Leather Toe Straps - Still Manufactured ?

"- Bob -" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I see plenty for sale on Ebay (often for ridiculous prices) ... but
what I am wondering is if they are all old-stock or if someone is
still manufacturing them new(christophe, lapize, a. binda, etc) ?

Thanks,

How 'bout:
http://www.somafab.com/toestrap.html
Kerry

- Bob - said:

I see plenty for sale on Ebay (often for ridiculous prices) ... but
what I am wondering is if they are all old-stock or if someone is
still manufacturing them new(christophe, lapize, a. binda, etc) ?

Thanks,

$7 at Nashbar: http://tinyurl.com/37vmzj

Can't be any worse than the old prone to corrode Christophe that I
used in the 80s (could it?). Might pick some up myself, as I like the
rigidity better than nylon. Been eying some of those Soma double gate
clips as well, but the black nylon mtb stuff really is pretty
functional for urban bikes. http://www.somafab.com/toeclip.html

- Bob - said:

I see plenty for sale on Ebay (often for ridiculous prices) ... but
what I am wondering is if they are all old-stock or if someone is
still manufacturing them new(christophe, lapize, a. binda, etc) ?

Modern leather straps are $15 to $30 in various brands.

The ultra-high priced straps are often vintage Binda Supers which have a
killer steel buckle and laminated layers of leather. Those were
expensive new and rare but desirable now. Hence the high prices.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Toestraps belong in the dustbin of history.
They are dangerous around town, practically useless for the ordinary
cyclist etc.

I either use SPDs or plain pedals.

"Garry Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Toestraps belong in the dustbin of history.
They are dangerous around town, practically useless for the ordinary
cyclist etc.

I either use SPDs or plain pedals.

I switched to straps from SPDs on the road bike..
Fine around town for this ordinary cyclist.
Drives the others on the group rides crazy.

Like the SPD's on the mountain bike though.

Garry Lee said:

Toestraps belong in the dustbin of history.

Maybe so.

Quoted message said:

They are dangerous around town, practically useless for the ordinary
cyclist etc.

Disagree. With practice, getting out of a clips/straps pedal is at
least as easy as with the clipless (Look, Campy, Shimano 6610's,
SPD's) I've used. That's with both straps adjusted slightly short of
"sprinting tight", but still with good retention . Tight straps, fresh
cleats? more difficult. OTOH, I've tipped over at a stop when I didn't
get off a clipless pedal correctly, and I've seen it happen to others,
too.

I saw an "ordinary cyclist" (well, he seemed normal, anyhow) the other
day who was using some kind of flat cycling shoe, no cleats, and clips/
straps. That's a real workable setup for getting around, low-medium
volume shopping, etc. No protrusions on the shoe to keep it from
sliding out, good walkability, fairly thick/stiff sole. Good stuff.
Sort of like the old Beta Bikers I used to use for "other" riding back
in the day.

There's a degree of safety offered by clips/straps that is missing
from a plain pedal. You do have to know how to get your feet out
quickly, esp. when using cleats. Easily learned.

The main advantage of strapless over clips/straps is foot comfort, and
avoidance of damage to the feet from long hours of being tightly
strapped in.

I'm sure I'm not the only old(er) guy around here with foot problems
linked to old-style bike pedals, unpadded shoes, and hours in the
saddle with straps cinched up tight. --D-y

Garry Lee said:

Toestraps belong in the dustbin of history.
They are dangerous around town

I bet they have to keep you clear of dangerous spoons as well, no?

landotter said:

- Bob - said:

I see plenty for sale on Ebay (often for ridiculous prices) ... but
what I am wondering is if they are all old-stock or if someone is
still manufacturing them new(christophe, lapize, a. binda, etc) ?

Thanks,

$7 at Nashbar: http://tinyurl.com/37vmzj

Can't be any worse than the old prone to corrode Christophe that I
used in the 80s (could it?). Might pick some up myself, as I like the
rigidity better than nylon. Been eying some of those Soma double gate
clips as well, but the black nylon mtb stuff really is pretty
functional for urban bikes. http://www.somafab.com/toeclip.html

Nylon seems to always hang up on the shoe instead of maintaining an open shape
to stick the foot into.

Ron

Ron

Effect pedal demo's up at http://www.soundclick.com/ronsonicpedalry

RonSonic said:

landotter said:

- Bob - said:

I see plenty for sale on Ebay (often for ridiculous prices) ... but
what I am wondering is if they are all old-stock or if someone is
still manufacturing them new(christophe, lapize, a. binda, etc) ?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thanks,

Quoted message said:

$7 at Nashbar:http://tinyurl.com/37vmzj

Quoted message said:

Can't be any worse than the old prone to corrode Christophe that I
used in the 80s (could it?). Might pick some up myself, as I like the
rigidity better than nylon. Been eying some of those Soma double gate
clips as well, but the black nylon mtb stuff really is pretty
functional for urban bikes. http://www.somafab.com/toeclip.html

Nylon seems to always hang up on the shoe instead of maintaining an open shape
to stick the foot into.

You must have tried some *really* soft toe clips.

/snort

Quoted message said:

Garry Lee said:

Toestraps belong in the dustbin of history.

Maybe so.

Quoted message said:

They are dangerous around town, practically useless for the ordinary
cyclist etc.

Disagree. With practice, getting out of a clips/straps pedal is at
least as easy as with the clipless (Look, Campy, Shimano 6610's,
SPD's) I've used. That's with both straps adjusted slightly short of
"sprinting tight", but still with good retention . Tight straps, fresh
cleats? more difficult. OTOH, I've tipped over at a stop when I didn't
get off a clipless pedal correctly, and I've seen it happen to others,
too.

I saw an "ordinary cyclist" (well, he seemed normal, anyhow) the other
day who was using some kind of flat cycling shoe, no cleats, and clips/
straps. That's a real workable setup for getting around, low-medium
volume shopping, etc. No protrusions on the shoe to keep it from
sliding out, good walkability, fairly thick/stiff sole. Good stuff.
Sort of like the old Beta Bikers I used to use for "other" riding back
in the day.

There's a degree of safety offered by clips/straps that is missing
from a plain pedal. You do have to know how to get your feet out
quickly, esp. when using cleats. Easily learned.

The skills that you needed to learn to do cycling were part of the
fun. Today everything clicks and you don't need to think. It's
probably why we keep seeing automatic transmission for cycles being
"invented" - people think that if they dumb it down they can make
money.

Guess what, they are correct.

Wasn't long ago I was at the LBS and a fellow came in and asked if
someone would do a lube job on his chain; he had noticed it squeaking.

Quoted message said:

Garry Lee said:

Toestraps belong in the dustbin of history.
They are dangerous around town

I bet they have to keep you clear of dangerous spoons as well, no?

He's waiting for the Shimano SpoonSystem (tm) which comes with an
integrated bib-placer and tooth-protector; the latter has been proven
by TRT to prevent 85% of injuries to the legs.

On Mar 28, 11:52 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I wouldn't call clips and straps dangerous, but to say they're as easy
to get out as clipless pedals is simply not true.

If you are wearing cleats, this is true. If we are talking about town
bikes and street shoes, not true.

I had SPDs on my Wanta:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc152-forbesbb0906.html

But I switched back to some nice old KKT quills I had in a box. They
are somewhat easier to get in and out of when I wear street shoes,
which I am always doing when I tow my daughter around in a trailer, go
shopping, etc. Note that I generally keep the straps fairly loose
when I am doing these things.

I still haven't taken the plunge into platform pedals with no clips or
straps on my town bikes, but Grant P. makes an interesting case for
this.

Yours,

Forbes B-Black
Santa Clarita, CA

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Garry Lee said:

Toestraps belong in the dustbin of history.

Maybe so.

Quoted message said:

They are dangerous around town, practically useless for the ordinary
cyclist etc.

Disagree. With practice, getting out of a clips/straps pedal is at
least as easy as with the clipless (Look, Campy, Shimano 6610's,
SPD's) I've used. That's with both straps adjusted slightly short of
"sprinting tight", but still with good retention .

I wouldn't call clips and straps dangerous, but to say they're as easy
to get out as clipless pedals is simply not true.

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RonSonic said:

landotter said:

- Bob - said:

I see plenty for sale on Ebay (often for ridiculous prices) ... but
what I am wondering is if they are all old-stock or if someone is
still manufacturing them new(christophe, lapize, a. binda, etc) ?

Thanks,

$7 at Nashbar: http://tinyurl.com/37vmzj

Can't be any worse than the old prone to corrode Christophe that I
used in the 80s (could it?). Might pick some up myself, as I like the
rigidity better than nylon. Been eying some of those Soma double gate
clips as well, but the black nylon mtb stuff really is pretty
functional for urban bikes. http://www.somafab.com/toeclip.html

Nylon seems to always hang up on the shoe instead of maintaining an open shape
to stick the foot into.

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RonSonic said:

landotter said:

- Bob - said:

I see plenty for sale on Ebay (often for ridiculous prices) ... but
what I am wondering is if they are all old-stock or if someone is
still manufacturing them new(christophe, lapize, a. binda, etc) ?

Thanks,

$7 at Nashbar: http://tinyurl.com/37vmzj

Can't be any worse than the old prone to corrode Christophe that I
used in the 80s (could it?). Might pick some up myself, as I like the
rigidity better than nylon. Been eying some of those Soma double gate
clips as well, but the black nylon mtb stuff really is pretty
functional for urban bikes. http://www.somafab.com/toeclip.html

Nylon seems to always hang up on the shoe instead of maintaining an open shape
to stick the foot into.

Nylon clips are better than metal. Leather straps, with reinforcement
inside, are better than nylon for the reason you mention.
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Quoted message said:

The skills that you needed to learn to do cycling were part of the
fun. Today everything clicks and you don't need to think. It's
probably why we keep seeing automatic transmission for cycles being
"invented" - people think that if they dumb it down they can make
money.

Guess what, they are correct.

Yeah, I really miss knowing how to saddle up a horse too. And buggy
whip technique has gone all to hell. Kids these days.

I rode clips and straps long after my peers in racing due to a
generally conservative nature. I could ride them again if I had to.
But I don't miss that all and see no point in considering knowing how
to use them a valuable skill. There was no pleasure in it.
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On Mar 28, 1:52 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
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(I wrote):

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Disagree. With practice, getting out of a clips/straps pedal is at
least as easy as with the clipless (Look, Campy, Shimano 6610's,
SPD's) I've used. That's with both straps adjusted slightly short of
"sprinting tight", but still with good retention .

(JFT responded):

Quoted message said:

I wouldn't call clips and straps dangerous, but to say they're as easy
to get out as clipless pedals is simply not true.

Well, I set a condition. Amplifying: With the plastic cleats (Sidi
white, Diadora, Maressi), I used to run the left fairly snug, but not
pulled tight, and adjusted somewhat accurately for cleat wear <g>. The
right, I'd run looser for stop lights and so on, and tighten that
extra notch once out of town. So, the right would usually be easy to
get out of, the left took a good hard pull.

I'd say the left was more difficult to exit than the Campy Profits and
Shimano 6610 pedals I've used, release tension set somewhere tighter
than "easiest", while the looser-adjusted right foot was usually quite
a bit easier, unless I forgot that I'd tightened the strap, in which
case a quick swipe at the buckle, or maybe a good hard yank on the
left foot, could ensure a soft landing. Or, once or twice, someone had
to save me--remember "Catch me!!!"? We had one of those recently on a
group ride, the youngsters didn't understand and didn't react. Dirt in
the pedal, whatever, it didn't release; I reached over and held the
guy up. No crash, funny after. Time or Look; I think it was a Time.

I did a tonk-over at a light a few months ago with the 6610's. Just
didn't rotate the right foot hard enough and ran out of time due to a
preset trajectory to landing zone <g>. That ankle took a shot in an
SUV/bicycle a couple of years ago and just isn't what it used to be.
But then, what is, you know?

City riding, I'd probably go SPD, FWIW, based on using those in Spin
class and seeing good riders hang in moderately fast groups with SPD
sandals on, FWIW, since I can't use straps anymore.

The right foot loose thing was a well-practiced routine, beginning the
day seven or eight of us newbie riders overlapped wheels while
stopping at a busy intersection, and went down like dominoes when
several feet didn't come readily out of pedals. Very embarrassing,
don't you know... --D-y

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Garry Lee said:

Toestraps belong in the dustbin of history.

Quoted message said:

Maybe so.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They are dangerous around town, practically useless for the ordinary
cyclist etc.

Quoted message said:

Disagree. With practice, getting out of a clips/straps pedal is at
least as easy as with the clipless (Look, Campy, Shimano 6610's,
SPD's) I've used. That's with both straps adjusted slightly short of
"sprinting tight", but still with good retention . Tight straps, fresh
cleats? more difficult. OTOH, I've tipped over at a stop when I didn't
get off a clipless pedal correctly, and I've seen it happen to others,
too.

Quoted message said:

I saw an "ordinary cyclist" (well, he seemed normal, anyhow) the other
day who was using some kind of flat cycling shoe, no cleats, and clips/
straps. That's a real workable setup for getting around, low-medium
volume shopping, etc. No protrusions on the shoe to keep it from
sliding out, good walkability, fairly thick/stiff sole. Good stuff.
Sort of like the old Beta Bikers I used to use for "other" riding back
in the day.

Quoted message said:

There's a degree of safety offered by clips/straps that is missing
from a plain pedal. You do have to know how to get your feet out
quickly, esp. when using cleats. Easily learned.

The skills that you needed to learn to do cycling were part of the
fun. Today everything clicks and you don't need to think. It's
probably why we keep seeing automatic transmission for cycles being
"invented" - people think that if they dumb it down they can make
money.

Guess what, they are correct.

Wasn't long ago I was at the LBS and a fellow came in and asked if
someone would do a lube job on his chain; he had noticed it squeaking

There is another "jtaylor" from Canada that posts to these bicycle
NGs. He's a proven psychotic nutball living in mortal fear of bicycle
helmets. You two aren't related by any chance, are you?

On Mar 28, 1:07 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

With no cleats on clipless pedals the feet seem even easier to get out
of than the same situation with clips and straps. You can take your
foot of the pedal by lifitng your foot, pushing it forward, to the
side. In fact, in almost any direction. Can you do that with clips
and straps, even without cleats?

Yah, sure, you betcha. But I like the benefits imparted by clips and
straps, or I'd be riding without them anyway. At that point, the
platforms on "standard" pedals would support my big ole size 15 feet
(you remember my massive feet, don't you JT?) better than the itty-
bitty SPDs. So, I ride with clips and straps to keep my foot in the
right position and to give the a bit of ability to pull up on the
pedal stroke, but when I need to get out of them quick, I just pull my
foot back.

My go-fast bikes have SPDs or looks.

- Forbes