Hey Chung

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Robert Chung said:

Phil Holman said:

> There are lots of questions that could have been better than the one
> that was asked, but the startling thing was that the responses
> received from the bloggers were 59 to 0.

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Extreme but what would you expect from an extremely biased sample
selection.

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Well, the interesting thing isn't that biased samples produce odd results:
it's that the sample was selected according to position on a political, not
scientific, spectrum. One could easily expect that opinions on the war, on
the President's performance, or on Democratic legislator's motivations would
be affected. That's dog bites man stuff. But what was the a prior
expectation about their position on a scientific topic? I wouldn't have
expected this litmus test to have performed so well.

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But I guess I'm naive because I was also pretty surprised about the divide
on the estimates of excess mortality in Iraq. Those estimates appear to have
about as much support as the AGW stuff does by professionals in their
respective fields.

Dumbass -

The discrepancies between the Lancet Study which claimed 650,000
deaths and the DoD figures was about 12 to 1. Look at what the Iraq
Study Group found.

From:http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Dec07/0,4670,IraqIntelligence,00.html

The group also said that intelligence officials are underreporting the
violence in Iraq. Its official counts leave out the deaths of Iraqis,
sectarian attacks whose source can't be determined and bombings or
other attacks that don't hurt U.S. personnel.

"On one day in July 2006, there were 93 attacks or significant acts of
violence reported," the study said. "Yet a careful review of the
reports for that single day brought to light 1,100 acts of violence."

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There is also about a 12 to 1 ratio there. Explains it. If the
incident doesn't involve US personnel, it doesn't count as a death.

BTW, I put in a report from Faux News just so the idiots in here don't
start screaming about the evil, inaccurate liberal media.

thanks,

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Not new news. I think that's more [censored] that I didn't post weeks ago
from a miltary source. Fox is just as disgusted with Bush and Co. as
anyone else, excepting the nutjobs like Hannity, Malkin, and Coulter.
Bill C

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

The group also said that intelligence officials are underreporting the
violence in Iraq. Its official counts leave out the deaths of Iraqis,
sectarian attacks whose source can't be determined and bombings or
other attacks that don't hurt U.S. personnel.

"On one day in July 2006, there were 93 attacks or significant acts of
violence reported," the study said. "Yet a careful review of the
reports for that single day brought to light 1,100 acts of violence."

Bah! This claim of "underreporting" is coming from someone who obviously
hates America! The official reports are just focusing on the positive as
the White House says they should, and 93 attacks is much more positive than
1,100.

NS
asst to Tony Snow

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Bah! This claim of "underreporting" is coming from someone who obviously
hates America!

We've got a pretty detailed profile on him,
maybe it's time to let someone know about Chung.

https://tips.fbi.gov/

On 3/4/07 8:18 PM, in article HSMGh.1237151$R63.160745@pd7urf1no, "Jack

Maars said:

"Nev Shea" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Bah! This claim of "underreporting" is coming from someone who obviously
hates America!

We've got a pretty detailed profile on him,
maybe it's time to let someone know about Chung.

https://tips.fbi.gov/

http://www.ice.gov/pi/investigations/wanted/robert_ma.htm

ALIAS:
Bao Ping Ma, Robert Ping Chung Ma???

ST said:

On 3/4/07 8:18 PM, in article HSMGh.1237151$R63.160745@pd7urf1no, "Jack

Maars said:

"Nev Shea" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bah! This claim of "underreporting" is coming from someone who obviously
hates America!

Quoted message said:

We've got a pretty detailed profile on him,
maybe it's time to let someone know about Chung.

Quoted message said:

https://tips.fbi.gov/

http://www.ice.gov/pi/investigations/wanted/robert_ma.htm

ALIAS:
Bao Ping Ma, Robert Ping Chung Ma???

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Kurgan Gringioni said:

I know it's not new news, but Chung wondered about the casualty
estimate discrepancy.

No, I wasn't wondering about the discrepancy. I was simply pointing out
that, on a topic over which there is essentially zero professional
disagreement, lay positions are well-predicted on political grounds. The
Australian PM dismissed the estimates for being "based only on a random
door-to-door survey."

Robert Chung said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

I know it's not new news, but Chung wondered about the casualty
estimate discrepancy.

No, I wasn't wondering about the discrepancy. I was simply pointing out
that, on a topic over which there is essentially zero professional
disagreement, lay positions are well-predicted on political grounds. The
Australian PM dismissed the estimates for being "based only on a random
door-to-door survey."

Dumbass -

Sorry about that. I was avoiding looking at most of that thread in an
effort to preserve the troll index.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 03:41:46 GMT, Nev Shea <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bah! This claim of "underreporting" is coming from someone who obviously
hates America! The official reports are just focusing on the positive as
the White House says they should, and 93 attacks is much more positive than
1,100.

You got that right. Why all this negative reporting on dead people,
when any camera team can show you that there are way, way more living
Iraqis and living U.S. soldiers than dead. So far. So until that
changes, I say, be positive! Walk on the Sunni side of the street...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Curtis L. Russell said:

I say, be positive! Walk on the Sunni side of the street...

And don't take any Shiite.

Nev Shea said:

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote innews:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

The group also said that intelligence officials are underreporting the
violence in Iraq. Its official counts leave out the deaths of Iraqis,
sectarian attacks whose source can't be determined and bombings or
other attacks that don't hurt U.S. personnel.

Quoted message said:

"On one day in July 2006, there were 93 attacks or significant acts of
violence reported," the study said. "Yet a careful review of the
reports for that single day brought to light 1,100 acts of violence."

Bah! This claim of "underreporting" is coming from someone who obviously
hates America! The official reports are just focusing on the positive as
the White House says they should, and 93 attacks is much more positive than
1,100.

NS
asst to Tony Snow

Laura says there is "just one little bombing a day." She should know!

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On Mar 4, 8:41 pm, Nev Shea <[email hidden]> wrote:

Laura says there is "just one little bombing a day." She should know!

I accidently tuned into a "progressive" talk show today just in time to hear
a woman announce that under Saddam women had almost achieved equality in
Iraq but now that the Shiites and Sunnis are in power they've lost
everything.

Ahh, such is Liberalism.

Bill C said:

Tibet and Sudan are perfect long and short term examples of the
pacifist/left startegy of talk only in action.
Tibet's culture is pretty much being exterminated according to most
reports, but this would've been a really tough go for the UN. There is
NO excuse for total lack of any effective action at all by the world

Dumbass -

That's what happens in the real world. Small, weak cultures get
squashed by bigger more powerful ones. What is happening in Tibet is
no different than what happened to the Native Americans in this
country. It's "unfair" and "inhumane" and all that, but we can't stop
China from doing it anymore than a foreign nation could have stopped
the United States from doing it.

Iraq is a perfect example of what happens when a nation interferes in
the affairs of a culture it doesn't understand. All the people who
voted for that war thought we were doing a good thing for the people
of Iraq. Well, we didn't. We shouldn't try to "fix" other cultures
that we don't understand. We can't "fix" Iraq. We can't "fix" Tibet.
We can't fix Sudan. We couldn't fix Somalia.

They've all gotta do it for themselves.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Dumbass -

I think we should get out. They really, really want to kill each
other. There's been so much bloodletting, so much that under their
cultural obligation to avenge the dead . . . it's just an irresistable
force at this point. There's nothing we can do to stop it. The best we
can do is try to pressure the other regional players to keep the
bloodshed contained within Iraq.

Oh ya. We gotta remember to declare victory before getting out.
Mission Accomplished!

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Al Qaeda in Iraq is still the dominant "civic" force in Anbar province.

Since I was fully in favor of sending US Marines into Rwanda in 1995(?),
I cannot countenance removing American forces from Iraq. I am however
quite willing to viciously punish those responsible for putting our
people there in the first place and unleashing forces that we are
incapable of preventing.

--
Lynn Wallace

If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
speaking German now.

Raptor said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Dumbass -

Quoted message said:

I think we should get out. They really, really want to kill each
other. There's been so much bloodletting, so much that under their
cultural obligation to avenge the dead . . . it's just an irresistable
force at this point. There's nothing we can do to stop it. The best we
can do is try to pressure the other regional players to keep the
bloodshed contained within Iraq.

Quoted message said:

Oh ya. We gotta remember to declare victory before getting out.
Mission Accomplished!

Quoted message said:

thanks,

Quoted message said:

K. Gringioni.

Al Qaeda in Iraq is still the dominant "civic" force in Anbar province.

Since I was fully in favor of sending US Marines into Rwanda in 1995(?),
I cannot countenance removing American forces from Iraq. I am however
quite willing to viciously punish those responsible for putting our
people there in the first place and unleashing forces that we are
incapable of preventing.

--
Lynn Wallace

If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
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I think we are going to have to pull out, we've made it clear that we
are going to, and Al-Sadr and the others have gone to ground, or safe
havens in neighboring countries until we do. They are all stocking up
on arms, weapons, and outside political/religious support.
I'm betting Kurgan is right on the money. the war is going to happen,
the Sunnis are going to be crushed, and there will be "peace" just as
there was under Saddam, or in Iran now. We won't go back in no matter
what, once we leave. No politician in the US is going to commit
suicide that way.
One of Gerald Fords regrets was abandoning S. Vietnam despite our
guarantees if the North attacked again. His only solace was "I
would've been impeached in a minute if I'd honored our treaty.", and
he would've. Same situation again.
I'm in total agreement on hanging Bush and Co. after the election, as
long as you don't hold responsible those who voted based on the cooked
intelligence. If your honest you've got to give Hillary and friends a
free pass on this one. They thought they took a responsible stand
based on solid information. What they didn't know was that, what is
very possibly the most criminal administration in US history had
seriously altered what they should have been seeing.
I actually voted for this pinhead the first time. He didn't quite
turn out to be what he claimed to be before the first election either.
Bill C

Bill C said:

... I'm in total agreement on hanging Bush and Co. after the election, as
long as you don't hold responsible those who voted based on the cooked
intelligence. If your honest you've got to give Hillary and friends a
free pass on this one. They thought they took a responsible stand
based on solid information.

No freakin way.
Sure everyone assumed Saddam had WMD. But
anyone with half a brain cell could also see that the
'intelligence' had been and was being cooked, even
then, and it was clear to anyone with half a brain cell
that WMD was just the latest in a string of justifications
anyway. Many people were talking about this openly
and in public at the time. Hillary and Co. cast their
votes pro-war because it was the popular thing to
do. No free passes.

Robert

Bill C said:

I'm in total agreement on hanging Bush and Co. after the election, as
long as you don't hold responsible those who voted based on the cooked
intelligence. If your honest you've got to give Hillary and friends a
free pass on this one. They thought they took a responsible stand
based on solid information. What they didn't know was that, what is
very possibly the most criminal administration in US history had
seriously altered what they should have been seeing.
I actually voted for this pinhead the first time. He didn't quite
turn out to be what he claimed to be before the first election either.
Bill C- Hide quoted text -

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Add Scooter Libby to the list of fall guys who got tossed to the
wolves while the people actually calling the shots, and orchestrating
this stuff walk free. Watch 'em tie it up in appeals and then pardon
him on the way out the door.
He did a lot less than a [censored] of those Clinton pardoned, so I'd
say it sucks, but that's how the game is played.
Bill C

* "Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit

Quoted message said:

Bill C said:

I'm in total agreement on hanging Bush and Co. after the election, as
long as you don't hold responsible those who voted based on the cooked
intelligence. If your honest you've got to give Hillary and friends a
free pass on this one. They thought they took a responsible stand
based on solid information. What they didn't know was that, what is
very possibly the most criminal administration in US history had
seriously altered what they should have been seeing.
I actually voted for this pinhead the first time. He didn't quite
turn out to be what he claimed to be before the first election either.
Bill C- Hide quoted text -

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Add Scooter Libby to the list of fall guys who got tossed to the
wolves while the people actually calling the shots, and orchestrating
this stuff walk free. Watch 'em tie it up in appeals and then pardon
him on the way out the door.
He did a lot less than a [censored] of those Clinton pardoned, so I'd
say it sucks, but that's how the game is played.

You sure got that right

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* "Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit

Quoted message said:

Bill C said:

I'm in total agreement on hanging Bush and Co. after the election, as
long as you don't hold responsible those who voted based on the cooked
intelligence. If your honest you've got to give Hillary and friends a
free pass on this one. They thought they took a responsible stand
based on solid information. What they didn't know was that, what is
very possibly the most criminal administration in US history had
seriously altered what they should have been seeing.
I actually voted for this pinhead the first time. He didn't quite
turn out to be what he claimed to be before the first election either.
Bill C- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Add Scooter Libby to the list of fall guys who got tossed to the
wolves while the people actually calling the shots, and orchestrating
this stuff walk free. Watch 'em tie it up in appeals and then pardon
him on the way out the door.
He did a lot less than a [censored] of those Clinton pardoned, so I'd
say it sucks, but that's how the game is played.
Bill C

AFP is flashing "Guilty as Charged" verdict in Libby Trial

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Bill C said:

Obama's plan sounds like the Vietnam peace treaty, with the same
wortless guarantees we gave the S. Vietnamese. Love how this [censored] just
gets recycled and they expect different results.
Bill C

At a certain point, "Peace, with honor" is going to sound pretty good to
everyone. The left, which buried it's head in the sand when we went to
war, will succeed when the right buries it's head.

But don't blame the politicians. They're just doing what they need to
do to get re-elected.