Double standards at work.

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:54:46 -0000 someone who may be "Simon Mason"
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Anyhow, last week a German colleague had his bike stolen from the
sheds and all that was done was an e-mail circular to remind people to
secure their belongings. Impossible with wheel benders, but there you go.

Last week a car had its tyres slashed, so what happens? Security are sifting
through hours of CCTV to see if the culprit can be found! The nicked bike is
ignored.

Can you complain about the double standards? Or at least point them
out in some forum?

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On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:54:46 -0000 someone who may be "Simon Mason"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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Anyhow, last week a German colleague had his bike stolen from the
sheds and all that was done was an e-mail circular to remind people to
secure their belongings. Impossible with wheel benders, but there you go.

Last week a car had its tyres slashed, so what happens? Security are
sifting
through hours of CCTV to see if the culprit can be found! The nicked bike
is
ignored.

Can you complain about the double standards? Or at least point them
out in some forum?

We have an employee forum. It took 5 years and an appeal to one of the very
top management in the USA to get the idea of secure facilities even onto the
agenda. This was because the same people I had shopped to an independent
ombudsman about cycle lamp discrimination were so peed off that they blocked
my attempts at every turn.

When I finally forced it onto the agenda, they sent out a survey sitewide to
see if there was sufficient demand, but with the caveat that these Sheffield
stands were so expensive that other projects would suffer from lack of cash!
35 quid each!

I made sure over 100 people voted for them and then the bloke concerned said
that there was "insufficient demand", which was a lie. I then gave up. When
you are up against lairs and cheats, then you've no chance. Watching them
puffing and wheezing from the car park is my revenge ;-)

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Simon Mason said the following on 02/03/2007 12:33:

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This was because the same people I had shopped to an independent
ombudsman about cycle lamp discrimination were so peed off that they blocked
my attempts at every turn.

I've got to ask as this is the second time you've mentioned it - how can
you discriminate against cycle lamps in the workplace?

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Simon Mason said the following on 02/03/2007 12:33:

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This was because the same people I had shopped to an independent
ombudsman about cycle lamp discrimination were so peed off that they
blocked my attempts at every turn.

I've got to ask as this is the second time you've mentioned it - how can
you discriminate against cycle lamps in the workplace?

Chemical site, so there is a ban on "sources of ignition". This includes
matches and lighters obviously, but any battery operated equipment should be
handed in to the gatehouse. Fair enough, but car drivers can take in car
keys, car keys with led torches on, car key ring torches, mobile phones,
personal organisers, Blackberries, Palm Pilots, laptops with exploding Li
ion power packs, Sat Navs etc etc. In their hundreds.

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Simon Mason said:

Chemical site, so there is a ban on "sources of ignition".

Simon, acetylene lights are SO passe these days.
While you're at it, I know fixed wheels are all the rage these days,
but the new safety bicycles are much easier to get on that your Ordinary :-)

Simon Mason wrote on 02/03/2007 10:54 +0100:

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Last week a car had its tyres slashed, so what happens? Security are sifting
through hours of CCTV to see if the culprit can be found! The nicked bike is
ignored. Not only that we are having a HSSE week soon and I have been told
to attend Al Gore's film! I said they can shove it!

I would be inclined to attend the film and use it as a platform to ask
why the company encourages car use by its staff which adds to the
problem rather than alternatives. Surely any responsible company will
introduce schemes to try to encourage its staff to use fewer cars given
Al Gore's conclusions.

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On 02/03/2007 12:54, Simon Mason said,

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Chemical site, so there is a ban on "sources of ignition". This includes
matches and lighters obviously, but any battery operated equipment should be
handed in to the gatehouse. Fair enough, but car drivers can take in car
keys, car keys with led torches on, car key ring torches, mobile phones,
personal organisers, Blackberries, Palm Pilots, laptops with exploding Li
ion power packs, Sat Navs etc etc. In their hundreds.

Ah - I see what you mean! Isn't a car itself rather a large source of
ignition? How many 10s of kilovolts courses through ignition leads
these days? Do the management insist that car electrical systems are
ATEX/BASEEFA approved? Do you get smokers huddling outside?

I can see why you were unhappy at having to hand in a bike light :-)

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Ah - I see what you mean! Isn't a car itself rather a large source of
ignition? How many 10s of kilovolts courses through ignition leads these
days? Do the management insist that car electrical systems are
ATEX/BASEEFA approved?

Exactly! How on earth do you get an intrinsically safe car? They even
stopped my dad (fire chief) when the place was on fire and got him to hand
in his cigar lighter, for heaven's sake. Cameras were banned by security,
but because they are fitted to mobiles, they've even fiddled the rules to
let these in now.

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I can see why you were unhappy at having to hand in a bike light :-)

I never did - I'd rather have had them nicked than be patronised like that.

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Simon Mason wrote on 02/03/2007 10:54 +0100:

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Last week a car had its tyres slashed, so what happens? Security are
sifting through hours of CCTV to see if the culprit can be found! The
nicked bike is ignored. Not only that we are having a HSSE week soon and
I have been told to attend Al Gore's film! I said they can shove it!

I would be inclined to attend the film and use it as a platform to ask why
the company encourages car use by its staff which adds to the problem
rather than alternatives. Surely any responsible company will introduce
schemes to try to encourage its staff to use fewer cars given Al Gore's
conclusions.

I'm really not bothered any more Tony. I've spent 6-7 years p***ing against
the wall and just got a reputation as an "obsessed" trouble causer. All I've
been saying to them is coming home to roost now as I knew it would and I can
sit back and smile.

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Simon Mason said:

When I finally forced it onto the agenda, they sent out a survey sitewide to
see if there was sufficient demand, but with the caveat that these Sheffield
stands were so expensive that other projects would suffer from lack of cash!
35 quid each!

So each one would pay for itself in two weeks in reductions the company
save in not providing car parking spaces.

I wonder if the real problem for them is that you don't drive to work,
being as they are an oil company.

Martin.

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Not only that we are having a HSSE week soon and I have been told
to attend Al Gore's film! I said they can shove it!

What's HSSE?

I've seen Al Gore's film, fascinating piece. Though TBH it's convinced
me there really is no point in doing anything "for the planet", anything
we do now really is rearranging the deckchairs on a sinking ship.

I'm hardly surprised that an oil firm is anti-bike though, the very last
thing they'd want to see would be a big switch from cars to bikes.

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Not only that we are having a HSSE week soon and I have been told
to attend Al Gore's film! I said they can shove it!

What's HSSE?

Health Safety Security Environment.

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Pyromancer said:

I'm hardly surprised that an oil firm is anti-bike though, the very last
thing they'd want to see would be a big switch from cars to bikes.

Oil companies invest a massive amount of money in recruiting, training, and
holding on to technical staff. Forecourt petrol sales account for only a
very small portion of their profits. It's more in their interest to keep
employees happy than to force them to drive.

I think this is a case of over-zealous enforcement of rules by idiots rather
than anything in a organised conspiracy vein.

Anthony

Paul Boyd said:

On 02/03/2007 12:54, Simon Mason said,

Ah - I see what you mean! Isn't a car itself rather a large source of
ignition? How many 10s of kilovolts courses through ignition leads
these days?

I might be wrong, but wasn't it a truck engine that was the ignition
source for the cloud of petrol vapour at Buncefield?

Not that it make much difference - I would imagine the vapour cloud
would seek hang around long enough to be ignited by anything it found.

John Hearns said:

I might be wrong, but wasn't it a truck engine that was the ignition
source for the cloud of petrol vapour at Buncefield?

Just Googled for this.
http://www.buncefieldinvestigation.gov.uk/reports/report3.pdf
Section 3.2, Ignition Sources
Looks like it was a generator house and a pump house which ignited.

But note:

51 Car engines are another potential source. A number of witnesses
describe how their cars began to run erratically. For at least one
vehicle in Three Cherry Trees Lane, the engine continued to race even
after the ignition had been turned off and the driver had left the vehicle

Paul Boyd said:

On 02/03/2007 12:54, Simon Mason said,

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Chemical site, so there is a ban on "sources of ignition".

Ah - I see what you mean! Isn't a car itself rather a large source of
ignition? How many 10s of kilovolts courses through ignition leads
these days?

My thoughts, when I found out that use of a cellphone on a petrol
station forecourt was illegal.

Junk science, anyone?

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:11:58 +0000 someone who may be Al C-F
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My thoughts, when I found out that use of a cellphone on a petrol
station forecourt was illegal.

Junk science, anyone?

Indeed.

One of the most ridiculous examples was the ban on mobile telephones
and the like in an ammunition depot. However, the MOD police saw no
double standards in them wandering around the place with large
radios (which were no different to the same models elsewhere).

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What's HSSE?

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Health Safety Security Environment.

Ta!

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What's HSSE?

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Health Safety Security Environment.

Ta!

We've been through various changes of management through the
years and one thing that constantly changes is the TLA for the
health & safety dept. We've had HSE, SHE and we're now on EHS.
One thing though, we've never had security included.
Probably a good thing. Security is good at work, the bike shed
is in the car park with a high fence, security cameras and
regular security patrols.

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