105 and Ultegra

Dropbear said:

Could someone please advise me whether Shimano 105 and Ultegra rear
deraillers are interchangeable? They look pretty much the same and If I
can pick an Ultegra unit up from eBay for around a third the price of
retail and it fits I would be happy.

yes, they are.

Dropbear said:

Could someone please advise me whether Shimano 105 and Ultegra rear
deraillers are interchangeable? They look pretty much the same and If I
can pick an Ultegra unit up from eBay for around a third the price of
retail and it fits I would be happy.

Interchamging these parns shouldn't be a problem.

Cheers

Joel

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Dropbear said:

If I can pick an Ultegra unit up from eBay for around a third the price of retail and it fits I would be happy.

<kind of related rant>

IMO (ONLY) RRP of Shimano components here in Australia promotes people importing from OS. As an example, here are the numbers on my recent upgrade to Dura Ace drive chain.

Cranks:
In AU $536-550
OS for $347

Cassette:
In AU $254-333
OS for $150

Chain:
In AU $70
OS for $32

Totals:
AU: $860-$953
OS: $529 (lets say $31 for shipping) Total AU$560

$300 difference, minimum. The neat-o prices were all from the one online dealer, so that was a win! So this is nothing new to the Interweeb purchasing ninjas that we've all become - but that difference raises a few questions about the cost vs value. I'd take a stab at the demand is low enough here in AU that Shimano can justify their pricing... that, and I'm thinking their main cash-cow is feeding OEM group sets for whole bikes?

Anyways - I won't post my price sources in public, advertising is something I charge for. (email or pm me though) 🙂

lama
(running Ultegra mixed with Dura Ace)

gplama said:

Dropbear said:

If I can pick an Ultegra unit up from eBay for around a third the price
of retail and it fits I would be happy.

<kind of related rant>

IMO (ONLY) RRP of Shimano components here in Australia promotes people
importing from OS. As an example, here are the numbers on my recent
upgrade to Dura Ace drive chain.

Cranks:
In AU $536-550
OS for $347

Cassette:
In AU $254-333
OS for $150

Chain:
In AU $70
OS for $32

Totals:
AU: $860-$953
OS: $529 (lets say $31 for shipping) Total AU$560

$300 difference, minimum. The neat-o prices were all from the one
online dealer, so that was a win! So this is nothing new to the
Interweeb purchasing ninjas that we've all become - but that difference
raises a few questions about the cost vs value. I'd take a stab at the
demand is low enough here in AU that Shimano can justify their
pricing... that, and I'm thinking their main cash-cow is feeding OEM
group sets for whole bikes?

Anyways - I won't post my price sources in public, advertising is
something I charge for. (email or pm me though) 🙂

lama
(running Ultegra mixed with Dura Ace)

Please provide your email address as I would like to source cheap parts
from OS. I really need a 105 /ultegra rear derailer to repair my bike
that was damaged in the accident and I really cant see myself paying
retail. Thx

[email hidden] Remove the obvious before replying.

quote='Dropbear'gplama said:

Dropbear said:

If I can pick an Ultegra unit up from eBay for around a third the price
of retail and it fits I would be happy.

<kind of related rant>

IMO (ONLY) RRP of Shimano components here in Australia promotes people
importing from OS. As an example, here are the numbers on my recent
upgrade to Dura Ace drive chain.

Cranks:
In AU $536-550
OS for $347

Cassette:
In AU $254-333
OS for $150

Chain:
In AU $70
OS for $32

Totals:
AU: $860-$953
OS: $529 (lets say $31 for shipping) Total AU$560

$300 difference, minimum. The neat-o prices were all from the one
online dealer, so that was a win! So this is nothing new to the
Interweeb purchasing ninjas that we've all become - but that difference
raises a few questions about the cost vs value. I'd take a stab at the
demand is low enough here in AU that Shimano can justify their
pricing... that, and I'm thinking their main cash-cow is feeding OEM
group sets for whole bikes?

Anyways - I won't post my price sources in public, advertising is
something I charge for. (email or pm me though) 🙂

lama
(running Ultegra mixed with Dura Ace)

Please provide your email address as I would like to source cheap parts
from OS. I really need a 105 /ultegra rear derailer to repair my bike
that was damaged in the accident and I really cant see myself paying
retail. Thx

[email hidden] Remove the obvious before replying.[/QUOTE]
www.probikekit.com
www.chainreactioncycles.com

Just don't tell anyone in the industry where you got it from, it's like a red flag to a bull.

"Dropbear" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Please provide your email address as I would like to source cheap parts
from OS. I really need a 105 /ultegra rear derailer to repair my bike that
was damaged in the accident and I really cant see myself paying retail.
Thx

Given that you sound unitiated, I'd try www.probikekit.com. The prices are
cheap, delivery takes less than a week, if there's a mistake in the order
they fix it apparently, and they do cheap flat-rate shipping to Australia
whereas many of the others calculate shipping per-order and it gets pretty
pricey. And their website has a function where you can change the display
currency to $AUD.

Be aware that there are a couple of different rear derailleur sizes though
with different truss lengths to suit different cassette size ranges, though
it's pretty self explanatory and I'm sure people here will help you with
your choice!

Cheers
David M

DavidM said:

"Dropbear" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Please provide your email address as I would like to source cheap parts
from OS. I really need a 105 /ultegra rear derailer to repair my bike that
was damaged in the accident and I really cant see myself paying retail.
Thx

Given that you sound unitiated, I'd try www.probikekit.com. The prices are
cheap, delivery takes less than a week, if there's a mistake in the order
they fix it apparently, and they do cheap flat-rate shipping to Australia
whereas many of the others calculate shipping per-order and it gets pretty
pricey. And their website has a function where you can change the display
currency to $AUD.

Be aware that there are a couple of different rear derailleur sizes though
with different truss lengths to suit different cassette size ranges, though
it's pretty self explanatory and I'm sure people here will help you with
your choice!

Cheers
David M

Thanx a lot guys for the advice your advice is much appreciated for
those like me on a strict budget.
Grrrr....freakin mortgage.

DavidM said:

"Dropbear" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Please provide your email address as I would like to source cheap parts
from OS. I really need a 105 /ultegra rear derailer to repair my bike that
was damaged in the accident and I really cant see myself paying retail.
Thx

Given that you sound unitiated, I'd try www.probikekit.com. The prices are
cheap, delivery takes less than a week, if there's a mistake in the order
they fix it apparently, and they do cheap flat-rate shipping to Australia
whereas many of the others calculate shipping per-order and it gets pretty
pricey. And their website has a function where you can change the display
currency to $AUD.

Be aware that there are a couple of different rear derailleur sizes though
with different truss lengths to suit different cassette size ranges, though
it's pretty self explanatory and I'm sure people here will help you with
your choice!

Cheers
David M

I have used probike at least a dozen time and have only ever one had a problem with a order. One item was left out of the order and when i contacted them they did not even bat an eyelid, they offered credit or to just send the product on ASAP for no charge. I just asked them to add it to the next order and sure enough no problems. The only time I have ever had a order take more then 3-4 days to turn up is when AQIS got hold of it, put 3 days of delay. I have even had orders show up before the charge on my credit card has been applied🙂.

Most of the shops are aware that people order from O/S and are well aware that they can not compete with the prices due to the on cost put up by the distributors. That is where the problem lies, I think that most are way over charging the shops who then have to put on their markup and the result is products that are to costly to sell.

jcjordan said:

snip about pbk...

Most of the shops are aware that people order from O/S and are well aware that they can not compete with the prices due to the on cost put up by the distributors. That is where the problem lies, I think that most are way over charging the shops who then have to put on their markup and the result is products that are to costly to sell.

the distributors sock it hard to the LBS's, a couple of LBS owners were in Taiwan at the big bike show last year unknown to the Aus Distributors who were horrified to see these guys ( and gals ) there... the owners learnt first hand for every component in stock in their shops, one or two factories make 15 brands and all their wholesalers were at the show discounting to the foreign distributors to get the business and competitive "real prices" revealed.

The mark up here is horrendous, the word "superprofits" has been used on some items.

sad thing is the LBS's are stuck with the suppliers they have if they can't get to the wholesealers OS and even then, can finance big buy lots....

In the end they lose and the customers pay stupid RRP amounts that could be better spent on donating to the Starlight or Make a Wish Foundation or feed a village in Chad etc.

I try to support my LBS's as much as possible but at times you just gotta go the internerd.

rooman said:

jcjordan said:

snip about pbk...

Most of the shops are aware that people order from O/S and are well
aware that they can not compete with the prices due to the on cost put
up by the distributors. That is where the problem lies, I think that
most are way over charging the shops who then have to put on their
markup and the result is products that are to costly to sell.

the distributors sock it hard to the LBS's, a couple of LBS owners were
in Taiwan at the big bike show last year unknown to the Aus Distributors
who were horrified to see these guys ( and gals ) there... the owners
learnt first hand for every component in stock in their shops, one or
two factories make 15 brands and all their wholesalers were at the show
discounting to the foreign distributors to get the business and
competitive "real prices" revealed.

The mark up here is horrendous, the word "superprofits" has been used
on some items.

sad thing is the LBS's are stuck with the suppliers they have if they
can't get to the wholesealers OS and even then, can finance big buy
lots....

In the end they lose and the customers pay stupid RRP amounts that
could be better spent on donating to the Starlight or Make a Wish
Foundation or feed a village in Chad etc.

I try to support my LBS's as much as possible but at times you just
gotta go the internerd.

As I am still researching my options on which bike to buy to replace my
damaged Trek I had it narrowed down to either an Azzuri Uno cf 105 the
Avanti Corsa alloy / cf ultegra or Felt F5c.cf 105 / ultegra. but when I
went down to the LBS's yesterday the Azzuri dealer had shut down which
is a bit of a shame as he had always looked after me with my last bike
(Trek 1400). Has anybody have any opinions on the above mentioned bikes
good, bad or otherwise apart from the Azzuri as it is most likely out of
the equation now.
As far as PBK goes I had a look on their website and have ordered a
set of pedals that I priced yesterday for $150.00 retail and PBK have
them on special for A$82.00 so I have saved a bundle already. I was also
chasing an Ultegra or 105 rear derailer but they haven't got any in
stock but there is no great hurry for that as long as I have a bike to
get around on within about a fortnight or so.

rooman said:

The mark up here is horrendous, the word "superprofits" has been used
on some items.

sad thing is the LBS's are stuck with the suppliers they have if they
can't get to the wholesealers OS and even then, can finance big buy
lots....

Some LBS's are finding that it's quicker and cheaper to quietly order
some items from PBK than from their suppliers...

--
John
You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't
wipe your friends off on the saddle. - Kinky Friedman

John Pitts said:

Some LBS's are finding that it's quicker and cheaper to quietly order
some items from PBK than from their suppliers...

'quietly' meaning illegal parallel imports? (not that I'd know the first thing about commercial importing though).

This _has_ to be hurting Shimano Australia. (not that I'd know the first this about Shimano Australia).

lama
'arhhhh post op drugs'

John Pitts said:

rooman said:

The mark up here is horrendous, the word "superprofits" has been used
on some items.

Quoted message said:

sad thing is the LBS's are stuck with the suppliers they have if they
can't get to the wholesealers OS and even then, can finance big buy
lots....

Some LBS's are finding that it's quicker and cheaper to quietly order
some items from PBK than from their suppliers...

Why does Shimano permit this? If its purely a matter of profits for
the importers then that's not Shimano's gain, and in fact having high
prices must inevitably reduce sales in Australia. They'd be better
off appointing a couple of importers and letting them compete for
price.

Only if Shimano did the importing themselves would it make business
sense for them to push up import margins.

Travis

On May 8, 10:09 pm, gplama <gplama.2q9...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

John Pitts said:

Some LBS's are finding that it's quicker and cheaper to quietly order
some items from PBK than from their suppliers...

'quietly' meaning illegal parallel imports? (not that I'd know the
first thing about commercial importing though).

Quite the opposite. Competition reforms to federal trade law in recent
years were explicitly aimed at making parallel imports legal. I also
understand that it is illegal to try to circumvent these laws by
formal or informal agreements - known as cartel behaviour or price-
fixing. I have picked up a few hints that there is no shortage of this
sort of activity in the industry, e.g. shops not getting to distribute
certain brands (from the Aust agent) if they discount etc. There is
even a widely known example of a shop that does parallel imports and
sells cheaply, that was allegedly drummed out of advertising in a
major magazine.

Donga

Travis said:

John Pitts said:

On 2007-05-06, rooman <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The mark up here is horrendous, the word "superprofits" has been used
on some items.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

sad thing is the LBS's are stuck with the suppliers they have if they
can't get to the wholesealers OS and even then, can finance big buy
lots....

Quoted message said:

Some LBS's are finding that it's quicker and cheaper to quietly order
some items from PBK than from their suppliers...

Why does Shimano permit this? If its purely a matter of profits for
the importers then that's not Shimano's gain, and in fact having high
prices must inevitably reduce sales in Australia. They'd be better
off appointing a couple of importers and letting them compete for
price.

Only if Shimano did the importing themselves would it make business
sense for them to push up import margins.

Travis

Good question - why not write and ask them? You never know, it might
get a useful response!

Donga

In article <[email hidden]>,

Travis said:

if Shimano did the importing themselves

I was under the impression they do.

--
Shane Stanley

Shane Stanley said:

Quoted message said:

if Shimano did the importing themselves

I was under the impression they do.

My LBS refers to "ordering stuff from Shimano".

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Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

Dropbear said:

Thanx a lot guys for the advice your advice is much appreciated for
those like me on a strict budget.
Grrrr....freakin mortgage.

Lucky you've got one!

--
Bean

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Donga said:

Travis said:

John Pitts said:

On 2007-05-06, rooman <[email hidden]> wrote:
> The mark up here is horrendous, the word "superprofits" has been used
> on some items.
> sad thing is the LBS's are stuck with the suppliers they have if they
> can't get to the wholesealers OS and even then, can finance big buy
> lots....
Some LBS's are finding that it's quicker and cheaper to quietly order
some items from PBK than from their suppliers...

Why does Shimano permit this? If its purely a matter of profits for
the importers then that's not Shimano's gain, and in fact having high
prices must inevitably reduce sales in Australia. They'd be better
off appointing a couple of importers and letting them compete for
price.

Only if Shimano did the importing themselves would it make business
sense for them to push up import margins.

Travis

Good question - why not write and ask them? You never know, it might
get a useful response!

Donga

I once emailed Shimano Australia and they replied by saying they had to
charge more to cover for advertising and because they have a smaller
turnover than the "states". They added that they give better service
than the mail order companies too.

It didn't sound very convincing.

Friday