School helmet compulsion

Roos Eisma said:

In the Courier today:
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/04/26/newsstory9617214t0.asp

Good on them! If there are more kids there cycling to school, and being
taught to ride properly, that's a Good Thing.

Chris Smith said:

Roos Eisma said:

In the Courier today:
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/04/26/newsstory9617214t0.asp

Good on them! If there are more kids there cycling to school, and being
taught to ride properly, that's a Good Thing.

But are they being taught to ride properly? As I read it, they are being
coerced into wearing hi-viz jackets and foam hats, which isn't the same thing.

If they were interrogated like TC's students were, what would their answers be
like? Would they know that working brakes and road position are more important
than wearing safety gear?

"Marc Brett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Chris Smith said:

Roos Eisma said:

In the Courier today:
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/04/26/newsstory9617214t0.asp

Good on them! If there are more kids there cycling to school, and being
taught to ride properly, that's a Good Thing.

But are they being taught to ride properly? As I read it, they are being
coerced into wearing hi-viz jackets and foam hats, which isn't the same
thing.

Kids are taught a load [censored] IMO these days. I was in a school for my degree
doing a session with some 10 year olds. The only form of pollution they
seemed to think existed was CO2. They didn't seem to have even a vague idea
that industry can and does produce poisonous chemicals.

Marc Brett said:

Chris Smith said:

Roos Eisma said:

In the Courier today:
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/04/26/newsstory9617214t0.asp

Good on them! If there are more kids there cycling to school, and being
taught to ride properly, that's a Good Thing.

But are they being taught to ride properly? As I read it, they are being
coerced into wearing hi-viz jackets and foam hats, which isn't the same thing.

If they were interrogated like TC's students were, what would their answers be
like? Would they know that working brakes and road position are more

important

Quoted message said:

than wearing safety gear?

I think you will probably find that the hi-viz jackets and helmets are to
protect the school, not the children ;-)

--
Nigel Wade

Roos Eisma said the following on 26/04/2007 09:04:

Quoted message said:

In the Courier today:
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/04/26/newsstory9617214t0.asp

Whatever any issues with some of the finer points, I think it's
refreshing to see a school doing something to encourage cycling instead
of making excuses.

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Hands up who thinks the "enterprising pupils" came up with the cycle
permit plan themselves....?

Apparently they've taken the word "gullible" out of the dictionary :-)

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Roos Eisma said:

Hands up who thinks the "enterprising pupils" came up with the cycle
permit plan themselves....?

I dismissed the idea of a cycle permit. To have such a scheme would
mean those who walk, use public transport or are driven should have a
permit too, and I'd only support a permit system for those who are
driven.

Doki said:

"Marc Brett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:49:41 +0100, Chris Smith <[email hidden]>

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Roos Eisma wrote:
> In the Courier today:
> http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/04/26/newsstory9617214t0.asp
>

Good on them! If there are more kids there cycling to school, and being
taught to ride properly, that's a Good Thing.

But are they being taught to ride properly? As I read it, they are being
coerced into wearing hi-viz jackets and foam hats, which isn't the
same thing.

Kids are taught a load [censored] IMO these days. I was in a school for my
degree doing a session with some 10 year olds. The only form of
pollution they seemed to think existed was CO2. They didn't seem to have
even a vague idea that industry can and does produce poisonous chemicals.

CO2 is poisonous! Several people have told me so.

And I think these well meaning knowledgeable people meant in
concentrations of 1 ppm, not > 1000

A

In article <[email hidden]>,
Ambrose Nankivell <[email hidden]> writes:
|> Doki wrote:
|> >
|> > Kids are taught a load [censored] IMO these days. I was in a school for my
|> > degree doing a session with some 10 year olds. The only form of
|> > pollution they seemed to think existed was CO2. They didn't seem to have
|> > even a vague idea that industry can and does produce poisonous chemicals.
|>
|> CO2 is poisonous! Several people have told me so.

Well, it's obviously twice as poisonous as CO, isn't it?

|> And I think these well meaning knowledgeable people meant in
|> concentrations of 1 ppm, not > 1000

Doubtless. Did you tell them that they were poisoning you as they
spoke?

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Nick Maclaren wrote on 26/04/2007 20:01 +0100:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Ambrose Nankivell <[email hidden]> writes:
|> Doki wrote:
|> >
|> > Kids are taught a load [censored] IMO these days. I was in a school for my
|> > degree doing a session with some 10 year olds. The only form of
|> > pollution they seemed to think existed was CO2. They didn't seem to have
|> > even a vague idea that industry can and does produce poisonous chemicals.
|>
|> CO2 is poisonous! Several people have told me so.

Well, it's obviously twice as poisonous as CO, isn't it?

If you think that's bad you should see what dihydrogen monoxide does.
http://www.dhmo.org

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:16:05 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

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Nick Maclaren wrote on 26/04/2007 20:01 +0100:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Ambrose Nankivell <[email hidden]> writes:
|> Doki wrote:
|> >
|> > Kids are taught a load [censored] IMO these days. I was in a school for my
|> > degree doing a session with some 10 year olds. The only form of
|> > pollution they seemed to think existed was CO2. They didn't seem to have
|> > even a vague idea that industry can and does produce poisonous chemicals.
|>
|> CO2 is poisonous! Several people have told me so.

Well, it's obviously twice as poisonous as CO, isn't it?

If you think that's bad you should see what dihydrogen monoxide does.

Whatever floats yer boat.

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Doki said:

Kids are taught a load [censored] IMO these days. I was in a school for my
degree doing a session with some 10 year olds. The only form of
pollution they seemed to think existed was CO2. They didn't seem to have
even a vague idea that industry can and does produce poisonous chemicals.

CO2 is poisonous! Several people have told me so.

It is. It's quite difficult to poison yourself with it without
suffocating yourself though. You can do it with a CO2/O2 mix gas
cylinder, which is available from various suppliers, for a use I can't
remember.

regards, Ian SMith
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Doki said:

Kids are taught a load [censored] IMO these days. I was in a school for my degree
doing a session with some 10 year olds. The only form of pollution they
seemed to think existed was CO2. They didn't seem to have even a vague idea
that industry can and does produce poisonous chemicals.

Did you know a lot about pollution at the age of 10? What about other
people your age?

Cheers,
Luke

--
Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET)
Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

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Did you know a lot about pollution at the age of 10? What about other
people your age?

It was all about greenhouse gases and the hole in the ozone layer when I
was ten (yay, an environmental good news story!). Still had stuff talking
about running out of oil in the next 30/50/100 years. Idiots that wrote
the stuff hadn't taken into account the oil that was still to be
discovered. Fortunately we were also introduced to material that pointed
this out.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:12:15 GMT,

Ekul Namsob said:

Doki said:

Kids are taught a load [censored] IMO these days. I was in a school for my degree
doing a session with some 10 year olds. The only form of pollution they
seemed to think existed was CO2. They didn't seem to have even a vague idea
that industry can and does produce poisonous chemicals.

Did you know a lot about pollution at the age of 10? What about other
people your age?

When I was 10 I was well aware of acid rain - it was a regular feature
on the news at the time. Today's children may have heard about
oil-spills from ships (especially when they break up) for example.
I would imagine that most people (even children) will have heard about
the untreated effluent being dumped into the Forth t'other weekend.

--
Andy Leighton => [email hidden]
"The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
- Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

Mark Thompson wrote on 26/04/2007 21:57 +0100:

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Quoted message said:

Did you know a lot about pollution at the age of 10? What about other
people your age?

It was all about greenhouse gases and the hole in the ozone layer when I
was ten (yay, an environmental good news story!).

When I was young it was catastrophic global cooling - just like now but
in the opposite direction.
http://www.igreens.org.uk/world_is_cooling.htm

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

On Apr 26, 9:12 pm, [email hidden] (Ekul

Namsob) said:

Doki said:

Kids are taught a load [censored] IMO these days. I was in a school for my degree
doing a session with some 10 year olds. The only form of pollution they
seemed to think existed was CO2. They didn't seem to have even a vague idea
that industry can and does produce poisonous chemicals.

Did you know a lot about pollution at the age of 10? What about other
people your age?

Yes and no.

We had to do a topic of our own choice in the final year of primary. I
chose nuclear physics.
The teacher had to get her research scientist hubby to mark it.

...d

Roos Eisma said:

Hands up who thinks the "enterprising pupils" came up with the cycle
permit plan themselves....?

They quite possibly did. At the school my kids go to they have a
similar 'permit' system (though I have yet to see what happens if an
unpermitted bike turns up.)

The bumph given out recommends strongly that pupils should only cycle
unaccompanied if they have been trained (I nearly wrote properly), but
says absolutely nothing about clothing/headgear.

I'll have to take a look and see how many kids are actually cycling
in. I am tempted to start a pre-school go-ride club at some point. I
have access to all the gear I would need and there are precedents for
pre school clubs.

...d

On 26 Apr 2007 15:28:31 -0700 someone who may be David Martin
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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Quoted message said:

Hands up who thinks the "enterprising pupils" came up with the cycle
permit plan themselves....?

They quite possibly did. At the school my kids go to they have a
similar 'permit' system (though I have yet to see what happens if an
unpermitted bike turns up.)

Are there similar 'permits' issued to those who walk to school or
are driven to school?

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Tony Raven said:

Nick Maclaren wrote on 26/04/2007 20:01 +0100:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Ambrose Nankivell <[email hidden]> writes:
|> Doki wrote:
|> >
|> > Kids are taught a load [censored] IMO these days. I was in a school for my
|> > degree doing a session with some 10 year olds. The only form of
|> > pollution they seemed to think existed was CO2. They didn't seem to have
|> > even a vague idea that industry can and does produce poisonous chemicals.
|>
|> CO2 is poisonous! Several people have told me so.

Quoted message said:

Well, it's obviously twice as poisonous as CO, isn't it?

If you think that's bad you should see what dihydrogen monoxide does.http://www.dhmo.org

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ban-DHMO/ (rejected)

Tim.