obesity is a bad thing??
Bill C

Sandy said:

Quoted message said:

My dad liked the term "portly" during one of his grander periods.

Michael Press said:

What is the form of `portly' in French?

gros

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Michael Press <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sandy said:

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Bill C <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Just to give Chiefie something to rave about for the rest of the
year:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003744914_webama12.html

The recommendations were posted on the AMA's Web site last week.
They have been endorsed by most of the organizations on the
committee, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the
American Dietetic Association, the American Academy of Child and
Adolescent Psychiatry and the American College of Preventive
Medicine, an AMA spokesperson said.

Bill C
At least the truth and facts give you something concrete to work
with to solve a problem. Fuzzy feelings give fuzzy results.
"something like 2 plus something like 7 equals something like 10"

But how do you tell this to parents who figure their kids look just
like them ?

My dad liked the term "portly" during one of his grander periods.

Portly Masters?

portly: having a dignified and stately port, or demeanor.

Port, n. [F. port, fr. porter to carry, L. portare,
prob. akin to E. fare, v. See Port harbor, and cf.
Comport, Export, Sport.] The manner in which a person
bears himself; deportment; carriage; bearing; demeanor;
hence, manner or style of living; as, a proud port.
Spenser.

And of his port as meek as is a maid. Chaucer.
The necessities of pomp, grandeur, and a suitable port in the world.
South.

What is the form of `portly' in French?

You missed the turn at the end of the hall - this is the RACING place.

Battling dictionaries ...

port·ly (comparative port·li·er, superlative port·li·est)

adjective

Definition:

1. slightly overweight: slightly overweight but dignified

2. stately: having an air of grandeur ( archaic )

[15th century. < port5 in the old sense "bearing, manner"]

port·li·ness noun

So once again you are proven wrong. And DFL.

By the way, a cultivated Frenchman would say "généreux".

Donald Munro said:

Sandy said:

Quoted message said:

My dad liked the term "portly" during one of his grander periods.

Michael Press said:

What is the form of `portly' in French?

gros

Rubenesque (f)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sandy said:

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Michael Press <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sandy said:

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Bill C <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> Just to give Chiefie something to rave about for the rest of the
> year:
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003744914_webama12.html
>
> The recommendations were posted on the AMA's Web site last week.
> They have been endorsed by most of the organizations on the
> committee, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the
> American Dietetic Association, the American Academy of Child and
> Adolescent Psychiatry and the American College of Preventive
> Medicine, an AMA spokesperson said.
>
> Bill C
> At least the truth and facts give you something concrete to work
> with to solve a problem. Fuzzy feelings give fuzzy results.
> "something like 2 plus something like 7 equals something like 10"

But how do you tell this to parents who figure their kids look just
like them ?

My dad liked the term "portly" during one of his grander periods.

Portly Masters?

portly: having a dignified and stately port, or demeanor.

Port, n. [F. port, fr. porter to carry, L. portare,
prob. akin to E. fare, v. See Port harbor, and cf.
Comport, Export, Sport.] The manner in which a person
bears himself; deportment; carriage; bearing; demeanor;
hence, manner or style of living; as, a proud port.
Spenser.

And of his port as meek as is a maid. Chaucer.
The necessities of pomp, grandeur, and a suitable port in the world.
South.

What is the form of `portly' in French?

You missed the turn at the end of the hall - this is the RACING place.

Battling dictionaries ...

port·ly (comparative port·li·er, superlative port·li·est)

adjective

Definition:

1. slightly overweight: slightly overweight but dignified

2. stately: having an air of grandeur ( archaic )

[15th century. < port5 in the old sense "bearing, manner"]

port·li·ness noun

So once again you are proven wrong. And DFL.

Wrong about what?

Quoted message said:

By the way, a cultivated Frenchman would say "généreux".

What do you say?

--
Michael Press