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  1. I've been impressed with the many potential health benefits of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA):

    sciencenews.orgbob9.asp

    However, last night I ran into the following studies that raise concerns for me. These studies found
    that the active CLA isomer increased several major pro-aging markers in obese humans. Specifically,
    CLA increased C-reactive protein, lipid peroxidation, and insulin resistance. The latter marker
    being quite unexpected given animal research (and one human study cited at the bottom of this post)
    suggesting improved insulin sensitivity. What's up with that?

    I'm not sure how to interpret this data, but given that each of the cited pro-aging markers that CLA
    increased are exactly what life-extenders should wish to decease, I'm posting this data to encourage
    productive feedback and discussion.

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    Circulation 2002 Oct 8;106(15):1925-9

    Supplementation with conjugated linoleic acid causes isomer-dependent oxidative stress and elevated
    C-reactive protein: a potential link to fatty acid-induced insulin resistance.

    "CONCLUSIONS: t10c12 CLA supplementation increases oxidative stress and inflammatory biomarkers in
    obese men. The oxidative stress seems closely related to induced insulin resistance, suggesting a
    link between the fatty acid-induced lipid peroxidation seen in the present study and insulin
    resistance. These unfavorable effects of t10c12 CLA might be of clinical importance with regard to
    cardiovascular disease, in consideration of the widespread use of dietary supplements containing
    this fatty acid." ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgi
    370214&dopt=Abstract

    Lipids 2003 Feb;38(2):133-7: "...the trans10-cis12 CLA isomer unexpectedly caused significant
    impairment of the peripheral insulin sensitivity as well as of blood glucose and serum lipid levels.
    In addition, CLA markedly elevated lipid peroxidation. " ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.f
    cgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12733745&dopt=Abstract

    The subjects in those studies had metabolic syndrome:
    ext.colostate.edunn971022.html

    Conjugated linoleic acid induces lipid peroxidation in humans. ncbi.nlm.nih.govq
    uery.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10683436&dopt=Abstract ncbi.nlm.nih.goventre
    z/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11099394&dopt=Abstract

    But these studies found that

    CLA prevents diabetes in animals news.uns.purdue.edu9805.Belury.diabetes.html

    CLA may benefit human diabetics hec.osu.educla.htm "The research received
    support from Pharmanutrients, Inc., Lake Bluff,
    Ill., and Natural, Inc., Chicago. Although Belury has consulted for both companies in the past, she
    was not a paid consultant during the time of this study." pharmanutrients.compharmanutrients.com
    naturalinc.comindex flash.html

    Any thoughts?

    iangoddard.netjournal.htm

    "To lengthen thy life, lessen thy meals." Ben Franklin

    Ongoing CR monkey study update: "In the monkeys...those on reduced feeding since the study started
    are dying at a rate that is about half that of the monkeys receiving a full food ration."
    Associated Press: Eating less may extend human life. August 1, 2002 :
    msnbc.com788746.asp

  2. Ian Goddard <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I've been impressed with the many potential health benefits of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA):

    sciencenews.orgbob9.asp

    However, last night I ran into the following studies that raise concerns for me. These studies
    found that the active CLA isomer increased several major pro-aging markers in obese humans.
    Specifically, CLA increased C-reactive protein, lipid peroxidation, and insulin resistance. The
    latter marker being quite unexpected given animal research (and one human study cited at the
    bottom of this post) suggesting improved insulin sensitivity. What's up with that?

    I'm not sure how to interpret this data, but given that each of the cited pro-aging markers that
    CLA increased are exactly what life-extenders should wish to decease, I'm posting this data to
    encourage productive feedback and discussion.


    Hi Ian, I stopped taking it a couple of years ago based pretty much on the same concerns. Here is
    what I have saved on it. My info duplicates and supports yours. If I were a fat diabetic I might
    reconsider. The references to Tom in my records are from the old LEF forum and refer to Paul. The
    reason I reinvestigated it and stopped is that he had stopped. This is what I have on it. Thomas

    DEF: CLA: Found in red meat. Anti cancer, good for blood sugar. Prevents muscle wasting.
    Antioxidant. I have been watching this for a year or two. This paper is definitive for me, unless
    some really great studies come along. Diabetes Care 2002 Sep;25(9):1516-21 Treatment with dietary
    trans10cis12 conjugated linoleic acid causes isomer-specific insulin resistance in obese men with
    the metabolic syndrome. Riserus U, Arner P, Brismar K, Vessby B. Department of Public Health and
    Caring Sciences/Geriatrics, Uppsala University, Uppsala, Sweden. [email hidden]
    OBJECTIVE: Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) is a group of dietary fatty acids with antiobesity and
    antidiabetic effects in some animals. The trans10cis12 (t10c12) CLA isomer seems to cause these
    effects, including improved insulin sensitivity. Whether such isomer-specific effects occur in
    humans is unknown. The aim of this study was to investigate whether t10c12 CLA or a commercial CLA
    mixture could improve insulin sensitivity, lipid metabolism, or body composition in obese men with
    signs of the metabolic syndrome. RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS: In a randomized, double-blind
    controlled trial, abdominally obese men (n = 60) were treated with 3.4 g/day CLA (isomer mixture),
    purified t10c12 CLA, or placebo. Euglycemic-hyperinsulinemic clamp, serum hormones, lipids, and
    anthropometry were assessed before and after 12 weeks of treatment. RESULTS: Baseline metabolic
    status was similar between groups. Unexpectedly, t10c12 CLA increased insulin resistance (19%; P <
    0.01) and glycemia (4%; P < 0.001) and reduced HDL cholesterol (-4%; P < .01) compared with
    placebo, whereas body fat, sagittal abdominal diameter, and weight decreased versus baseline, but
    the difference was not significantly different from placebo. The CLA mixture did not change glucose
    metabolism, body composition, or weight compared with placebo but lowered HDL cholesterol (-2%; P <
    0.05). CONCLUSIONS: These results reveal important isomer-specific metabolic actions of CLA in
    abdominally obese humans. A CLA-induced insulin resistance has previously been described only in
    lipodystrophic mice. Considering the use of CLA-supplements among obese individuals, it is
    important to clarify the clinical consequences of these results, but they also provide
    physiological insights into the role of specific dietary fatty acids as modulators of insulin
    resistance in humans. PMID: 12196420

    The Good transFat Will one family of animal fats become a medicine? 2001 Over the past 4
    years, a new and surprising dietary supplement has been edging its way onto the shelves of
    health-food stores. Known as CLA, it's a mixture of trans fats, compounds usually associated
    with raising the concentration of cholesterol in people's blood. The acronym, for conjugated
    linoleic acid, signifies that the fats in CLA are unusual forms of the essential nutrient
    linoleic acid. The first potential health effect of CLA emerged 17 years ago, when Michael
    W. Pariza of the University of Wisconsin-Madison announced that he had isolated an
    unidentified agent in hamburger that reduced the incidence of cancer in mice (SN:
    12/22&29/84, p. 390). Four years later, his team unmasked the mystery agent: one chemical
    form, or isomer, of linoleic acid. But nobody's laughing about it now. Several hundred
    published studies of CLA's effects in animals and a few preliminary experiments with people
    have since suggested an array of health benefits from the unusual trans fats. Linoleic acid
    is a kinked molecule built around a chain of 18 carbon atoms. Most of the links coupling
    each carbon to its neighbors are known as single bonds. Two of the links in the chain are
    the more rigid double bonds. Various chemical reactions can induce one of the double bonds
    to shift so that it is separated from the other by only one single bond. The molecule that
    results is called a conjugated fatty acid. Of the different CLA isomers that can form, just
    two have been linked to health effects. One's called cis-9, trans-11 (c9-t11), and the
    other, trans-10, cis-12 (t10-c12). Isolating each of these isomers is difficult and
    expensive. Most tests therefore use a mixture of the two that's commercially produced from a
    vegetable oil. Experiments in animals have revealed the mystery cancer fighter that Pariza
    discovered in hamburger 17 years ago to be c9-t11. It continues to be the most frequently
    studied of CLA's isomers. Potential health value His team gave 3-grams of off-the-shelf CLA
    supplements daily to half of the 80 clinically obese men and women enrolled in a
    weight-reduction trial. The remaining volunteers received identical capsules filled with
    sunflower oil. Animal studies had shown that only the t10-c12 alters fat accumulation, but
    to keep costs down the researchers used a 50:50 supplement of it and the C9-t11. Both
    dieting groups also received advice on cutting calories and upping their exercise. By the
    end of 6 months, all the participants had lost weight--on average about 5 pounds each.
    However, one-third of those taking the CLA, but only one-sixth of the others, increased
    muscle mass. CLA caused the dieter's bodies to partition more of the energy from food into
    lean tissue, not fat, says Pariza. Ola Gudmundsen of Scandinavian Clinical Research AS in
    Kjeller, Norway, and his colleagues reported similar data on 60 overweight or obese
    volunteers in a 3-month dieting trial. Groups of 12 men and women, 40 to 50 years old,
    received daily capsules containing either 9 g of olive oil or a dose of 1.7 to 6.8 g of CLA.
    As in Pariza's trial, the CLA supplement was roughly a 50:50 mix of the c9-t11 and t10-c12
    isomers. Even in this short trial, people getting 3.4 g or more of CLA per day ended up
    weighing 2 to 3 pounds less than the others, Gudmundsen says. Dieters reaped no extra
    benefits from downing more than 3.4 g of CLA per day, his team reports in the December 2000
    Journal of Nutrition. The group receiving the highest dose of CLA did, however, develop
    slightly more lean tissue than the other groups did. Diabetes and large doses Larger doses
    of the 50:50 CLA formulation hold out tantalizing prospects for helping people with type II
    diabetes, according to another trial reported at the ACS meeting. Martha Belury of Northwest
    Hospital in Seattle and her colleagues at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Ind., tested
    nine people who have this adult-onset form of diabetes. The researchers gave them daily
    capsules containing either 6 g of safflower oil or CLA daily for 8 weeks. Fasting blood
    sugar, or glucose, was moderately improved in people getting the CLA supplements but not in
    those getting the safflower oil. Similarly, only the CLA group experienced a significant
    lowering in blood concentration of triglycerides,. "We also saw this beneficial triglyceride
    lowering" in a study with diabetic rats, Belury notes. "Most exciting and definitely the
    most significant, statistically," she says, was the finding that people taking the CLA
    supplement had lower blood concentrations of the hormone leptin compared with the volunteers
    taking safflower oil. Other researchers have associated elevations in blood leptin
    concentrations with obesity. To Belury, her provocative leptin data "suggest CLA may act on
    type II diabetes via some mechanism affecting [body-]fat accumulation." Why did Belury
    consider studying CLA's effects on diabetes? Her team's molecular studies several years ago
    showed that CLA shares properties with some drugs. "We think CLA binds to a [cellular]
    receptor that is similar to one that some antidiabetes drugs target," Belury explains.
    Wondering whether the nutritional supplement would act similarly to these drugs, she and her
    colleagues administered the fat supplements to rats predisposed to developing diabetes. To
    her surprise, Belury notes, "CLA actually delayed the onset of diabetes." Slowing plaque
    buildup In studies with rabbits, he had been looking for agents that don't just slow a
    potentially deadly buildup of plaque along artery walls but actually make these fatty
    deposits regress. With other chemical agents, he says, "if you find something that gives you
    a few percent regression, you do handsprings. In our studies with [a 50:50 formulation of]
    CLA, we saw a 30 percent reduction [in existing plaque]--which is nothing less than
    phenomenal." Figuring that such a result was too good to be true, Kritchevsky repeated the
    experiments. Again, he fed the rabbits plaque-forming diets for 3 months. He then killed
    one-third of the animals to measure their plaque buildup. Over the next 3 months, the
    surviving animals ate either a normal diet or one containing from 0.1 to 1 percent CLA, by
    weight of food. When compared with the unsupplemented animals, rabbits getting the 0.1
    percent-CLA diets had a little less plaque. However, those getting chow that was 1 percent
    CLA had 30 percent less plaque, he reported in an April 2000 supplement of the Journal of
    The American College of Nutrition. A feed supplement A little more than a decade ago, while
    looking for a low-cost feed supplement, animal scientist Mark E. Cook and his colleagues at
    the University of Wisconsin-Madison stumbled onto CLA's immune-enhancing attributes.
    . When a vaccine stimulates the animals' immune system, it triggers an inflammatory action, which
    produces proteins that induce muscle wasting. Some of these same cytokines, such as tumor necrosis
    factor, cause wasting in cancer patients. "We were hoping to find something to cut the
    inflammatory reaction that led to wasting," Cook says. Since compounds fashioned from linoleic
    acid participate in the chain of signals that induce wasting, he wondered whether CLA--as altered
    linoleic acids--might somehow mute the vaccine's inflammatory effect. So, he fed animals either a
    normal diet or one supplemented with the
    50:50 CLA mix and then injected each with an immunity stimulant. "It worked," Cook crows. "CLA
    totally blocked the [temporary] wasting" in rats, mice, chicks, and pigs, without reducing their
    ability to fight disease. While that looked like a possible boon to meat producers, the earlier
    findings had prompted Cook to worry whether people taking CLA supplements might compromise their
    immunity. So, he encouraged his colleagues to probe how the mixture of trans fats perturbs an
    animal's immune system. In a series of patent applications, his team reports that CLA
    dramatically increases several families of infection-fighting white blood cells, including a type
    known as natural killer cells. When the body isn't under assault, however, CLA appears to dampen
    down the natural background level of immune stimulation. Such a dampening, Cook notes, is usually
    a good thing. Most recently, Cook's team has shown that CLA appears to derail allergic reactions
    by selectively dampening--as several drugs do--the activity of cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2), an
    enzyme that triggers many types of inflammation. Indeed, Cook told Science News, "we're quite
    excited and have just patented CLA as a COX-2 inhibitor." Animal studies Data from animal studies
    have consistently shown CLA's anticancer promise. For example, Clement Ip of the Roswell Park
    Cancer Institute in Buffalo, N.Y., recently showed that butter enriched in c9-t11 cut the risk of
    mammary cancer in rats that ate it (SN: 12/11/99, p. 375). Researchers don't know whether CLA
    isomers other than c9-t11 have anticancer effects. Right now, Ip says, "we have almost no
    [animal] data on the t10-c12, in terms of cancer protection." Is it now time to begin studies to
    see if CLA supplements can prevent cancer in people? "Not quite," Ip says emphatically.
    References: Belury, M.A., A. Mahon, and L. Shi. Role of conjugated linoleic acid
    (CLA) in the management of type 2 diabetes: Evidence from Zucker diabetic (fa/fa) rats and human
    subjects (Abstract AGFD 26). American Chemical Society 220th National Meeting. August 20-24.
    Washington,
    D.C.Blankson, H. . . .and O. Gudmundsen. 2000. Conjugated linoleic acid reduces body fat mass in
    overweight and obese humans. Journal of Nutrition 130(December):2943. Blankson, H. . . .and O.
    Gudmundsen. 2000. Effects of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) on body fat mass in overweight or
    obese human volunteers: A double-blind, randomized placebo controlled study(Abstract AGFD 23).
    American Chemical Society 220th National Meeting. August 20-24. Washington, D.C. Cook, M.E., et
    al. 2000. Regulation of inducible prostranoids and leukotrienes by conjugated linoleic acid
    (CLA) (Abstract AGFD 10). American Chemical Society 220th National Meeting. August 20-24.
    Washington, D.C. Hurst, W.J., et al. In press. Determination of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA)
    concentrations in milk chocolate. Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry. Kritchevsky, D.
    2000. Influence of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) on experimental atherosclerosis (Abstract AGFD
    14). American Chemical Society 220th National Meeting. August 20-24. Washington, D.C.
    Kritchevsky, D., et al. 2000. Influence of conjugated linoleic acid
    (CLA) on establishment and progression of atherosclerosis in rabbits. Journal of the American
    College of Nutrition 19(April):472S. Pariza, M.W. 2000. Conjugated linoleic acid: The paradox
    of multifunctionality (Abstract AGFD 9). American Chemical Society 220th National Meeting.
    August 20-24. Washington, D.C. Park, Y. . . .and M.W. Pariza. 1999. Evidence that the
    trans-10, cis-12 isomer of conjugated linoleic acid induces body composition changes in mice.
    Lipids 34(March):235. Further Readings: Bee, G. 2000. Dietary conjugated linoleic acid
    consumption during pregnancy and lactation influences growth and tissue composition in weaned
    pigs. Journal of Nutrition 130:2981. ______. 2000. Dietary conjugated linoleic acids alter
    adipose tissue and milk lipids of pregnant and lactating sows. Journal of Nutrition
    130:2292.

    Tom, What do you think about his study on CLA...Isn't TNFa bad as well as increased insulin
    resistance? And the hepatomegaly is worrisome as well. I am reading too much here? Thanks!

    Diabetes, September 2000 Volume 49, Number 9 Conjugated Linoleic Acid Supplementation Reduces
    Adipose Tissue by Apoptosis and Develops Lipodystrophy in Mice Nobuyo Tsuboyama-Kasaoka, Mayumi
    Takahashi, Kentaro Tanemura, Hyoun-Ju Kim, Tsuyoshi Tange Hitoshi Okuyama, Masaaki Kasai, Shinji
    Ikemoto, Osamu Ezaki

    Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) is a naturally occurring group of dienoic derivatives of linoleic
    acid found in beef and dairy products. CLA has been reported to reduce body fat. To examine the
    mechanism(s) of CLA reduction of fat mass, female C57BL/6J mice were fed standard semipurified diets
    (10% fat of total energy) with or without CLA (1% wt/wt). Terminal deoxynucleotidyl
    transferase-mediated dUTP-biotin nick end-labeling (TUNEL) and DNA fragmentation analysis revealed
    that fat-mass decrease by CLA was mainly due to apoptosis.

    [ Apoptosis (programmed cell death) of fat cells is beneficial, since one major problem with obesity
    is that once fat cells accumulate it is hard to reduce their number. Dieting generally only reduces
    the size of each making the regaining of weight very easy indeed. -- Tom ]

    Tumor necrosis factor (TNF)- and uncoupling protein (UCP)-2 mRNA levels increased 12- and 6-fold,
    respectively, in isolated adipocytes from CLA-fed mice compared with control mice. Because it is
    known that TNF- induces apoptosis of adipocytes and upregulates UCP2 mRNA, a marked increase of TNF-
    mRNA with an increase of UCP2 in adipocytes caused CLA-induced apoptosis. However, with a decrease
    of fat mass, CLA supplementation resulted in a state resembling lipoatrophic diabetes: ablation of
    brown adipose tissue, a marked reduction of white adipose tissue, marked hepatomegaly, and marked
    insulin resistance. CLA supplementation decreased blood leptin levels, but continuous leptin
    infusion reversed hyperinsulinemia, indicating that leptin depletion contributes to the development
    of insulin resistance. These results demonstrate that intake of CLA reduces adipose tissue by
    apoptosis and results in lipodystrophy, but hyperinsulinemia by CLA can be normalized by leptin
    administration. Diabetes 49:1534–1542, 2000

    [ Thanks for this abstract. It strongly suggests that while CLA may be important for weight
    reduction and fighting cancer, but should not be used by healthy thin people. I will be seriously
    checking this out, with a view to ceasing my current intake of CLA. -- Tom ] Biochem Biophys Res
    Commun 1998 Mar 27;244(3):678-82 Erratum in: Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1998 Jun 29;247(3):911
    Dietary conjugated linoleic acid normalizes impaired glucose tolerance in the Zucker diabetic fatty
    fa/fa rat. Houseknecht KL, Vanden Heuvel JP, Moya-Camarena SY, Portocarrero CP, Peck LW, Nickel KP,
    Belury MA. Department of Animal Sciences, Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana 47907, USA.
    Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) is a naturally occurring fatty acid which has anti-carcinogenic and
    anti-atherogenic properties. CLA activates PPAR alpha in liver, and shares functional similarities
    to ligands of PPAR gamma, the thiazolidinediones, which are potent insulin sensitizers. We provide
    the first evidence that CLA is able to normalize impaired glucose tolerance and improve
    hyperinsulinemia in the pre-diabetic ZDF rat. Additionally, dietary CLA increased steady state
    levels of aP2 mRNA in adipose tissue of fatty ZDF rats compared to controls, consistent with
    activation of PPAR gamma. The insulin sensitizing effects of CLA are due, at least in part, to
    activation of PPAR gamma since increasing levels of CLA induced a dose-dependent transactivation of
    PPAR gamma in CV-1 cells cotransfected with PPAR gamma and PPRE X 3-luciferase reporter construct.
    CLA effects on glucose tolerance and glucose homeostasis indicate that dietary CLA may prove to be
    an important therapy for the prevention and treatment of NIDDM. PMID: 9535724 Int J Obes Relat Metab
    Disord 2001 Aug;25(8):1129-35 Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) reduced abdominal adipose tissue in
    obese middle-aged men with signs of the metabolic syndrome: a randomised controlled trial. Riserus
    U, Berglund L, Vessby B. Clinical Nutrition Research Unit, Department of Public Health and Caring
    Sciences/Geriatrics, Faculty of Medicine, Uppsala University, Uppsala, Sweden.
    [email hidden] BACKGROUND: Abdominal obesity is strongly related to metabolic
    disorders. Recent research suggests that dietary conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) reduces body fat and
    may improve metabolic variables in animals. The metabolic effects of CLA in abdominally obese humans
    have not yet been tested. OBJECTIVE: To investigate the short-term effect of CLA on abdominal fat
    and cardiovascular risk factors in middle-aged men with metabolic disorders. METHODS: Twenty-five
    abdominally obese men (waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), 1.05+/-0.05; body mass index (BMI), 32+/-2.7
    kg/m(2) (mean+/-s.d.)) who were between 39 and 64-y-old participated in a double-blind randomised
    controlled trial for 4 weeks. Fourteen men received 4.2 g CLA/day and 10 men received a placebo. The
    main endpoints were differences between the two groups in sagittal abdominal diameter (SAD), serum
    cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein, high-density lipoprotein, triglycerides, free fatty acids,
    glucose and insulin. RESULTS: At baseline, there were no significant differences between groups in
    anthropometric or metabolic variables. After 4 weeks there was a significant decrease in SAD (cm) in
    the CLA group compared to placebo (P=0.04, 95% CI; -1.12, -0.02). Other measurements of
    anthropometry or metabolism showed no significant differences between the groups. CONCLUSIONS: These
    results indicate that CLA supplementation for 4 weeks in obese men with the metabolic syndrome may
    decrease abdominal fat, without concomitant effects on overall obesity or other cardiovascular risk
    factors. Because of the limited sample size, the effects of CLA in abdominal obesity need to be
    further investigated in larger trials with longer duration. Publication Types: Clinical Trial
    Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 11477497

    See lef.orgapril00 cover.html
    forum.lef.orgreadTopic.cgi
    lef.orgoct2001 report coq10 01.html for the LEF discussion. It comes in
    three parts.

    $Taking 700mg in 2000 in 2000 LE is recommending 3000 mg Stoped taking in Mar. 2001 $To Take?

  3. (Thomas Carter) said:

    I stopped taking it a couple of years ago based pretty much on the same concerns. Here is what
    I have saved on it. My info duplicates and supports yours. If I were a fat diabetic I might
    reconsider. The references to Tom in my records are from the old LEF forum and refer to Paul.
    The reason I reinvestigated it and stopped is that he had stopped. This is what I have on it.
    Thomas

    IAN: Thanks Tom for the additional info. Seems we all agree that the reported CLA-induced increase
    of C-reactive protein, lipid peroxidation, and insulin resistance are logical grounds for
    discontinuation.

    I'm baffled as to why there are conflicting findings regarding CLA's influence on insulin
    resistance. An improvement of insulin efficiency seems consistent with findings of increased lean
    mass. Hoping to get an answer I contacted one of the researchers who reported a positive effect on
    insulin sensitivity. She was cited at the bottom of the initial CLA post:

    google.comgroups

    Her response avoided my question and raised what strikes me as a straw-man argument. Here it is...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Ian Goddard Sent: Wed, May 07, 2003 To: Martha Belury Subject: CLA Research

    Hello Dr Martha Belury,

    What do you think of the findings of Riserus et al that t10c12 CLA increased C-reactive protein,
    oxidative stress, and insulin resistance?

    ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgi
    Abstract

    It seems directly opposite of so much research such as yours that finds beneficial effects on
    insulin sensitivity. But if true their study seems to suggest that CLA is a health hazard.

    Dr Belury's responce

    Quoted message said:

    From: Martha Belury To: Ian Goddard Subject: RE: CLA Research Date: Thu, 8 May 2003

    You are incorrect. Dr. Vessby has conducted his research in people who have syndrome X, we conduct
    our research in people with type 2 diabetes. Check your facts then we can discuss the
    implications.

    Martha A. Belury, Ph.D., R.D. The Ohio State University

    My responce to Belury:

    From: Ian Goddard Subject: RE: CLA Research To: Martha Belury Date: Thu, 8 May 2003

    Thank you Dr Belury for your reply.

    Given that metabolic disorder is a strong risk factor for developing adult-onset diabetes, I'm not
    sure I fully appreciate the error you suggest I've made. But I'd be interested to know the
    implications of Vessby et al as well as why we might expect CLA to have opposite effects on
    diabetics and those with syndrome X, if that's what you're implying.

    Thanks once again for your attention.

    "Conjugated linoleic acid induces lipid peroxidation in humans." ncbi.nlm.nih.goventrez
    /query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10683436&dopt=Abstract

    ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgi
    t=Abstract

    ************

    No follow-up responce to date from Dr Belury.

    iangoddard.netjournal.htm

    "To lengthen thy life, lessen thy meals." Ben Franklin

    Ongoing CR monkey study update: "In the monkeys...those on reduced feeding since the study started
    are dying at a rate that is about half that of the monkeys receiving a full food ration."
    Associated Press: Eating less may extend human life. August 1, 2002 :
    msnbc.com788746.asp

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