Cyclist killed in collision with tram

Ziggy said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/6594425.stm

"The tram was travelling along Ridgeway Road near the junction with
Newlands Road when it collided with the cyclist, who was crossing in
front."
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said:

Ziggy said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/6594425.stm

"The tram was travelling along Ridgeway Road near the junction with
Newlands Road when it collided with the cyclist, who was crossing in
front."

Another article here
http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/news?ArticleID=2732068

"Police believe the cyclist, who has not yet been named, was crossing
in front of the Supertram which was travelling towards the city
centre.
Witnesses said the man was crossing the dual carriageway on a pelican
crossing in front of two lanes of rush hour traffic.
It is thought he failed to see the city-bound tram in its dedicated
central lane."

It also says he suffered severe head injuries but doesen't mention if
was or was not wearing a helmet.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Phil Cook said:

Phil Cook said:

Ziggy said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/6594425.stm

"The tram was travelling along Ridgeway Road near the junction with
Newlands Road when it collided with the cyclist, who was crossing in
front."

Another article here
http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/news?ArticleID=2732068

"Police believe the cyclist, who has not yet been named, was crossing
in front of the Supertram which was travelling towards the city
centre.
Witnesses said the man was crossing the dual carriageway on a pelican
crossing in front of two lanes of rush hour traffic.
It is thought he failed to see the city-bound tram in its dedicated
central lane."

It also says he suffered severe head injuries but doesen't mention if
was or was not wearing a helmet.

Well, given the circumstances, it almost certainly would not have made any
difference - but the pro-helmet lobby would benefit from this omission,
should he have indeed been wearing a MFH.

(Ziggy) said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/6594425.stm

and your point is?

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Quoted message said:

Witnesses said the man was crossing the dual carriageway on a pelican
crossing in front of two lanes of rush hour traffic.
It is thought he failed to see the city-bound tram in its dedicated
central lane."

Pelican crossing on green or red?
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In article <[email hidden]>,
_ <[email hidden]> writes:
|>
|> Well, given the circumstances, it almost certainly would not have made any
|> difference - but the pro-helmet lobby would benefit from this omission,
|> should he have indeed been wearing a MFH.

Master of Fox Hounds? I know that they have supposedly been rendered
obsolete, but I didn't know that they were being turned into hats!

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

naked_draughtsman said:

"Phil Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Witnesses said the man was crossing the dual carriageway on a pelican
crossing in front of two lanes of rush hour traffic.
It is thought he failed to see the city-bound tram in its dedicated
central lane."

Pelican crossing on green or red?

If it was a pelican crossing he should not have been cycling across it in
the first place, only Toucan crossings allow cyclists to cycle across.

Highway code 64:

Crossing the road

64: Do not ride across a pelican, puffin or zebra crossing. Dismount
and wheel your cycle across

pk

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Quoted message said:

Highway code 64:

Crossing the road

64: Do not ride across a pelican, puffin or zebra crossing. Dismount
and wheel your cycle across

I was going to mention that, but if the crossing was green for pedestrians,
shouldn't 'the lights' for the tram have been on red as it was between the
two lanes he was crossing? (which I assume were stopped because the traffic
lights were on red).

He may have been walking across anyway (article doesn't say) or it may have
been a toucan crossing as a lot of people don't know the difference!
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:19:10 +0100 someone who may be
"naked_draughtsman" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

64: Do not ride across a pelican, puffin or zebra crossing. Dismount
and wheel your cycle across

I was going to mention that, but if the crossing was green for pedestrians,
shouldn't 'the lights' for the tram have been on red as it was between the
two lanes he was crossing? (which I assume were stopped because the traffic
lights were on red).

If the pedestrian crossing had an illuminated green man then the
signals for tram drivers would almost certainly have been showing a
horizontal white bar, which means stop. These bar signals are
located with the traffic lights for operators of other vehicles.

The operation of the controls of the tram, together with the forward
facing video camera will all have been recorded. The latter will
have recorded the tram signals, even if the operation of these is
not recorded by a data recorder on the ground, as well as the
actions of the cyclist. This sort of information can prove very
useful in deciding what happened. Should anyone be interested in
what should be available the report at
http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/reports_2006/report012006.cfm
gives an idea.

As a tram was involved the death will be taken seriously and
investigated thoroughly. I imagine in a few days it will appear on
the list of things being investigated at
http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/current_investigations_register.cfm
and a report will be published in due course.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
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naked_draughtsman said:

"p.k." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Highway code 64:

Crossing the road

64: Do not ride across a pelican, puffin or zebra crossing. Dismount
and wheel your cycle across

I was going to mention that, but if the crossing was green for pedestrians,
shouldn't 'the lights' for the tram have been on red as it was between the
two lanes he was crossing? (which I assume were stopped because the traffic
lights were on red).

There is no mention of the signal aspect in the Sheffield on Line
artile, all it say is that it was rush hour.

The road he was crossing is a major road with a junction with another
main road a few hundred yards further along so it is possible the
traffic was queueing.

The road there is a dual carriageway with a tram lines in the central
reservation. See this aerial photograph
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=swsg72gwdzps&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7731766&encType=1

or http://tinyurl.com/2uueq6

The line on the left (in which the tram was travelling) is in it's own
reservation. The line on the right is in the road lane. Traffic from
the side roads may only turn left. The pelican is provided for
pedestrians to cross the road. The white lines between the tram tracks
are railings.

Sheffield trams have their own signals at junctions and crossings
which give indications by a pattern of white lights.

All else is speculation.
--
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p.k. wrote on 26/04/2007 16:07 +0100:

Quoted message said:

If it was a pelican crossing he should not have been cycling across it in
the first place, only Toucan crossings allow cyclists to cycle across.

In Cambridge they have Pelican crossings with Toucan controllers
(complete with bike symbols) because apparently Pelican controllers were
not in stock when they placed the order.
http://www.camcycle.org.uk/map/location/10646/

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:04:41 +0100 someone who may be Phil Cook
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

The road he was crossing is a major road with a junction with another
main road a few hundred yards further along so it is possible the
traffic was queueing.

The road there is a dual carriageway with a tram lines in the central
reservation. [snip]

Quoted message said:

All else is speculation.

I speculate that the cyclist saw the constipated motor traffic and
thought that he could cross the road while the red man symbol was
displayed. If that was the case it was a bad decision with bad
consequences.

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/20.htm#198 contains the appropriate
wording, "Trams move quickly but silently and cannot steer to avoid
you."

While not criticising the cyclist, if this is what happened the
rails on the ground are a clue that one would be well advised to be
careful.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
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POHB said:

(Ziggy) said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/6594425.stm

and your point is?

and your point is?

POHB said:

(Ziggy) said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/6594425.stm

and your point is?

This is a *News* group.

It was *News*.

Do you have a problem with that?

Phil Cook said:

Ziggy said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/6594425.stm

"The tram was travelling along Ridgeway Road near the junction with
Newlands Road when it collided with the cyclist, who was crossing in
front."

I nearly got hit by a tram within a few minutes of arriving in Vienna
recently. I was only a foot or so off the pavement waiting to cross,
but the cheeky bugger still tooted his horn (or perhaps he clanged his
bell, everything was all a bit fuzzy after 12h on a plane) at me
rather than just steer round. He was on the wrong side of the road
too! So much for Austrian orderliness.

Even more bizarrely, the Austrian Airlines plane we flew over on was
called the "Donald Bradman". Some Japanese seem to have a joke about
confusing Austria and Australia but you'd think the natives would know
the difference.

James

On 28 Apr 2007 06:13:24 -0700 someone who may be
"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

I nearly got hit by a tram within a few minutes of arriving in Vienna
recently. I was only a foot or so off the pavement waiting to cross,
but the cheeky bugger still tooted his horn (or perhaps he clanged his
bell, everything was all a bit fuzzy after 12h on a plane) at me
rather than just steer round. He was on the wrong side of the road
too! So much for Austrian orderliness.

Didn't the orderly rails in the street make you ponder what might
pass by:-)

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
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