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  1. on sites with the quality catalog, you can get a nexus intre-8....im
    guessing regluar...700c wheel for about 200 usd, velocity aeroheat* or
    salsa delgado x rims....e.g.,
    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30&action=list&Category=555&brand=108&modelid=10785&type=T

    harris sells a wheel with the red band and sun cr-18 rims for 300
    usd.... http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/wheelsint.html

    obviously there's a quantifiable weight savings, but what does better
    bearings and ultegra level mean in this context? if the red band is
    ultegra, would you compare a regular inter-8 to 105? sora? alfine is
    dura ace maybe ;-]

    do the rims make a difference? they're all in the same price
    range....

    * velocity doesn't list aeroheat as coming in 700c --there is an
    aerohead (with a d) though.... http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=580

  2. Sledge Hammer said:

    on sites with the quality catalog, you can get a nexus intre-8....im
    guessing regluar...700c wheel for about 200 usd, velocity aeroheat* or
    salsa delgado x rims....e.g.,
    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30&action=list&Category=555&brand=108&modelid=10785&type=T

    harris sells a wheel with the red band and sun cr-18 rims for 300
    usd.... http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/wheelsint.html

    obviously there's a quantifiable weight savings, but what does better
    bearings and ultegra level mean in this context? if the red band is
    ultegra, would you compare a regular inter-8 to 105? sora? alfine is
    dura ace maybe ;-]

    Nexus is utility bike stuff. The premium hub is better than the standard
    version but if you want to compare it to derailleurgroups think Altus
    and similar.

    (The DA gearhub is made in Germany 😉 )
    --
    ---
    Marten Gerritsen

    INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
    www.m-gineering.nl

  3. Marten said:

    Nexus is utility bike stuff. The premium hub is better than the
    standard version but if you want to compare it to derailleurgroups
    think Altus and similar.

    (The DA gearhub is made in Germany 😉 )

    So you consider the SRAM gear hubs to be on level with Dura Ace? Staff
    in Schweinfurt will feel flattered...

    Günther

  4. Günther Schwarz said:
    Marten said:

    Nexus is utility bike stuff. The premium hub is better than the
    standard version but if you want to compare it to derailleurgroups
    think Altus and similar.

    (The DA gearhub is made in Germany 😉 )

    So you consider the SRAM gear hubs to be on level with Dura Ace? Staff
    in Schweinfurt will feel flattered...

    Günther

    Nah, they will have heard of a company in Fuldatal

    --
    ---
    Marten Gerritsen

    INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
    www.m-gineering.nl

  5. Sledge Hammer said:

    on sites with the quality catalog, you can get a nexus intre-8....im
    guessing regluar...700c wheel for about 200 usd, velocity aeroheat* or
    salsa delgado x rims....e.g.,
    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30&action=list&Category=555&brand=108&modelid=10785&type=T

    harris sells a wheel with the red band and sun cr-18 rims for 300
    usd.... http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/wheelsint.html

    obviously there's a quantifiable weight savings, but what does better
    bearings and ultegra level mean in this context? if the red band is
    ultegra, would you compare a regular inter-8 to 105? sora? alfine is
    dura ace maybe ;-]

    do the rims make a difference? they're all in the same price
    range....

    * velocity doesn't list aeroheat as coming in 700c --there is an
    aerohead (with a d) though.... http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=580


    Aeroheat wheel that AEBike lists is a 559 BSD (Mountain bike 26" wheel).
    Salsa Delgado (this one is 622 BSD 700C) is stronger/wider/heavier than CR18.
    If you want another rim why not build it yourself?
    Velocity Dyad is Aeroheat in a 700C version. It is a strong and simple rim. We use the Dyad 48H version on our 700C touring tandem. They work well and are a good value. If you want to score more "coffee shop points" you can use Velocity Synergy OC (Off Center). The Off Center spoke holes would bring the wheel into "nearly perfect" spoke tension balance left-to-right.
    I just built one using Mavic A719. Since the weight of the hub is significant I just don't see scrimping on the weight of the rim.
    David Ornee, dave at ornee dot net, Western Springs, IL

  6. M-gineering said:

    Nexus is utility bike stuff. The premium hub is better than the standard
    version but if you want to compare it to derailleurgroups think Altus
    and similar.

    since it would be going on a utility bike, that's ok. the ultegra/red
    band comparison is harris's/(sheldon's?). and i know it's apples and
    oranges, but i'm fascinated--one guy says it's comparable to shimano's
    2nd highest road group and another guy says its like their 2nd or 3rd
    lowest mountain group.

  7. On Apr 4, 10:34 am, daveornee <daveornee.2oi...@no-

    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

    Aeroheat wheel that AEBike lists is a 559 BSD (Mountain bike 26"
    wheel).

    didn't notice the separate iso spec....looks like they need to fix the
    title for the listing....Dimension DIM Rr 700c Shim Inter-8 36h, Velo
    Aeroheat Blk (WE7503)

    Quoted message said:

    If you want another rim why not build it yourself?

    off the shelf solutions are somewhat cheaper, particularly since i
    don't do wheelbuilding as a diy thing and don't have the patience to
    learn....when the bike gets stolen, as all bikes are destined to be,
    every incremental dollar is going to hurt more.

  8. Sledge Hammer said:

    obviously there's a quantifiable weight savings, but what does better
    bearings and ultegra level mean in this context?

    According to tests in the latest "Bicycle Quarterly, the premium
    version of the Nexus 8 speed hub on the Breezer Uptown 8 is more
    efficient in most gears than the standard version on the Jamis
    Commuter 3.0. Specifically, they said that they could really feel an
    efficiency difference on the Jamis between the direct drive (1:1)
    gear, which seemed very efficient, and the other gears. They said
    this efficiency drop between direct and non-direct gears was not
    nearly as noticeable with the premium hub on the Breezer.

    - FBB

  9. Sledge Hammer said:

    On Apr 4, 10:34 am, daveornee <daveornee.2oi...@no-

    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

    Aeroheat wheel that AEBike lists is a 559 BSD (Mountain bike 26"
    wheel).

    didn't notice the separate iso spec....looks like they need to fix the
    title for the listing....Dimension DIM Rr 700c Shim Inter-8 36h, Velo
    Aeroheat Blk (WE7503)

    Quoted message said:

    If you want another rim why not build it yourself?

    off the shelf solutions are somewhat cheaper, particularly since i
    don't do wheelbuilding as a diy thing and don't have the patience to
    learn....when the bike gets stolen, as all bikes are destined to be,
    every incremental dollar is going to hurt more.


    Yes, listing by AEBike is inconsistant at best.
    Off-the-shelf-solutions are often less expensive, but may also be worth what you pay for them. (Things like butted quality manufacture spokes, spoke washers to make up for the very large diameter spoke holes, extra finishing of spoke tension/stabilization/etc. can make the wheel more reliable)
    I guess I don't approach the issue with "when the bike gets stolen" in mind, but I have been very careful/lucky in having only 1 bicycle and 1 front wheel stolen in 50 years.
    Shimano has there own factory built Nexus 8 hubbed wheel. I don't know if it is based on the Red Band version..... but if it is cheaper.....

  10. A shy person said:

    the ultegra/red band comparison is harris's/(sheldon's?).

    No, I believe that was from Shimano's marketeers.

    I've never actually ridden the red band version, both of mine are
    basic Nexi. I like them a LOT!

    http://sheldonbrown.com/raleigh-international
    http://sheldonbrown.com/iro

    Sheldon "Neck's Us" Brown
    +---------------------------------------------------+
    | The one-size-fits-all baseball cap worn backward |
    | has to be the stupidest fashion trend since the |
    | invention of the necktie. |
    | Nothing says "I'm a moron" quite like that |
    | plastic snap strap across the forehead. |
    +---------------------------------------------------+
    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
    http://harriscyclery.com
    Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

  11. Sledge Hammer said:

    On Apr 4, 10:34 am, daveornee <daveornee.2oi...@no-

    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

    Aeroheat wheel that AEBike lists is a 559 BSD (Mountain bike 26"
    wheel).

    didn't notice the separate iso spec....looks like they need to fix the
    title for the listing....Dimension DIM Rr 700c Shim Inter-8 36h, Velo
    Aeroheat Blk (WE7503)

    Quoted message said:

    If you want another rim why not build it yourself?

    off the shelf solutions are somewhat cheaper, particularly since i
    don't do wheelbuilding as a diy thing and don't have the patience to
    learn....when the bike gets stolen, as all bikes are destined to be,
    every incremental dollar is going to hurt more.


    Breezer has a nice package with the Nexus 8 red band hub where you get "everything" in the package "off-the-shelf". That bicycle is a great value for a utitlity bicycle.
    Koga-Miyata has a Dutch Commuter style high utility bicycle where you also get "everything" in the package "off-the-shelf". The model I rode had the standard Nexus 8 hub.
    If you live within reasonable driving distance to Harris Cyclery you can likely arrange a time to demo both. I know that the Red band version is lighter (but still weighs about as much as a wheelset for freehubbed bicycle... all by itself). I road the Breezer and the Koga-Miyata in separate test rides. I liked them both, but I would need to get rid of a couple other current bicycles to afford either. The Koga-Miyata really caught my attention with the fully enclosed chain case and extra rear wheel guard so I could ride safely with a long rain coat without having it tangle in the rear wheel spokes.
    David Ornee, Western Springs, IL

  12. Sheldon Brown said:
    A shy person said:

    the ultegra/red band comparison is harris's/(sheldon's?).

    No, I believe that was from Shimano's marketeers.

    I've never actually ridden the red band version, both of mine are
    basic Nexi. I like them a LOT!

    Correct Latin plural may be nexus, with a long u (pronounced nexoose).

  13. Marten said:
    Günther Schwarz said:
    Marten said:

    Nexus is utility bike stuff. The premium hub is better than the
    standard version but if you want to compare it to derailleurgroups
    think Altus and similar.

    (The DA gearhub is made in Germany 😉 )

    So you consider the SRAM gear hubs to be on level with Dura Ace?
    Staff in Schweinfurt will feel flattered...

    Quoted message said:

    Nah, they will have heard of a company in Fuldatal

    Oh, this one! This is for offroad use. So one should compare to X.0 and
    XTR, not Dura Ace.

    Günther

  14. Günther Schwarz said:
    Marten said:
    Günther Schwarz said:

    Marten wrote:

    > Nexus is utility bike stuff. The premium hub is better than the
    > standard version but if you want to compare it to derailleurgroups
    > think Altus and similar.
    >
    > (The DA gearhub is made in Germany 😉 )
    So you consider the SRAM gear hubs to be on level with Dura Ace?
    Staff in Schweinfurt will feel flattered...

    Quoted message said:

    Nah, they will have heard of a company in Fuldatal

    Oh, this one! This is for offroad use.

    Loosen up man, there is plenty of DA in cyclecross, and 90% of the
    Speedhubs wind up in recumbents, touring bikes or citybikes 😉

    --
    ---
    Marten Gerritsen

    INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
    www.m-gineering.nl

  15. Ben C said:
    Sheldon Brown said:
    A shy person said:

    the ultegra/red band comparison is harris's/(sheldon's?).

    No, I believe that was from Shimano's marketeers.

    I've never actually ridden the red band version, both of mine are
    basic Nexi. I like them a LOT!

    Correct Latin plural may be nexus, with a long u (pronounced nexoose).

    Is.

    (4th declension)

  16. _ said:
    Ben C said:
    Sheldon Brown said:

    A shy person wrote:

    > the ultegra/red band comparison is harris's/(sheldon's?).

    No, I believe that was from Shimano's marketeers.

    I've never actually ridden the red band version, both of mine are
    basic Nexi. I like them a LOT!

    Correct Latin plural may be nexus, with a long u (pronounced nexoose).

    Is.

    (4th declension)

    Yes, nexus the noun is 4th declension, but "nexus" could also be the
    perfect passive participle of necto, which would decline like a 2nd
    declension, with plural nexi. I don't know which Shimano intended.


  17. Quoted message said:

    Yes, nexus the noun is 4th declension, but "nexus" could also be the
    perfect passive participle of necto, which would decline like a 2nd
    declension, with plural nexi. I don't know which Shimano intended.

    Is there a chance in Hades that it could be "nexera"?

    Tom Ace

  18. Tom Ace said:


    Quoted message said:

    Yes, nexus the noun is 4th declension, but "nexus" could also be the
    perfect passive participle of necto, which would decline like a 2nd
    declension, with plural nexi. I don't know which Shimano intended.

    Is there a chance in Hades that it could be "nexera"?

    No, but the plural of Prius is Priora presumably 🙂

  19. Quoted message said:
    daveornee daveornee.2oi...@no- mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

    Aeroheat wheel that AEBike lists is a 559 BSD (Mountain bike 26"
    wheel).

    Sledge Hammer said:

    didn't notice the separate iso spec....looks like they need to fix the
    title for the listing....Dimension DIM Rr 700c Shim Inter-8 36h, Velo
    Aeroheat Blk (WE7503)

    Quoted message said:
    daveornee daveornee.2oi...@no- mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

    If you want another rim why not build it yourself?

    Sledge Hammer said:

    off the shelf solutions are somewhat cheaper, particularly since i
    don't do wheelbuilding as a diy thing and don't have the patience to
    learn....when the bike gets stolen, as all bikes are destined to be,
    every incremental dollar is going to hurt more.

    I've been riding my #1 bike since I bought it in 1972. It doesn't go out
    alone at night. (who knows the company it might keep??) It goes into
    stores/bank/PostOffice with me or I won't go in. Theft is not a
    certainty, you can improve the odds.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  20. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    A shy person said:

    the ultegra/red band comparison is harris's/(sheldon's?).

    Sheldon Brown said:
    Quoted message said:

    No, I believe that was from Shimano's marketeers.
    I've never actually ridden the red band version, both of mine are
    basic Nexi. I like them a LOT!

    Ben C said:

    Correct Latin plural may be nexus, with a long u (pronounced nexoose).

    Ooooh, another 4th declension spotting classics scholar*, nice!

    [*or another classics dilettante, which is also very cool]
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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