TGV

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Impressive. Makes maglevs look like boutique trains only suitable for
trips to the coffee shop.

In article <[email hidden]>,

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Jobst Brandt

Are you thinking of using that TGV for your pacing? 😉
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Just imagine what speed it could attain if it was painted red.

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Jobst Brandt

I've always said that every American should ride a TGV at least once to
see how rail travel can (and should) be done.

mark

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Jobst Brandt

I've always said that every American should ride a TGV at least once to
see how rail travel can (and should) be done.

Geez, don't the airlines have enough problems?

Ozark Bicycle said:

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Jobst Brandt

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I've always said that every American should ride a TGV at least once to
see how rail travel can (and should) be done.

Geez, don't the airlines have enough problems?

Remind me again what destinations Easyjet and Ryanair fly between?

mark <[email hidden]> writes:

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I've always said that every American should ride a TGV at least once
to see how rail travel can (and should) be done.

Somehow the Germans and Japanese did not get the message about
articulated trains. The TGV is a series of cars that share wheels to
give greater stability and lower rolling losses as a bonus. Separate
train cars have instabilities between cars as those of us who have
walked from one car to the next on conventional trains have seen.

ICE and Shinkansen Bullet-trains have separate cars that require
extensive linkages and shock absorbers to stabilize these
instabilities. Consider that the German ICE was designed after the
first TGV's went into service. That has got to be great NIH that they
went ahead with separate passenger cars. Even our 5-car freight
container racks are articulated cars.

Jobst Brandt

Ozark Bicycle said:

mark said:

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Jobst Brandt

I've always said that every American should ride a TGV at least once to
see how rail travel can (and should) be done.

I agree. Neat-o.

A high speed rail link LA-SF keeps getting talked about in CA, but never
quite makes it. The last serious attempt was a (failed) $9B bond issue.
It seemed like a pretty good deal to me. Flights between the 5 airports
in southern CA and the 3 in the Bay Area are jammed to overflowing. We
all know what traffic on Interstate 5 is like too. The cost of all this is
staggering.

If they can spend $15B to bury a freeway to ease traffic and improve
aesthetics of a medium-sized city like Boston (pop. 600k, then it's
certainly worth it to spend $9B+ to greatly improve the main
transportation corridor for 36 million people in CA.

The latest plan would connect all CA metro areas from San Diego to
Sacramento. 2.5hr LA-SF. Let's do it.

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Geez, don't the airlines have enough problems?

I say let 'em all die, and let the good, healthy ones like Jetblue and
Southwest pick up the slack.

Getting back to bikes, there are lots of people taking bikes on the Amtrak
Metrolink in southern CA. Yes, there are trains in southern CA, and yes,
people do use them. In fact they're quite full.

Matt O.

Matt O'Toole said:

If they can spend $15B to bury a freeway to ease traffic and improve
aesthetics of a medium-sized city like Boston (pop. 600k, then it's
certainly worth it to spend $9B+ to greatly improve the main
transportation corridor for 36 million people in CA.

The point of the "big dig" was to dig a hole and fill it in again, justifying a large transfer of funds from China to Boston.

If anything, this should be an argument against trusting the government for infrastructure investment management.

Dan

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On Apr 5, 8:52 am, "Ozark Bicycle"

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On Apr 5, 9:42 am, mark <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Jobst Brandt

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I've always said that every American should ride a TGV at least once to
see how rail travel can (and should) be done.

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Geez, don't the airlines have enough problems?

Remind me again what destinations Easyjet and Ryanair fly between?

My reply was meant 'tongue-in-cheek'; I wish the US had a decent rail
service.

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Jobst Brandt

Any data on how it would be respond to an earthquake?

Ben C said:

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Impressive. Makes maglevs look like boutique trains only suitable for
trips to the coffee shop.

Those levitation trains are faster, dont you think so? Look up MAGLEV
trains.

Ben C said:

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Impressive. Makes maglevs look like boutique trains only suitable for
trips to the coffee shop.

Those levitation trains are faster, dont you think so? Look up MAGLEV
trains.

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Ben C said:

On 2007-04-05, [email hidden] <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Impressive. Makes maglevs look like boutique trains only suitable for
trips to the coffee shop.

Those levitation trains are faster, dont you think so? Look up MAGLEV
trains.

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mark said:

I've always said that every American should ride a TGV at least once
to see how rail travel can (and should) be done.

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Somehow the Germans and Japanese did not get the message about
articulated trains. The TGV is a series of cars that share wheels to
give greater stability and lower rolling losses as a bonus. Separate
train cars have instabilities between cars as those of us who have
walked from one car to the next on conventional trains have seen.

ICE and Shinkansen Bullet-trains have separate cars that require
extensive linkages and shock absorbers to stabilize these
instabilities. Consider that the German ICE was designed after the
first TGV's went into service. That has got to be great NIH that they
went ahead with separate passenger cars. Even our 5-car freight
container racks are articulated cars.

I just watched the video. What happens when it hits the deer?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Andrew Muzi writes:

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I've always said that every American should ride a TGV at least
once to see how rail travel can (and should) be done.

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Somehow the Germans and Japanese did not get the message about
articulated trains. The TGV is a series of cars that share wheels
to give greater stability and lower rolling losses as a bonus.
Separate train cars have instabilities between cars as those of us
who have walked from one car to the next on conventional trains
have seen.

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ICE and Shinkansen Bullet-trains have separate cars that require
extensive linkages and shock absorbers to stabilize these
instabilities. Consider that the German ICE was designed after the
first TGV's went into service. That has got to be great NIH that
they went ahead with separate passenger cars. Even our 5-car
freight container racks are articulated cars.

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I just watched the video. What happens when it hits the deer?

Less than what happens when a 747 hits a deer on the runway... Oops,
the areas are securely fenced off anyway. It's not like the ICE in
Germany where the tracks run unfenced past peoples back yards. These
folks apparently have neither small children nor house pets.

Jobst Brandt

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I've always said that every American should ride a TGV at least once to
see how rail travel can (and should) be done.

That would be sitting across from a chain-smoking French couple? Been there,
done that, back in 2002!

Thankfully, such experiences are no longer required. Plenty of non-smoking
cars, and France in general is finally making headway against smokers.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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Any data on how it would be respond to an earthquake?

As long as it's speeding *away* from the shock wave...

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Diablo Scott said:

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Jobst Brandt

Any data on how it would be respond to an earthquake?

In France, it doesn't matter given the low frequency
of earthquakes. In California (where the train wouldn't
go as fast) it would respond no worse than the Nimitz
Freeway, and possibly better.

Ben