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why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

Which PX-10?
Thanks,
Kerry

Kerry Montgomery said:

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Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

Which PX-10?
Thanks,
Kerry

That one, right there.

Actually, this one: http://tinyurl.com/2jncaa

Looks like two [censored] with more money than sense got into a bidding
war for a relative POS PX10.

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Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

Quoted message said:

Kerry Montgomery said:

Which PX-10?

still me said:

That one, right there.
Actually, this one: http://tinyurl.com/2jncaa
Looks like two [censored] with more money than sense got into a bidding
war for a relative POS PX10.

Does seem a bit high.

Not the silver Thevenet TdF victory model, not pristine, not original
wheels, nor freewheel. Still, it isn't wrecked or badly abused.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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Kerry Montgomery said:

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Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

Which PX-10?
Thanks,
Kerry

That one, right there.

Actually, this one: http://tinyurl.com/2jncaa

Looks like two [censored] with more money than sense got into a bidding
war for a relative POS PX10.

still me,
Thanks for the link. Wow, may have to put my earlier PX-10 with the Nervex
curly lugs and lots less rust up for bid!
Kerry

Kerry Montgomery said:

Quoted message said:

Looks like two [censored] with more money than sense got into a bidding
war for a relative POS PX10.

still me,
Thanks for the link. Wow, may have to put my earlier PX-10 with the Nervex
curly lugs and lots less rust up for bid!

This doesn't even look like a PX-10 to me; more like one of their
cheaper models. $1000 is a hell of a lot to spend on that.

--

David L. Johnson

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines." --Ralph Waldo Emerson

still me said:

Kerry Montgomery said:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

Which PX-10?

That one, right there.

Actually, this one: http://tinyurl.com/2jncaa

Looks like two [censored] with more money than sense got into a bidding
war for a relative POS PX10.

$962 for a PX-10 with some rust on the frame? Yeah, that is a bit of a
WTF.

--
Dane Buson - [email hidden]
.... there are about 5,000 people who are part of that commitee. These guys
have a hard time sorting out what day to meet, and whether to eat croissants
or doughnuts for breakfast -- let alone how to define how all these complex
layers that are going to be agreed upon. - Craig Burton of Novell, Network World

Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

Nice subject line. Nice to know exactly what the topic is going to be
before reading the article. You know a lot of people see a bogus
subjust line and don't bother with the text.

still me said:

On Wed, 02 May 2007 00:23:02 GMT, "Kerry Montgomery"

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Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

Quoted message said:

Which PX-10?
Thanks,
Kerry

That one, right there.

Actually, this one:http://tinyurl.com/2jncaa

Looks like two [censored] with more money than sense got into a bidding
war for a relative POS PX10.

And one *very* happy seller, who got about $700 more than they had
thought they would.

Party time!!!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

still me said:

Looks like two [censored] with more money than sense got into a bidding
war for a relative POS PX10.

Quoted message said:

Kerry Montgomery said:

Thanks for the link. Wow, may have to put my earlier PX-10 with the
Nervex curly lugs and lots less rust up for bid!

David L. Johnson said:

This doesn't even look like a PX-10 to me; more like one of their
cheaper models. $1000 is a hell of a lot to spend on that.

PX10 certainly. It's a 1973 I think, maybe '74. The wheels are not
original. Nervex lugs were gone by then and it has a 1973 & later AV3SC
front changer, not the prior type AV223 front. 1975 is the Thevenet Tour
winner year in silver paint as I recall.

photo:
http://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/coureurfiche.php?coureurid=7168

OK, I admit it. I'm a PX10 groupie.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

still me said:

Looks like two [censored] with more money than sense got into a bidding
war for a relative POS PX10.

It's being shipped to my zip code and, yes, there are a lot of people in
this town with far more money than brains.

I bought a PX-10 in January '73, rode the hell out of it and had a great
time. I still remember my father's ranting and raving about the
ridiculous amount of money I had spent on a bicycle with no lights, no
fenders, and those skinny tires. Lots of fond memories, but I still
wouldn't pay $1K for one today.
mark

Bill Westphal said:

Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

Nice subject line. Nice to know exactly what the topic is going to be
before reading the article. You know a lot of people see a bogus
subjust line and don't bother with the text.

I'd wager that 90% or more regular ng readers would click on it out of
curiosity, and in this case since the revealed text was so short and to the
point it was obviously on topic. (OTOH, if it was some long-winded blather,
that would be obvious pretty apparently, too.)

IOW, NBD. (No big deal.)

On Wed, 02 May 2007 05:01:42 GMT, mark <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I bought a PX-10 in January '73, rode the hell out of it and had a great
time. I still remember my father's ranting and raving about the
ridiculous amount of money I had spent on a bicycle with no lights, no
fenders, and those skinny tires. Lots of fond memories, but I still
wouldn't pay $1K for one today.

Usual Ebay prices are $200-$250 for a nicely preserved frame,
$300-$500 for a nicely preserved original complete. I've seen some
very early models or very pristine bikes for $500-$800 (really unique
or mint).

Sometimes people just bid stupidly. I once saw a guy pay over $100 for
a single weinmann caliper that started at $10. Of course, to pay that
price, someone else had to bid almost that high. I emailed him
afterwards to ask him if he knew something about it I didn't (Made of
gold? Owned by Jimi Hendrix?). He told me he wanted to make sure he
got it, so threw in a snipe bid of $100. Unfortunately for him,
another dolt did the same thing that day. LOL.

Perhaps the PX10 bidders were a similar collection of dolts.

On Tue, 01 May 2007 21:49:41 -0600, Bill Westphal <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Nice subject line. Nice to know exactly what the topic is going to be
before reading the article. You know a lot of people see a bogus
subjust line and don't bother with the text.

He caught your attention :-)

Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

It was a bargain. Around here, they sell for double that amount at the
local bike swaps.

Paul Cassel said:

Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

It was a bargain. Around here, they sell for double that amount at the
local bike swaps.

Map please!

On 1 May 2007 17:20:18 -0700, [email hidden] may have

Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

Don't assume that because the bids went that high, that the sale will
actually happen.

Scam artists often overbid a bike (sometimes through the use of a
hijacked account) and then try the Nigerian "I sent you a money order
for too much, just refund it to the guy who will pick up the bike"
double-rip. Vandals and pranksters will bid up and item and then
respond to all of the emails with a YOU SUX LOL!, once again often
through the use of a hijacked (phished) eBay account.

Bikes, of course, are not the only kind of item that gets subjected to
this form of fraud. Anything with a selling price of several hundred
dollars (or more) may be targeted. And the use of a hijacked account
is not always made; sometimes, the fraudsters will intentionally hike
their chances of finding a gullible seller by bidding with a
zero-feedback or very-low-feedback user ID. If the seller isn't made
nervous by an overinflated finish involving a low-feedback buyer, it's
a good bet that the fraudster has found a sucker.

Caveat vendor!

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Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

Werehatrack said:

On 1 May 2007 17:20:18 -0700, [email hidden] may have

Quoted message said:

why did this PX-10 sell for so much? i have a similar model, 1975,
plain lugs (black). maybe i'll sell it and get a nice grand.

Don't assume that because the bids went that high, that the sale will
actually happen.

Scam artists often overbid a bike (sometimes through the use of a
hijacked account) and then try the Nigerian "I sent you a money order
for too much, just refund it to the guy who will pick up the bike"
double-rip. Vandals and pranksters will bid up and item and then
respond to all of the emails with a YOU SUX LOL!, once again often
through the use of a hijacked (phished) eBay account.

Bikes, of course, are not the only kind of item that gets subjected to
this form of fraud. Anything with a selling price of several hundred
dollars (or more) may be targeted. And the use of a hijacked account
is not always made; sometimes, the fraudsters will intentionally hike
their chances of finding a gullible seller by bidding with a
zero-feedback or very-low-feedback user ID. If the seller isn't made
nervous by an overinflated finish involving a low-feedback buyer, it's
a good bet that the fraudster has found a sucker.

Caveat vendor!

--
My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

Ebay should put that in a prominent place on their website, or on the
top of an FAQ, or required reading before bidding. Really. They have
required reading before you trash someone, like I did the guy who
didn't think he got enough, and claimed the item "listed in error",
and then repackaged it for another auction with a different vague
description. Complaints to ebay get you a copied and pasted partial
response.

There's no doubt in my mind there are vast crime syndicates at work
successfully scamming very intellegent people. That said, if you know
what to watch for you can get good deals. But the sellers with
thousands of sales over years can be marketing stolen goods too.

I wonder what level of law enforcement comes from the federal govnt,
with reallocation of resources, and "upport of "private enterprise"

On Wed, 02 May 2007 23:08:23 -0600, Bill Westphal <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Ebay should put that in a prominent place on their website, or on the
top of an FAQ, or required reading before bidding. Really. They have
required reading before you trash someone, like I did the guy who
didn't think he got enough, and claimed the item "listed in error",
and then repackaged it for another auction with a different vague
description.

I suppose an education in on-line fraud would be advantageous to
people buying/listing on Ebay but most folks would not bother reading
it.

Quoted message said:

Complaints to ebay get you a copied and pasted partial
response.

Actually, I believe it's a bot much of the time, suitably signed with
Indian names to make it more realistic :-)

Quoted message said:

There's no doubt in my mind there are vast crime syndicates at work
successfully scamming very intellegent people. That said, if you know
what to watch for you can get good deals. But the sellers with
thousands of sales over years can be marketing stolen goods too.

I wonder what level of law enforcement comes from the federal govnt,
with reallocation of resources, and "upport of "private enterprise"

I think the only ones actually watching Ebay are the IRS- and they are
looking for sellers not reporting income, not fraud. The rest of them
only care when a specific transaction is reported as a problem. I very
much doubt that Ebay will try to draw attention to the issues - and
they are a very small minority of overall transactions.

Per still me:

Quoted message said:

I suppose an education in on-line fraud would be advantageous to
people buying/listing on Ebay but most folks would not bother reading
it.

I'd be one of those people - although "of interest" would be
closer than "advantageous" because I hardly ever by anything
there.

The Nigerian aspect of artificially bidding up a price lost me.

Price goes way up.

Seller consummates the deal.

Buyer sends money order or cashier's check.

Seller deposits money order or cashier's check and has their
account credited.

Buyer shows up and takes the merchandise.

Money order or cashier's check bounces two weeks later, causing
the seller's account tb debited.

But how does the buyer make out besides walking with the
merchandise?
--
PeteCresswell