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  1. From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2

    "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
    Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
    Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
    Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
    the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
    blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
    final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."
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  2. On May 31, 8:07 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2

    "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
    Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
    Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
    Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
    the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
    blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
    final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."

    I'm metric-challenged. What's that in furlongs per fortnight?

    R

  3. On May 31, 5:07 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2

    "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
    Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
    Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
    Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
    the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
    blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
    final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."

    According to Lafferty this can only mean that Simoni is a doper.
    Remember, his claim was that since Lance's Tour times were faster than
    other's before him who were doping then he HAD to be doping to go
    faster.

  4. John Forrest Tomlinson schreef:

    Quoted message said:

    From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2

    "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
    Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
    Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
    Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
    the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
    blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM

    This is proof they didn't dope after all.

    --
    E. Dronkert

  5. RicodJour said:

    On May 31, 8:07 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2

    Quoted message said:

    "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
    Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
    Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
    Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
    the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
    blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
    final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."

    I'm metric-challenged. What's that in furlongs per fortnight?


    VAM is not really a useful measure of climbing speed. The steeper the
    climb, the higher the VAM will be for the same power output, compared
    to a shallower climb. So on a climb like Zoncolan, it will be pretty
    high. The only time you can fairly compare VAMs is when the climbs are
    of similar gradient. Then you may as well compare average speeds. Or
    power.

    Out of interest, I used http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm to
    estimate the power it would take someone of my weight (72kg ish) to
    get up Zoncolan on a 7kg bike. I included an extra couple of kilos for
    clothing/water. I would need to put about 455W if I did it on the tops
    of the bars without any pacing (Simoni had the benefit of this).
    That's about 100W more than I can do, but I'm a beer drinking journo,
    not a pro :-) Simoni also has the benefit of a lower body weight
    (62kg), so he'd need to crank out about 400W for the climb, or about
    6.45W/kg.

    What I'm sayin' is that I believe it's within the realms of
    possibility, even at the end of a 140km stage. And yes, I realise the
    above proof is not particularly scientific.

    Jeff

  6. Jeff Jones said:

    What I'm sayin' is that I believe it's within the realms of
    possibility, even at the end of a 140km stage. And yes, I realise the
    above proof is not particularly scientific.

    Who are we going to believe: you, or a gym teacher?

  7. in message <[email hidden]>,

    RicodJour (') said:

    On May 31, 8:07 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2

    "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
    Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
    Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
    Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
    the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
    blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
    final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."

    I'm metric-challenged. What's that in furlongs per fortnight?

    1,850 m/h = 3,090 f/f

    HTH

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    ;; a barrier of obscurity and secrets around the tools you
    ;; need to use your data does not help the economy or spur
    ;; innovation. - Waffle Iron Slashdot, June 16th, 2002

  8. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    RicodJour said:

    On May 31, 8:07 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2

    "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
    Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
    Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
    Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
    the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
    blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
    final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."

    I'm metric-challenged. What's that in furlongs per fortnight?

    $ units 1850*m/hr furlong/fortnight
    * 3089.9547
    / 0.00032362934

    --
    Michael Press

  9. Jeff Jones said:


    That's about 100W more than I can do, but I'm a beer drinking journo,

    In that case, this should help you with your hydration
    http://thebeerbelly.com/

    Jenko

  10. Jenko said:
    Jeff Jones said:

    That's about 100W more than I can do, but I'm a beer drinking journo,

    In that case, this should help you with your hydration http://thebeerbelly.com/


    Aha, we've discovered the real use for a hydration pack!

    Jeff

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