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  1. Having hopped on the bike the last couple of evenings (wimping out indoors, both due to plain
    wimping out, and to lessen the vibration on the arm with residual nerve damage), have found it
    aggravates nerve a lot, so cycling appears to be out for the foreseable future (frustrating).

    Having tried a 'bent trike a while back, and loved it, I'm wondering if I'm EVER going to get to a
    stage with the upright where I'm confident enough on the roads, AND that the body doesn't keep
    throwing obstacles in the way to actually doing decent amounts on it.

    So.

    Given I'd be after a trike that's a tadpole, and that I have NO budget for this, AND that I have no
    way to get it indoors, into a shed, etc - can anyone offer anything I could investigate? Source of
    very cheap second-handers etc? NOT prepared to convert existing bike (would rather sell and put
    toward 'bent than butcher what is an excellent audax).

    Oh, and tips on the practicality of keeping a 'bent outside. Unsure what sort of security I could
    manage with it - chaining to ground-anchors perhaps, though not sure how easy they'd be to actually
    install securely enough given I rent...

    Velvet

  2. Velvet must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:

    Having hopped on the bike the last couple of evenings (wimping out indoors, both due to plain
    wimping out, and to lessen the vibration on the arm with residual nerve damage), have found it
    aggravates nerve a lot, so cycling appears to be out for the foreseable future (frustrating).

    Having tried a 'bent trike a while back, and loved it, I'm wondering if I'm EVER going to get to a
    stage with the upright where I'm confident enough on the roads, AND that the body doesn't keep
    throwing obstacles in the way to actually doing decent amounts on it.

    So.

    Given I'd be after a trike that's a tadpole, and that I have NO budget for this, AND that I have
    no way to get it indoors, into a shed, etc - can anyone offer anything I could investigate? Source
    of very cheap second-handers etc? NOT prepared to convert existing bike (would rather sell and put
    toward 'bent than butcher what is an excellent audax).

    Oh, and tips on the practicality of keeping a 'bent outside. Unsure what sort of security I could
    manage with it - chaining to ground-anchors perhaps, though not sure how easy they'd be to
    actually install securely enough given I rent...

    Velvet


    I get used trikes in from time to time in part exchange which I then sell on, nothing at the moment
    but feel free to drop me a line with your details and I will keep you in mind if anything comes in.
    Email me through the website.

    --
    Ian

    catrike.co.ukcatrike.co.uk

  3. Velvet must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:

    Having hopped on the bike the last couple of evenings (wimping out indoors, both due to plain
    wimping out, and to lessen the vibration on the arm with residual nerve damage), have found it
    aggravates nerve a lot, so cycling appears to be out for the foreseable future (frustrating).

    Having tried a 'bent trike a while back, and loved it, I'm wondering if I'm EVER going to get to a
    stage with the upright where I'm confident enough on the roads, AND that the body doesn't keep
    throwing obstacles in the way to actually doing decent amounts on it.

    So.

    Given I'd be after a trike that's a tadpole, and that I have NO budget for this, AND that I have
    no way to get it indoors, into a shed, etc - can anyone offer anything I could investigate? Source
    of very cheap second-handers etc? NOT prepared to convert existing bike (would rather sell and put
    toward 'bent than butcher what is an excellent audax).

    Oh, and tips on the practicality of keeping a 'bent outside. Unsure what sort of security I could
    manage with it - chaining to ground-anchors perhaps, though not sure how easy they'd be to
    actually install securely enough given I rent...

    Velvet


    Also as it happens, I have huge nerve damage to my left arm, they are going through their every few
    months thing of trying to "wake up" at the moment so I am getting the shooting pains up my left arm.
    Although I ride a trike more because of my mashed left knee. My trike weighs under 13kg so I just
    take it inside and hang it on the wall, I've often thought a good solution to outdoor storage would
    be one of those low outdoor garden tool chests you see for sale at B&Q and the like, I know there
    are more professionally built offerings on the market too.

    --
    Ian

    catrike.co.ukcatrike.co.uk

  4. Quoted message said:

    Given I'd be after a trike that's a tadpole, and that I have NO budget for this, AND that I have
    no way to get it indoors, into a shed, etc - can anyone offer anything I could investigate? Source
    of very cheap second-handers etc? NOT prepared to convert existing bike (would rather sell and put
    toward 'bent than butcher what is an excellent audax).

    "No budget" and "recumbent trike" really don't go hand in hand. "Almost no budget" and "2-wheel
    recumbent" do though. I recommend you at least try a few 2-wheel recumbents before committing - and
    don't give up if you can't balance comfortably your first few rides - it can take a little while. If
    you still want a trike after that, I think you'll need to start counting pennies.

    Obvious places to look are velovision.co.uk and eBay.

    A friend has a partially complete LWB 2-wheeler for sale (Vanguard clone). It needs seat mesh,
    steering rod (fork has the right mount though), transmission and brakes (and a paintjob if you want
    it to look pretty - the current one will do though). Frame is new/unused. It's going pretty cheap.
    Email me for more info. ([email hidden])

    Regards

    Mads Hilberg

  5. Ian said:

    Velvet must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:

    Having hopped on the bike the last couple of evenings (wimping out indoors, both due to plain
    wimping out, and to lessen the vibration on the arm with residual nerve damage), have found it
    aggravates nerve a lot, so cycling appears to be out for the foreseable future (frustrating).

    Having tried a 'bent trike a while back, and loved it, I'm wondering if I'm EVER going to get to a
    stage with the upright where I'm confident enough on the roads, AND that the body doesn't keep
    throwing obstacles in the way to actually doing decent amounts on it.

    So.

    Given I'd be after a trike that's a tadpole, and that I have NO budget for this, AND that I have
    no way to get it indoors, into a shed, etc - can anyone offer anything I could investigate? Source
    of very cheap second-handers etc? NOT prepared to convert existing bike (would rather sell and put
    toward 'bent than butcher what is an excellent audax).

    Oh, and tips on the practicality of keeping a 'bent outside. Unsure what sort of security I could
    manage with it - chaining to ground-anchors perhaps, though not sure how easy they'd be to
    actually install securely enough given I rent...

    Velvet

    Also as it happens, I have huge nerve damage to my left arm, they are going through their every
    few months thing of trying to "wake up" at the moment so I am getting the shooting pains up my
    left arm. Although I ride a trike more because of my mashed left knee. My trike weighs under 13kg
    so I just take it inside and hang it on the wall, I've often thought a good solution to outdoor
    storage would be one of those low outdoor garden tool chests you see for sale at B&Q and the like,
    I know there are more professionally built offerings on the market too.

    Hmm, good point about those mini-shed things. I have to get it up a steep flight of steps, hence why
    it's not practical to be got inside (somehow can't see me tipping it on it's side, hefting it to
    shoulder height, and getting up the stairs - or back down) - I can only just manage this with the
    current bike (dawes audax), wimp that I am.

    Velvet

  6. Mads Hilberg said:
    Quoted message said:

    Given I'd be after a trike that's a tadpole, and that I have NO budget for this, AND that I have
    no way to get it indoors, into a shed, etc - can anyone offer anything I could investigate? Source
    of very cheap second-handers etc? NOT prepared to convert existing bike (would rather sell and put
    toward 'bent than butcher what is an excellent audax).

    "No budget" and "recumbent trike" really don't go hand in hand. "Almost no budget" and "2-wheel
    recumbent" do though. I recommend you at least try a few 2-wheel recumbents before committing -
    and don't give up if you can't balance comfortably your first few rides - it can take a little
    while. If you still want a trike after that, I think you'll need to start counting pennies.

    Obvious places to look are velovision.co.uk and eBay.

    A friend has a partially complete LWB 2-wheeler for sale (Vanguard clone). It needs seat mesh,
    steering rod (fork has the right mount though), transmission and brakes (and a paintjob if you
    want it to look pretty - the current one will do though). Frame is new/unused. It's going pretty
    cheap. Email me for more info. ([email hidden])

    Regards

    Mads Hilberg

    I know no budget and 'bent don't go together :-( Have enough problems to know I definitely don't
    want a two-wheel recumbent - much happier on
    3. Hills defeat me because I can't balance whilst crawling up them - not a problem on a trike.

    Thanks for the offer on the 2-wheeler, but really don't want to go that route. Three wheels on my
    'bent or nothing, I think.

    Velvet

  7. I suffer from nerve damage in my hand, don't think it's as severe as yours though.

    My fingers tend to go numb after 2 or so miles of cycling.

    The only solution I've found that works for me is to stay well away from ordinary gloves and mitts
    and use Specialized Body Geometry Comp or the Geometry Pro.

    Wiggle have got the 2002 Pro version in size 9 for £8.49 at the minute.

    "Velvet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Having hopped on the bike the last couple of evenings (wimping out indoors, both due to plain
    wimping out, and to lessen the vibration on the arm with residual nerve damage), have found it
    aggravates nerve a lot, so cycling appears to be out for the foreseable future (frustrating).

    Having tried a 'bent trike a while back, and loved it, I'm wondering if I'm EVER going to get to a
    stage with the upright where I'm confident enough on the roads, AND that the body doesn't keep
    throwing obstacles in the way to actually doing decent amounts on it.

    So.

    Given I'd be after a trike that's a tadpole, and that I have NO budget for this, AND that I have
    no way to get it indoors, into a shed, etc - can anyone offer anything I could investigate? Source
    of very cheap second-handers etc? NOT prepared to convert existing bike (would rather sell and put
    toward 'bent than butcher what is an excellent audax).

    Oh, and tips on the practicality of keeping a 'bent outside. Unsure what sort of security I could
    manage with it - chaining to ground-anchors perhaps, though not sure how easy they'd be to
    actually install securely enough given I rent...

    Velvet

  8. Bob said:

    I suffer from nerve damage in my hand, don't think it's as severe as yours though.

    My fingers tend to go numb after 2 or so miles of cycling.

    The only solution I've found that works for me is to stay well away from ordinary gloves and mitts
    and use Specialized Body Geometry Comp or the Geometry Pro.

    Wiggle have got the 2002 Pro version in size 9 for £8.49 at the minute.

    "Velvet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Having hopped on the bike the last couple of evenings (wimping out indoors, both due to plain
    wimping out, and to lessen the vibration on the arm with residual nerve damage), have found it
    aggravates nerve a lot, so cycling appears to be out for the foreseable future (frustrating).

    Having tried a 'bent trike a while back, and loved it, I'm wondering if I'm EVER going to get to a
    stage with the upright where I'm confident enough on the roads, AND that the body doesn't keep
    throwing obstacles in the way to actually doing decent amounts on it.

    So.

    Given I'd be after a trike that's a tadpole, and that I have NO budget for this, AND that I have
    no way to get it indoors, into a shed, etc - can anyone offer anything I could investigate? Source
    of very cheap second-handers etc? NOT prepared to convert existing bike (would rather sell and put
    toward 'bent than butcher what is an excellent audax).

    Oh, and tips on the practicality of keeping a 'bent outside. Unsure what sort of security I could
    manage with it - chaining to ground-anchors perhaps, though not sure how easy they'd be to
    actually install securely enough given I rent...

    Velvet


    This seems to be in the elbow/wrist (not quite sure which, or both) - tried a different set of
    gloves (both were body geometry with gel padding) and still the same :-( It's been a couple of
    months now, I know nerve damage takes a long time to heal, but...

    *sigh*

    Velvet

  9. Maybe you could build your own? ( another dream I have....). Lots of options on this fairly active homebuilders site.

    http://www.bentrideronline.com/

    look for message board, and then homebuilders

  10. In response to the call of the Dark Side Velvet said:

    Given I'd be after a trike that's a tadpole, and that I have NO budget for this, AND that I have
    no way to get it indoors, into a shed, etc - can anyone offer anything I could investigate?

    I keep my commuter indoors at both ends. I went out to buy a trike, tried some bikes and bought a
    bike. So I suggest you give some bikes a try, you might be surprised and they are undoubtedly easier
    to get into the house.

    Recumbent bikes do feel decidedly odd on loose or slippery surfaces, but experience thus far leads
    me to the conclusion that this is Not A Problem.

    You don't get the stability of a trike, but if the bike does go down you just kind of stand up,
    which on one occasion led to me sliding along a diesel slick in a standing position! I have yet to
    actually hit the ground as a result of ice, oil oar anythign else apart from the time I was run off
    the road - and only because I bailed rather than die under the wheels of the oncoming mobile death
    greenhouse.

    Last winter when it snowed and the whole country ground to a halt I rode my Stinger to work, on
    slick tyres. Many cars crashed, I didn't. So maybe a bike will do the job for you.

    --
    Guy
    ===
    WARNING: may contain traces of irony. Contents may settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  11. Velvet said:

    Having hopped on the bike the last couple of evenings (wimping out indoors, both due to plain
    wimping out, and to lessen the vibration on the arm with residual nerve damage), have found it
    aggravates nerve a lot, so cycling appears to be out for the foreseable future (frustrating).

    Hi Velvet

    What did you do to your arm? I ask as I tripped over a small child called James three weeks ago and
    damaged my right arm. Although the pain isn't too bad most of the time it occasionally gets worse.
    Most of the time I have a "dead" arm with a slight tingling in my wrist but every now and again my
    upper arm ache becomes an upper arm agony.

    My right hand is always a tad tingly. FWIW, I've decided to pop into A&E tomorrow.

    Regards James

    --
    "Sorry mate, I didn't see you" is not a satisfactory excuse.

  12. James Hodson said:
    Velvet said:

    Having hopped on the bike the last couple of evenings (wimping out indoors, both due to plain
    wimping out, and to lessen the vibration on the arm with residual nerve damage), have found it
    aggravates nerve a lot, so cycling appears to be out for the foreseable future (frustrating).

    Hi Velvet

    What did you do to your arm? I ask as I tripped over a small child called James three weeks ago
    and damaged my right arm. Although the pain isn't too bad most of the time it occasionally gets
    worse. Most of the time I have a "dead" arm with a slight tingling in my wrist but every now and
    again my upper arm ache becomes an upper arm agony.

    My right hand is always a tad tingly. FWIW, I've decided to pop into A&E tomorrow.

    Regards James

    I'm not quite sure. I did it whilst sailing, a couple of months back. It was quite windy, and I have
    no recollection of clouting the funny bone, but was covered in bruises in places (not just the arm)
    so the whole body got a bit bashed around (we're talkign dinghy sailing here, not yachts!). The
    whole hand was tingly/numb, with tingling in the elbow joint (or at least provoked by the elbow
    joint), wrist and elbow pain, numbness of fingers off and on, etc. Went to the GP, who said I'd
    damaged two of the three nerves that run down the forearm, and said just rest, don't do anything to
    re-strain it, etc. She mentioned some sort of a nerve conductivity test if it didn't improve - it
    *has* improved, but the symptoms came back worryingly fast after just two short (and by short I mean
    VERY short) stints on the bike last week (20 mins and 40 mins). It seems to be both weight on the
    hand (pulling the joints apart) and taking the weight of the body (compressing the joints) that
    makes it flare up again. Carpal tunnel damage was a potential - and to be fair, I *do* use the
    keyboard a lot for my job, but have done for years, and have never had any signs of RSI before. She
    mentioned I seemed to have inflammation surrounding the nerves which would press on them (causing
    the tingling and numbness) but to be honest I just didn't expect the two stints on the bike to cause
    the return of it quite as much as it did - and bearing in mind this was on the turbo, so no bumps
    and vibration coming up through the bars either!!

    I've made another appt with her to see what else could be done - I may be relying on cycling in
    about a months time to get groceries etc (redundancy looms), and if I can't cycle then I'm a
    bit stuck.

    To address another point, the reason for 3-wheeled trike is both stability and the wish to use
    clipless. Currently on my bike I'm very nervous about stopping. They're just not controlled. I've
    gone from toestraps (which were always very loose) to platforms, to try and get this sussed (it's a
    confidence issue more than anything else) - I went from a lack of confidence on 2 wheels to total
    confidence on 3. With a trike, I can happily stick the spd's on (to prevent leg suck) and benefit
    from the extra power - with 2, I would never feel happy enough that I can get a foot free when
    needed - toestrapped or spd'd, they seem both about the same for the worry factor. And like I said,
    I'd be going up hills on a 'bent very slowly - too slowly to balance - and I don't much fancy
    putting hands down into a wet muddy road as an alternative when stopping :-) Around here, dogs don't
    just do it on the pavements!

    I doubt I'll realise the goal of a 3-wheel 'bent any time soon. I was just interested to know if
    there was anything out there that might fit the requirements, or if anyone does keep theirs
    outdoors. I doubt I'd get even a 2-wheeled one up the stairs and indoors - part of the criteria for
    my current bike was it had to be light, and I can just about manage to shoulder it (has to be
    shouldered to get up the stairs)
    - it's the smalled dawes audax frame from a couple of years back, in 531C reynolds tubing, to give
    you some idea of what I can and can't lift (anythign heavier's a non-starter, I just can't
    manage it).

    Velvet

  13. Velvet must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    James

    I'm not quite sure. I did it whilst sailing, a couple of months back.


    Another sailing nut, cycling and sailing must go together, I was sailing last weekend.

    --
    Ian

    catrike.co.ukcatrike.co.uk

  14. In message <[email hidden]>, Ian <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Velvet must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    James

    I'm not quite sure. I did it whilst sailing, a couple of months back.


    Another sailing nut, cycling and sailing must go together, I was sailing last weekend.


    Yep, me as well. Firefly, Laser & Windcheetah
    --
    Dave Swindell

  15. Dave Swindell said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Ian <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Velvet must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:


    I'm not quite sure. I did it whilst sailing, a couple of months back.


    Another sailing nut, cycling and sailing must go together, I was sailing last weekend.


    Yep, me as well. Firefly, Laser & Windcheetah

    And another. Mine's a 26 foot catamaran...

    Sandy's about here too. Hi Sandy! Mind you his only has a motor.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) jasmine.org.uk~simon

    do not sail on uphill water
    - Bill Lee

  16. Simon Brooke must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:
    Dave Swindell said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Ian <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Velvet must be edykated coz e writed:
    >
    > I'm not quite sure. I did it whilst sailing, a couple of months back.
    Another sailing nut, cycling and sailing must go together, I was sailing last weekend.


    Yep, me as well. Firefly, Laser & Windcheetah

    And another. Mine's a 26 foot catamaran...

    Sandy's about here too. Hi Sandy! Mind you his only has a motor.


    22foot monohull here.

    --
    Ian

    catrike.co.ukcatrike.co.uk

  17. In article <[email hidden]>, Simon Brooke

    Quoted message said:

    And another. Mine's a 26 foot catamaran...

    We went to LOOK at one of these in Greece this year - something like 38 foot with 4 cabins and 2
    loos - electric winches for just about everything
    - fridge/freezer microwave - no dishwasher:-(

    Quoted message said:

    Sandy's about here too. Hi Sandy! Mind you his only has a motor.

    And Ar Bata went into the yard last Tuesday and the weather has been mirror calm ever since - when
    all else fails blame the government!

    --
    A T (Sandy) Morton on the Bicycle Island In the Global Village sandymillport.fsnet.co.uksandymillport.fsnet.co.uk

  18. Sandy Morton said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Simon Brooke

    Quoted message said:

    And another. Mine's a 26 foot catamaran...

    We went to LOOK at one of these in Greece this year - something like 38 foot with 4 cabins and 2
    loos - electric winches for just about everything
    - fridge/freezer microwave - no dishwasher:-(

    Not on mine. The only electricity is for the nav lights, the instruments and the VHF.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sandy's about here too. Hi Sandy! Mind you his only has a motor.

    And Ar Bata went into the yard last Tuesday and the weather has been mirror calm ever since - when
    all else fails blame the government!

    It was glorious out on the water this morning. I was officially only out to tidy up the boat and get
    the sails unbent and stowed but it was so nice I took the Mirror rather than the inflatable to go
    out to the mooring, and then had a good sail before coming back ashore.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) jasmine.org.uk~simon

    do not sail on uphill water
    - Bill Lee

  19. Velvet said:

    Having hopped on the bike the last couple of evenings (wimping out indoors, both due to plain
    wimping out, and to lessen the vibration on the arm with residual nerve damage), have found it
    aggravates nerve a lot, so cycling appears to be out for the foreseable future (frustrating).

    Here's a suggestion that might get me a hard looking into by the Sith Thought Police, but
    considering you've got nothing much to spend, have you thought of something *more* upright than your
    Audax? Remember how Myra switched to her Brompton when Carpal Tunnel was making life hell on the
    "normal bike"? Possible that something similar may be helpful to you, so try something where you can
    sit *completely* upright with no weight on the bars at all. My time limit on a drop bar bike used to
    be elbows and wrists as they have to take a fair bit of weight when you lean forwards to improve the
    aero. But for shortish trips the aero isn't a real issue and as long as you have a good saddle a
    really upright position is something I find considerably more comfortable than the usual leaning
    forwards malarkey.

    As well as cheaper, there's no relearning of balance, and storage is no more of an issue than you
    already have.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
    dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

  20. Peter Clinch must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:
    Velvet said:

    Having hopped on the bike the last couple of evenings (wimping out indoors, both due to plain
    wimping out, and to lessen the vibration on the arm with residual nerve damage), have found it
    aggravates nerve a lot, so cycling appears to be out for the foreseable future (frustrating).

    Here's a suggestion that might get me a hard looking into by the Sith Thought Police,

    Tsk tsk.

    Quoted message said:

    but considering you've got nothing much to spend, have you thought of something *more* upright
    than your Audax? Remember how Myra switched to her Brompton when Carpal Tunnel was making life
    hell on the "normal bike"? Possible that something similar may be helpful to you, so try something
    where you can sit *completely* upright with no weight on the bars at all. My time limit on a drop
    bar bike used to be elbows and wrists as they have to take a fair bit of weight when you lean
    forwards to improve the aero. But for shortish trips the aero isn't a real issue and as long as
    you have a good saddle a really upright position is something I find considerably more comfortable
    than the usual leaning forwards malarkey.


    Get a cheap folder, until you succumb to the dark side.

    --
    Ian

    catrike.co.ukcatrike.co.uk

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