"Twenty-one cyclists have been killed in accidents with lorries in London between January 1999 and 2004 – the majority (85 per cent) were women. A spokeswoman said: "Lorry drivers must look out for cyclists. But at the same time cyclists must be aware of the dangers of cycling too close to heavy lorries.""
I think the cyclist gets crushed between the left-turning lorry and pedestrian railings or parked cars etc. Nasty. Don't undertake lorries near junctions is the message.
I'm off to the Philippines for a month. No lorries out there. Barely any roads and plenty of big potholes too...
"Twenty-one cyclists have been killed in accidents with lorries in London between January 1999 and 2004 – the majority (85 per cent) were women. A spokeswoman said: "Lorry drivers must look out for cyclists. But at the same time cyclists must be aware of the dangers of cycling too close to heavy lorries.""
How strange that such a high proportion should be women.
I suppose it is a rather small sample so it may just be a statistical anomaly.
"Twenty-one cyclists have been killed in accidents with lorries in London between January 1999 and 2004 - the majority (85 per cent) were women. A spokeswoman said: "Lorry drivers must look out for cyclists. But at the same time cyclists must be aware of the dangers of cycling too close to heavy lorries.""
I think the cyclist gets crushed between the left-turning lorry and pedestrian railings or parked cars etc. Nasty. Don't undertake lorries near junctions is the message.
It doesn't matter too much whether the lorry is turning left or right. Indeed, a right-turning lorry can be more dangerous as the trailer will swing out towards the left and rather too many road users remain blissfully ignorant of this.
As a general rule, keep well away from lorries.
Cheers, Luke
-- Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush
"Twenty-one cyclists have been killed in accidents with lorries in London between January 1999 and 2004 - the majority (85 per cent) were women. A spokeswoman said: "Lorry drivers must look out for cyclists. But at the same time cyclists must be aware of the dangers of cycling too close to heavy lorries.""
I think the cyclist gets crushed between the left-turning lorry and pedestrian railings or parked cars etc. Nasty. Don't undertake lorries near junctions is the message.
There's also the problem of lorries overtaking cyclists and doing this, so the cyclist can't hold back. -- peter
"Twenty-one cyclists have been killed in accidents with lorries in London between January 1999 and 2004 – the majority (85 per cent) were women. A spokeswoman said: "Lorry drivers must look out for cyclists. But at the same time cyclists must be aware of the dangers of cycling too close to heavy lorries.""
How strange that such a high proportion should be women.
I suppose it is a rather small sample so it may just be a statistical anomaly.
Velorution puts it down to a lack of assertiveness
"Twenty-one cyclists have been killed in accidents with lorries in London between January 1999 and 2004 – the majority (85 per cent) were women. A spokeswoman said: "Lorry drivers must look out for cyclists. But at the same time cyclists must be aware of the dangers of cycling too close to heavy lorries.""
How strange that such a high proportion should be women.
I suppose it is a rather small sample so it may just be a statistical anomaly.
Velorution puts it down to a lack of assertiveness
"Twenty-one cyclists have been killed in accidents with lorries in London between January 1999 and 2004 - the majority (85 per cent) were women. A spokeswoman said: "Lorry drivers must look out for cyclists. But at the same time cyclists must be aware of the dangers of cycling too close to heavy lorries.""
I think the cyclist gets crushed between the left-turning lorry and pedestrian railings or parked cars etc. Nasty. Don't undertake lorries near junctions is the message.
It doesn't matter too much whether the lorry is turning left or right.
Yes it does. The blind spot is on the opposite side to the driver, so turning left presents more risks.
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Indeed, a right-turning lorry can be more dangerous as the trailer will swing out towards the left
Nope, only the back of the trailer will swing a bit to the left, not much of a risk for cyclists. It's the back wheels cutting off the corner as it were which presents the biggest danger to cyclists.
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As a general rule, keep well away from lorries.
Better to inform cyclists about the blind spots on lorries.
"Twenty-one cyclists have been killed in accidents with lorries in London between January 1999 and 2004 - the majority (85 per cent) were women. A spokeswoman said: "Lorry drivers must look out for cyclists. But at the same time cyclists must be aware of the dangers of cycling too close to heavy lorries.""
I think the cyclist gets crushed between the left-turning lorry and pedestrian railings or parked cars etc. Nasty. Don't undertake lorries near junctions is the message.
There's also the problem of lorries overtaking cyclists and doing this, so the cyclist can't hold back.
So Velorutions comment on assertiveness could be right on the mark. If women could stop the lorries overtaking, they may be safer.
"Twenty-one cyclists have been killed in accidents with lorries in London between January 1999 and 2004 - the majority (85 per cent) were women. A spokeswoman said: "Lorry drivers must look out for cyclists. But at the same time cyclists must be aware of the dangers of cycling too close to heavy lorries.""
I think the cyclist gets crushed between the left-turning lorry and pedestrian railings or parked cars etc. Nasty. Don't undertake lorries near junctions is the message.
It doesn't matter too much whether the lorry is turning left or right.
Yes it does. The blind spot is on the opposite side to the driver, so turning left presents more risks.
See below, please, for why I disagree. It's also worth considering that many HGVs are left-hand drive.
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Indeed, a right-turning lorry can be more dangerous as the trailer will swing out towards the left
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Nope, only the back of the trailer will swing a bit to the left, not much of a risk for cyclists.
Well, I don't know about where you live, but the council round here have a tendency to fence off some corners. I would not like to be caught between a lorry and a metal fence.
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It's the back wheels cutting off the corner as it were which presents the biggest danger to cyclists.
It's certainly one of the dangers. I would continue to recommend keeping well out of the way.
Cheers, Luke
-- Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush
> I think the cyclist gets crushed between the left-turning lorry and > pedestrian railings or parked cars etc. Nasty. Don't undertake > lorries near junctions is the message.
It doesn't matter too much whether the lorry is turning left or right.
Yes it does. The blind spot is on the opposite side to the driver, so turning left presents more risks.
See below, please, for why I disagree. It's also worth considering that many HGVs are left-hand drive.
That is why I said "opposite side to the driver".
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Indeed, a right-turning lorry can be more dangerous as the trailer will swing out towards the left
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Nope, only the back of the trailer will swing a bit to the left, not much of a risk for cyclists.
Well, I don't know about where you live, but the council round here have a tendency to fence off some corners. I would not like to be caught between a lorry and a metal fence.
It just does not happen like that. If the junction is big enough for fences then the lorry will be positioned to the right nowhere near any fence. Being run over by the wheels is the big danger.
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It's the back wheels cutting off the corner as it were which presents the biggest danger to cyclists.
It's certainly one of the dangers. I would continue to recommend keeping well out of the way.
You can't just avoid lorries, where would you recommend cyclists to take up position wrt lorries then? Since the introduction of the mandatory extra DOBLI mirror on lorries in Holland in 2003, these sort of fatalities have been reduced by 50%. http://www.dobli.com/talen/english.html
>> I think the cyclist gets crushed between the left-turning lorry and >> pedestrian railings or parked cars etc. Nasty. Don't undertake >> lorries near junctions is the message. > > It doesn't matter too much whether the lorry is turning left or > right.
Yes it does. The blind spot is on the opposite side to the driver, so turning left presents more risks.
See below, please, for why I disagree. It's also worth considering that many HGVs are left-hand drive.
That is why I said "opposite side to the driver".
Please reread what you wrote directly after that: 'so turning left presents more risks.'
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> Indeed, a right-turning lorry can be more dangerous as the trailer > will swing out towards the left
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Nope, only the back of the trailer will swing a bit to the left, not much of a risk for cyclists.
Well, I don't know about where you live, but the council round here have a tendency to fence off some corners. I would not like to be caught between a lorry and a metal fence.
It just does not happen like that. If the junction is big enough for fences then the lorry will be positioned to the right nowhere near any fence.
Will it? That has certainly not always been my experience. Indeed, some relatively minor roads have fenced junctions round here. There's a particularly bad example near Ribble Cycles and the rear of lorries can still swing out towards other road users, wherever the lorry may be positioned.
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Being run over by the wheels is the big danger.
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It's the back wheels cutting off the corner as it were which presents the biggest danger to cyclists.
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It's certainly one of the dangers. I would continue to recommend keeping well out of the way.
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You can't just avoid lorries, where would you recommend cyclists to take up position wrt lorries then?
At any junction, it is prudent for other vehicles to take up a position away from lorries: either behind or well to one side.
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Since the introduction of the mandatory extra DOBLI mirror on lorries in Holland in 2003, these sort of fatalities have been reduced by 50%. http://www.dobli.com/talen/english.html
Which is great.
Cheers, Luke
-- Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET) Swansea City 2-2 Southend United We went up twice with Tilly and Brush
